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Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: myke_w on July 28, 2008, 02:43:53 pm: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block? (Make it a TD block)

What would such a service be worth to you?
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: zukgod1 on July 28, 2008, 03:20:56 pm: $100.00 maybe?
I paid $100.00 to have a head machined out for larger pre cups so...

Guess it depends on how bad I needed a TD block at the time.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: myke_w on July 28, 2008, 03:28:20 pm: I'm researching the feasibility of this. It kind of all depends on how many used squirters I can round up though.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: subsonic on July 28, 2008, 05:31:25 pm: Perhaps since you allready offer one of the better deal on pistons, you could offer them with a ceramic coating option. I think you could achieve the same results as you would by installing oil squirters, but with much less work. Keeping the pistons running cooler.
Just a thought.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: myke_w on July 28, 2008, 05:46:14 pm: Not a bad idea at all, but I know a lot of folks that would require squirters, especially old school people. I'd personally be more likely to get TD pistons ceramic coated AND use squirters.

I was just thinking of all the trouble I go through to get TD blocks and assume other folks do the same...

Honestly - I have my machinist working on the design for the jig right now and had hoped to scare up some interest before we went the full monty and sank big money into making the setup.

8) 8)
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: subsonic on July 28, 2008, 06:01:44 pm: So people would ship the blocks to you, or will you have a quantity on hand? Shipping a block adds to the price quickly. I think if you were not going super high boost, you could get by with CCing NA pistons, which are cheaper I think. If the high heat does not get into the piston, the oil bath from the squirters would not be as crucial to pull it out. But you are right, Having both IS nice.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: FWD.MOTION on July 28, 2008, 08:39:54 pm: few questions regarding N/A and TD

are the pistons the same, size meterial and so on?

as for the post above...What do you mean by CC'ing? mesurement or do you mean machine some off the top of the piston?

Can someone get away with 1400 degrees EGT or so without td oil squirters?
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: myke_w on July 28, 2008, 10:57:00 pm: The way I thought it would work was that I could send the buyer a fedex label, they could box up the bare block, drop it at fedex, I'd charge actual shipping both ways.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: myke_w on July 28, 2008, 10:59:52 pm: Quote from: "FWD.MOTION"
few questions regarding N/A and TD

are the pistons the same, size meterial and so on?

as for the post above...What do you mean by CC'ing? mesurement or do you mean machine some off the top of the piston?

Can someone get away with 1400 degrees EGT or so without td oil squirters?

pistons are not the same, td are cut out to clear the squirters, tops are coated for heat resistance

CC'ing is ceramic coating.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: Turbinepowered on July 28, 2008, 11:04:12 pm: Quote from: "myke_w"
The way I thought it would work was that I could send the buyer a fedex label, they could box up the bare block, drop it at fedex, I'd charge actual shipping both ways.

They might mandate a pallet for something that hefty.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: myke_w on July 28, 2008, 11:07:11 pm: actually fedex does freight up to 150lb - blocks weigh under 100 bare...

I would be shipping them totally bare btw :wink:
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: zukgod1 on July 29, 2008, 12:55:41 am: I think it's a good idea if you can keep the price down,
Heck I think I have 3 NA blocks and 2 TD blocks here now. Would be nice to be able to convert the NA to TD if I need one.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: Kudagra on July 29, 2008, 12:59:00 am: Quote from: "myke_w"
actually fedex does freight up to 150lb - blocks weigh under 100 bare...

I would be shipping them totally bare btw :wink:

Well since you are in the US it would be a sweet option for us locals. Id probably pay about the same price as getting a set of pistons coated since that would be your primary competition. I think when I had mine done at Calico coatings it was $40/piston+ shipping (less then $20 for my pistons and bearings) so you are looking at about $180 shipped + parts of course.

I dont know if thats what you are shooting for but Id say about $150 labor. Fairly cheap really when you think about the benefits.

BTW Yes I have coated piston tops and skirts along with oil squirters in an MF block. Is there any way to have the squirters squirt MORE to help keep the pistons cooler?
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: lord_verminaard on July 30, 2008, 11:34:11 am: I also think it's a great idea. And $100-150 for the service sounds reasonable. It's nigh impossible to find a TD engine in the states anymore.

Brendan
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: burn_your_money on July 30, 2008, 01:19:47 pm: easiest way I've found to ship a block is to go to walmart and get one of those rubbermaid totes and throw it in there :wink:
Title: squirter source....??
Post by: jimbote on August 01, 2008, 05:15:18 am: I've heard that the 2.0 gasser blocks from the 93 to 95 jetta/golf had oil squirters....can't confirm this but it may be a source for piston squirters....
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: jackbombay on August 01, 2008, 11:44:57 am: If you go to turbobricks.com and look in the performance forum there is a thread title "squiterizational mod" or something like that, a guy there ships around the tools needed to convert a non squirter Volvo gasser block into a squirter. I'm not totally familiar with how the squirters are set up in the VW TD, but it might be easier to put together a kit like the one on Turbobricks.

Edit- Link to thread in question ---> http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=115422
Title: Re: squirter source....??
Post by: myke_w on August 01, 2008, 12:08:04 pm: Quote from: "jimbote"
I've heard that the 2.0 gasser blocks from the 93 to 95 jetta/golf had oil squirters....can't confirm this but it may be a source for piston squirters....

That is true. I think all aba motors and all 16v motors have them.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: myke_w on August 01, 2008, 12:09:24 pm: Quote from: "jackbombay"
If you go to turbobricks.com and look in the performance forum there is a thread title "squiterizational mod" or something like that, a guy there ships around the tools needed to convert a non squirter Volvo gasser block into a squirter. I'm not totally familiar with how the squirters are set up in the VW TD, but it might be easier to put together a kit like the one on Turbobricks.

Edit- Link to thread in question ---> http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=115422

I've seen that, but I was trying for OE style squirters and the OE face cut angle... They are using a newer style squirter with banjo bolts... I'd prefer to retain the original design.
Title: Re: squirter source....??
Post by: VW_Commuter on August 01, 2008, 12:13:34 pm: Quote from: "myke_w"
That is true. I think all aba motors and all 16v motors have them.

I previously had an '88 Scirocco 16V and I know the 1.8L 16V motors had them.
Title: im in
Post by: FWD.MOTION on August 02, 2008, 09:02:06 am: I have a 1.5L N/A that I would be interested in getting this done to...what's the final verdict and when to send>?

Im in
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: myke_w on August 05, 2008, 09:41:47 am: I am still in the planning phase of this. I need to figure out what's the most economical and desirable way to do this.

I guess I'm open to modding blocks to use this kind of squirter, it would be cheaper, but it's not like stock. No sure if anybody cares? Any body feel strongly either way?

(http://www.rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/gal/Volvo_Rods__Pistons_Squirterizational_Mods/Squirterizationalized_Redblock07.JPG)
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: myke_w on August 05, 2008, 09:53:06 am: Quote from: "Kudagra"
Is there any way to have the squirters squirt MORE to help keep the pistons cooler?

I'm not sure, I'd guess a squirter with a bigger ball and passage would do it. You may want a high volume oil pump at that point to avoid losing too much pressure, an oil pressure gauge would be a must IMO. IIRC the squirters are open at 20psi +. Perhaps I can find a bigger squirter that is a banjo mount and work on that design?
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: zukgod1 on August 05, 2008, 10:36:55 am: Quote from: "myke_w"
I am still in the planning phase of this. I need to figure out what's the most economical and desirable way to do this.

I guess I'm open to modding blocks to use this kind of squirter, it would be cheaper, but it's not like stock. No sure if anybody cares? Any body feel strongly either way?

(http://www.rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/gal/Volvo_Rods__Pistons_Squirterizational_Mods/Squirterizationalized_Redblock07.JPG)

I don't see a problem with this design Myke.

As a matter a fact i like the idea that it looks simple thus keeping the cost down.
Title: Would you pay to add squirters to your NA block?
Post by: FWD.MOTION on August 07, 2008, 10:36:01 pm: if someone was to send you a block like that and get you to add squirters there like that one in the photo what kinda labour are you looking for?

shippings going to be a botch