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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: eightyonerabbit on August 10, 2008, 05:56:58 pm

Title: please help!!
Post by: eightyonerabbit on August 10, 2008, 05:56:58 pm
my 1.6 n/a turbo wont start... itll turn over, its getting fuel, but it wont start... it does start by popping the clutch tho.. anyone have any ideas?? i dont think its the ignition switch or the starter...
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Post by: Dirtrag2 on August 10, 2008, 06:00:21 pm
did you check for air in the fuel line?
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Post by: jimfoo on August 10, 2008, 06:00:55 pm
Glowplugs, power to glowplugs, low compression, air in fuel line...
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Post by: eightyonerabbit on August 10, 2008, 06:01:59 pm
glow plugs are working, fuel line is air free...  :(
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Post by: jimfoo on August 10, 2008, 06:03:48 pm
Timing could be off too.
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Post by: eightyonerabbit on August 10, 2008, 06:04:45 pm
well it runs fine once it starts... could timing still be the issue??
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Post by: jimfoo on August 10, 2008, 06:08:03 pm
depends on how it runs. Low compression would by my main guess if it doesn't smoke much, has no air in the lines and the glowplugs get hot.
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Post by: Vincent Waldon on August 10, 2008, 06:26:21 pm
2X... or a weak starter / electrical issues that are preventing the engine from turning over fast enough to generate enough heat.

One other thought:  you've confirmed all 4 glowplugs are getting nice and cherry red ??
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Post by: eightyonerabbit on August 11, 2008, 08:50:06 am
just checked the glow plugs, and the light in the dash comes on, but when i checked the actual plugs with a test light, i was getting to voltage on any of them or on the buss bar...
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Post by: zukgod1 on August 11, 2008, 09:19:22 am
Quote from: "eightyonerabbit"
just checked the glow plugs, and the light in the dash comes on, but when i checked the actual plugs with a test light, i was getting to voltage on any of them or on the buss bar...



Huh?

Do you mean you were NOT getting voltage at the bus bar?

There is a fuse (I think) on the fire wall, follow the wire from the bus bar to the fire wall, there is a little black box with a fuse in it. It's not on all cars from what I gather but maybe on yours.
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Post by: Vincent Waldon on August 11, 2008, 10:12:34 am
Quote from: "eightyonerabbit"
just checked the glow plugs, and the light in the dash comes on, but when i checked the actual plugs with a test light, i was getting to voltage on any of them or on the buss bar...


Yeah, thats why I asked... the light on the dash has almost nothing to do with the glowplugs actually engaging.

You'll want to work your way back... fuse on the firewall, relay on the fuse panel, temp sensor on the coolant flange.
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Post by: subsonic on August 11, 2008, 10:17:12 am
Time for a new Fusable Link.  They are cheap, but a bit of a pain to find.  Buy 3.
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Post by: eightyonerabbit on August 12, 2008, 12:09:45 pm
Quote from: "subsonic"
Time for a new Fusable Link.  They are cheap, but a bit of a pain to find.  Buy 3.


i bought one from autozone... not the same kind, but it is 50A, and it works, but that still didnt fix my problem... i got a brand new battery, power to the glow plugs, the starter is turning over, its getting fuel, now it wont even start by popping... im beginning to think i might have some piston ring issues... if thats the case, im just gonna take off every part that is of value and get rid of the car...
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Post by: jtanguay on August 12, 2008, 01:07:27 pm
try brake parts cleaner before scrapping it (get someone to spray it in as you crank)... then you know you have some blown glowplugs...
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Post by: burn_your_money on August 12, 2008, 03:36:42 pm
WD-40 if you are going to spray anything.

Do a voltage drop test to make sure that your wires are still in good shape going to/from the starter.
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Post by: Smokey Eddy on August 13, 2008, 09:16:17 pm
mine has the same issue. The pump needs to be retimed with all the internals and some worn parts changed. Also, the injectors need to be properly lapped and shimmed and pop tested.

pop testing is pretty cheap (maybe 100$ for all 4 at a  friendly injection shop)
the pump retiming however is hard to come by. Most people ship their pump off to someone like Giles or Prothe