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General Information => General => Topic started by: spencebm on July 22, 2008, 08:35:21 am
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i bought a 1.9 aaz injector pump from this guy to be rebuild, he charged me 145 dollars for a junk pump that was rusted solid when i got it from him. he said it came off a running engine and it has been at the pump rebuilder for the entire summer with internal problems and rpm hanging. dont ever buy anything from this crook. i should have just called Giles, it will cost 1000 dollars after everything is figured out even if that happens...anyone want to go hunting in canada?
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Well that sucks.
He hasnt posted for damn near a year.
When did you buy the pump?
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What did he say when you tried to work it out with him?
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i got the pump a few months ago and he hasn't responded to my message yet
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RE: dieselrules
He, she or it is posting on VW Vortex
Canadian Classifieds. Most recent post
was Monday, July 21st, two days ago.
Try to get hold of him/her over there.
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thanks ill try
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i bought a 1.9 aaz injector pump from this guy to be rebuild, he charged me 145 dollars for a junk pump that was rusted solid when i got it from him. he said it came off a running engine and it has been at the pump rebuilder for the entire summer with internal problems and rpm hanging. dont ever buy anything from this crook. i should have just called Giles, it will cost 1000 dollars after everything is figured out even if that happens...anyone want to go hunting in canada?
You wanna go hunting?? Bring it!!!!!! You have my address from the box that I sent you the pump in.
How the HELL you have the nerve to call me a Crook? I sent you a pump that came off of a complete motor and was sitting on a shelf for quite some time. Do you seriously think that I would try and scam someone for $145??? Why has it been so long since you received the pump, before you start to accuse me of something?
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Well, that degenerated quickly. Nice to see level heads are working the problem out :roll:
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Guess we're seeing someones true colours here... :?
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jeesshh, thats some good public relations right there...
but, a pump being rebuilt for a whole summer?? how many work hours is that?
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Perhaps in the future we members should try and refrain from posting comments like we are going to go hunting someone. I can understand being pissed, but it just leads to return comments such as bring it on. Now you have a public street fight. Not good for either party.
Sounds like Dieselrules asked some valid questions, why wait so long to contact him about a faulty part.
Spence has a right to be frustrated if he has been trying to contact Dieselrules for months to no avail.
Now that the two of you are "talking" :wink: perhaps you will be able to work it out.
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This is the second time this guy has came out swinging!!!
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13715
I will not put up with his $hit, how do I know that after 3 months he's not trying to get an extra pump off of me? Who even took the pump apart to build it?
He messaged me 7 minutes before putting up this thread, obvious he wasn't going to wait for a response.
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Of course the link in that thread does put your reputation up for question with reference to bad trannys and missing parts. But then again who knows what will happen to an IP drained for shipping, then sitting around for a bit. But cyber yelling isn't going to get either of you anywhere.
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I have a lot to say. First of all the pump had this problem as soon as I took it into the professional rebuilders at CRAIGVILLE DIESEL INJECTION SERVICE in Craigville, IN. and they said they might be able to figure out the internal problems but it hasn't worked out. I have had the pump on and off my car already once and driven hours back and forth to the pump rebuilder. It has already cost 500 dollars for the labor so far and it isn't even close to being done.
Secondly, I did not try to contact him until recently about it and he did respond quickly.
Third. The pump was said to come off a running car and when it got to my house it was a rusty chunk of metal and was stuck. No fuel would go through it and I work on it for a while just to think that it was possible to be rebuilt. He sent me a junk pump and I appologize for the hunting comment but this should have never happened in the first place. I just want a pump that I can rebuild because my other one was leaking bad. Dieselrules: lets hear the truth for once...
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I'll leave this unlocked for now, but please take it to IMs guys.
Hopefully you both can get this resolved
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what do you expect for $145??? i would expect a core pump, and nothing more. you should have asked him to leave the pump full and not ship it 'dry'. although many carriers (if not all) will probably not allow for that...
he didn't tell you the history of the pump either. it might have been run with veggie or a combination of diesel/veggy which would give the same problems. just ask Giles what a pump looks like when its been run with veggie for a while. (improperly cleaned veggie)
what you should have done was planned to have the pump sent to Giles, and then get it done right the first time. or if you dont have the cash, buy the seal kit & tool from dieselvw.com then crack open the pump using the thread in the FAQ and clean the pump out yourself.
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I have to agree with jtanguay. I've bought the entire seal kit and tool for that funky 3-flat bolt and plan to clean/reseal/replace camplate on my new to me Jetta's injection pump.
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that information isn't helpful at all, you guys didn't read anything that I wrote. A core is a pump that hasn't been sitting in permafrost for 10 years and can be rebuilt. tell me something i don't already know. you guys just have too much money to throw around sending it to Giles.
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Well you know what they say about pictures....
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Well you know what they say about pictures....
Yeppers
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So you brought your pump to the injection shop. Did you ask them to rebuild it, reseal it, or just get it funtional?
What have they done for repairs on it for 500 clams? What have they replaced, and what do they say is currently wrong with it?
What is it doing or not doing?
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So you brought your pump to the injection shop. Did you ask them to rebuild it, reseal it, or just get it funtional?
What have they done for repairs on it for 500 clams? What have they replaced, and what do they say is currently wrong with it?
What is it doing or not doing?
total rebuild obviously. they have everything working right except the rpm hangs when you rev it. they think some of the internal fuel metering is stuck. they gave it back and i had to install and time it and i discovered this. they are now shipping it away to be looked at by someone else. mucho time and money will be put into this. that is all i know.
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Well, for what is it worth. My local Bosch authorized (in business a long time....no competition locally) pump rebuilder wants $525 to do a rebuild on a pump which is still working (N/A 9 mm pump) and leaking.
I agree, prices are a *** nowdays. Make sure we continue the trend with McCain!!!!!!
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So you brought your pump to the injection shop. Did you ask them to rebuild it, reseal it, or just get it funtional?
What have they done for repairs on it for 500 clams? What have they replaced, and what do they say is currently wrong with it?
What is it doing or not doing?
total rebuild obviously. they have everything working right except the rpm hangs when you rev it. they think some of the internal fuel metering is stuck. they gave it back and i had to install and time it and i discovered this. they are now shipping it away to be looked at by someone else. mucho time and money will be put into this. that is all i know.
Sorry it was not obvious, thats why I asked :roll: .
Anyway, if it was me, and a injection shop charged me 500 for a total rebuild, and it came back to me not working properly, that would be their responsibility. They are the professionals, thats why you paid them. Don't know what kind of deal you have going about the repair, but I would want a set price up front. You pay, they rebuild, pump works or they keep working on it until it does. Either way, it really does not sound like the sellers fault. If I sold a pump to someone as a core, and they brought it to a shop and it was torn apart and rebuilt and then did not function properly, I would have a very hard time taking it back. Too many variables in play.
Just my .02 cents.
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why would i pay for a pump that couldn't be rebuilt, that is ridiculous. i would not sell someone a pump unless i was sure to be working right and if he didn't know then why wouldn't i get refunded? shady. I don't need any more crap from anyone, i just want a pump that isn't sh*&.
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If you read the FS post about the pump, it sounded perfectly fine, coming from a car that had a TB failure. The main problem is that SpenceBM didn't say anything about it for way to long. If it was rusty or wouldn't turn when I got it, I would have said something immediately. So that kind of is what is causing controversy on your side spencebm. But I will agree with you that in the add, the pump sounded like it needed absolutely no work and was ready to go.
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i got everything to work well enough to take it to the pump rebuilder. it was impossible for me to know internal problems until when they were discovered recently
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it seems your pump rebuilder is not technically capable of doing his job..
why did you have all the work to put it back on the car to find out the "rpm hangs"?? it would show immediately on the test bench...
if it had more than a couple of hours of work on it, nothing should be stuck.
or your rebuilder is only capable to repair something that isn't broken?
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it seems your pump rebuilder is not technically capable of doing his job..
why did you have all the work to put it back on the car to find out the "rpm hangs"?? it would show immediately on the test bench...
if it had more than a couple of hours of work on it, nothing should be stuck.
or your rebuilder is only capable to repair something that isn't broken?
i guess the VE pump manual for rebuilding says to run it at idle and full rpm to test it and he has rebuilt pumps for my family before and done a good job. i dont think it is his fault, he is trying really hard it is just something is hurt internally in the pump that he can't figure out. he has been rebuilding VE pumps for a long time. i still think this is a faulty part that i have received or the rebuilder would already have had it back to me again. every hour that it is worked on there is costing me lots of money. i need useful information, not bickering. thanks for your input everyone, though.
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What exactly has been done to the pump for it's rebuild. Was it run on a test machine?
What are the indicators for the problem, whats it doing. What rpm etc...
What do you have the fuel screw, idle set at etc.
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What exactly has been done to the pump for it's rebuild. Was it run on a test machine?
What are the indicators for the problem, whats it doing. What rpm etc...
What do you have the fuel screw, idle set at etc.
ask the guy that sold it to me. when i got it back the first time i am assuming that it was set to factory spec by the rebuilder. everything is set to stock. when i had it on the car and timed we ran it and it hung whenever it was revved. it would not return back to idle immediately like it should. that is the only problem and i believe it is because of the age and the pump setting when i was not told this to begin with. all i was told when i wanted to know the history of the pump was that it came from a running car and that is pretty vague and misleading if you ask me.
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What exactly has been done to the pump for it's rebuild. Was it run on a test machine?
What are the indicators for the problem, whats it doing. What rpm etc...
What do you have the fuel screw, idle set at etc.
ask the guy that sold it to me. when i got it back the first time i am assuming that it was set to factory spec by the rebuilder. everything is set to stock. when i had it on the car and timed we ran it and it hung whenever it was revved. it would not return back to idle immediately like it should. that is the only problem and i believe it is because of the age and the pump setting when i was not told this to begin with. all i was told when i wanted to know the history of the pump was that it came from a running car and that is pretty vague and misleading if you ask me.
No, I asked you, because I was trying to help you. I don't give a damn about your pissing contest.
So in the intrest of trying to help diagnose the problem, it would be helpful to know what your builder has done to the pump. Were any hard parts replaced? What was worn? Did he discover any internal damage? Did he run the pump on a test machine after he performed his work? etc, etc , etc.... If you do not have this information then ask. It will help you diagnose the problem.
Now for the pump on the car. Where does it hang? Coming off redline, 2000rpm, or is it everytime you blip the throttle ?.
I think you will find that if you post a detailed discription in the trouble shooting section you will get some very good help from members who have a large clue bag on pumps. If you are going to go around in circles you are just wasting your time.
Decide what you want this post to be.
This may offer some insite into your problem.
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=11533&highlight=hanging+revs
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the rpm hanging could be just that the fuel is set up too high. take any pump and then increase the fueling enough and it will hang. maybe the pump builder doesn't know the vw pump specs to set it to factory???
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Not to sound stupid but every now and then the return springs on top of my IP get gunky and it hangs for a bit, sometimes the rpm will stay high till I blip the go pedal. The first time was within a 1000 miles after it was rebuilt.
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Have you checked your injectors?
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Ok so dieselrules is shady.
My question is..
If the pump you got from him looked like it was stored with the Titanic why didnt you just have your original (and leaking) pump rebuilt and send the rusty one back and get your money from Paypal?
FWIW my local Bosch pump dealer wanted 325 to rebuild mine 3 years ago. I instead opted to have Giles rebuild mine because I wanted it RIGHT. Now Im sure the local guys would do fine...for stock..but I didnt want stock. So I saved my pennies and had it DONE with no questions or worries.
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and the fact that a dry pump sitting on a shelf for even a few months will have corrosion... maybe if the pump was stored with some care (some fluid inside like atf, and all orifices sealed properly) it won't be so bad... the inside starts to get pitted.
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the injectors are another story, i can deal with them after i get my pump back. my leaking pump was a dumb non turbo pump with the anoroid that took fuel away so i didnt want to use that one. i had no choice. if i could take back what i did then i would