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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: shrekaddy on May 28, 2008, 05:18:29 pm
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after driving round for 3 months with my aaz doing 20 mpg and smoking like a train and bearley starting from cold i have seen light at the end of the tunnle
i had my pump timing set by ( a diesel specialist lol ) wat a joke i just assumed it was right how wrong could i be
i had done the gov mod on saturday and wound the boost out a bit with nothing but more crap smoke
so i bought a dti gauge and set to it my self and soon realised that mr diesel was not so clever after all he had set the pump to 0.6 so i set the pump to 1 mm and turned the key
holy crap for the first time ever my aaz started with no glow plugs and no throttle and then i looked at the back and no white smoke at last i can see light and then came the test drive . wat had i done was i driving a different car it flys now and i cant wipe the smile from my face
so i now think it should be law that every diesel owner should also own a dti and learn how to use it its not hard to do and the gauge is not to dear and you can no you have got it right
i now leave a lovely black smoke trail so time for some more mods
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i agree
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And where would one get a dti?
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sorry...bit of a newbie to the diesels, but what does a dti do? and where do you get them?? :lol:
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a DTI or dial test indicator, is used for setting the pump timing on our diesels. theres a good number of places that sell them and a simple must if your going to do your own timing belt or fuel pump work.
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My dti gauge is made by laser i bought it really cheap from work because they had had it stock for ages but you should be able to buy one from any motor factor that sells tools ie euro car parts
and learning to use them is easy i just followed instructions from a haynes diesel engine book that i have its
it a half hour process that can turn your engine round
LIKE I SAID IT SHOULD BE LAW
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My dti gauge is made by laser i bought it really cheap from work because they had had it stock for ages but you should be able to buy one from any motor factor that sells tools ie euro car parts
and learning to use them is easy i just followed instructions from a haynes diesel engine book that i have its
it a half hour process that can turn your engine round
LIKE I SAID IT SHOULD BE LAW
Hi Shrekaddy ,
where did you get the diesel manual from , and what manual number is it my friend. Seen your posts on caddy forum
Cheers Kirk :D
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I disagree.
Click (http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26994)
I think every owner should own a Diesel pulse adapter and a good timing light.
:lol:
But DTI's are alright... 8)
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HI BADERSBUS
again i got it from work (i work in a motor factors ) its the haynes diesel engine book no. 4174 i normally burn haynes manuals because there normally full of rubbish but because i have always owned and worked on petrol engines ( can i say petrol on here lol ) i have found it really use full there is a fair bit of info on bosh ve pumps in there and even some very very basic explinations on how a diesel works its worth the £12 just for the simple instructions
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MR brick yard
talk to me lol i have heard of a pulse adapter but know nothing about them how do they work are they expensive and can i get one from sealey or laser because i have direct accounts with each at work
and wear do they pick up the pulse from ?????????
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Where can I get a Diesel Pulse Adapter?
I WANT!!!!!
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I got mine off eBay.
Andrew
I've been looking for one for ages, I gues I'll have to make my own some day.
I looked in ebay and found nothing, can you shed some light?
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ah thats very smart, this would also help with sitting the timing on cars with different injector pop pressures than stock
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I'd say.
If anyone stumbles across one post a link please?
I cant get to E Bay at work..
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Not exactly cheap...
http://www.gxtinc.com/itempage.asp?ItemID=V765-01
Really Cheap....?
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-other-Diesel-Timing-Light-Adapters-Fox-Valley-W0QQAdIdZ37442675
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Haha, I used a POS plastic vernier caliper and a scrap of wire.... 1.00mm I think it was.
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therss one on ebay right now
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap-On-MT257-Diesel-Pulse-Adaptor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43989QQihZ017QQitemZ270241909198QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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i like the idea of using this device. getting the engine timed to the actual injection is way superior imo. wonder if there would be a way to adapt one to test each injector and see if one is opening at the wrong time or whatever.
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I don't see why you couldn't do it to each injector as a test of the injector. Like if its slow or faster then others. Kinda would tell variance in pop pressures.
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I have searched for a topic discussing the delivery valves, but the search engine returns almost every thread available...
I read on the 1.5D SAE paper that they were crucial to lowering the harsh noise of the diesel.
as I see them, they are only check valves with a set pressure for opening.
what are the effects of rising o lowering that pressure?
there is a video on youtube showing a merc working without them, real crappy, as expected, instead of a pulse, the injectors get a much longer flow, but without that sharp rising of pressure.
I guess we want them to open at the maximum pressure possible, but not as high that can cause damage to the IP
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therss one on ebay right now
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap-On-MT257-Diesel-Pulse-Adaptor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43989QQihZ017QQitemZ270241909198QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
My Precious! Mine, mine, all mine!!! :lol:
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therss one on ebay right now
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap-On-MT257-Diesel-Pulse-Adaptor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43989QQihZ017QQitemZ270241909198QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
My Precious! Mine, mine, all mine!!! :lol:
haha atleast its going to somone we all know. buy it now eh....lol
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Yeah, there are idiots out there who place a bid, then push the price way over the buy it now price. I don't see timing adapters on there very often, and usually they are much more. Just hope it works, though I could probably fix it if it doesn't as I have an electronics background.
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ah inline pumps then :D
I was referring to the valves witch are attached to the head, the ones the high pressure lines attach to. (on a VE or VP pump)
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Snap on sell one, but it's not CE approved so they don't sell it here in the UK, although they will sell it in the US, but they won't export it!
Mac tools make one, similar if not the same as the Snap on one.
I bought mine from InternationalTools in the UK, I think it's a Ferret 765 or something.
Not cheap, but in my line of work it will be worth it to have happy customers as it will speed up diagnostic time.
http://www.international-tool.co.uk/products/product.asp?id=3583
Im sure you will be able to get those cheaper in the US.
I will warn you, the Snap on one I have used in the past and the brand new one I have purchased, well, they are a little finiky, you have to clean the injector line up with some fine emery and sometimes just hold the Piezo clamp with one hand and use the timing light with the other, but I would rather that than nothing at all.
If you read my link, the adapter has already paid for itself in my eyes as it has saved me from either taking it to a Diesel specialist, or a pissed off customer, luckily customer watched over me and seemed happy that I had got to the bottom of his issues.
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http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=78287&group_ID=1318&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
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Just a quick question about the ferret one. It talks about a 6mm line adapter? Do we need that for our vw's? or will be we fine with the 1/4 inch (6.35mm) one that it comes with??? thanks!
i found a cheap one that ships to Canada :) but with UPS the price will balance out :evil:
http://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=FERV765-01
here's the one with the 6.0mm clamp
http://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=FERV765-03
the clamps themselves are $80!!!! i want to buy one of these right away
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Jimfoo got a good price on his adapter,... $80 and free shipping.
I thought those had battery clips for the 12 volt car battery, looks like they are using an internal battery now.
I have the ferret 765,... got it on ebay with the 1/4" sensor.
It worked for awhile, then I asked a friend to clean up the fuel line with some sandpaper. I put it on the line and tightned down but couldn't get a signal, then I saw the crap crumbling from underneath. He only sanded the visible area on top.
I had tightened it so much trying to get it to work that the little plastic cap on the screw broke.
Couldn't get it to work again until lately.
I put it on the line and noticed it was clamped down on itself. I sanded the edge so when clamped on the line the sensor didn't clamp down on itself, it now clamps on the line and works great.
I did this after reading on here that 1/4" is a little bigger than 6mm.
The '84 Rabbit diesel flywheels I've seen have the timing degrees stamped into them.
As far as having a dial gauge, it's nice to record the setting where it runs best.
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hmmm so the 1/4 works good. good to know. but if the lines are 6mm then might as well get that one :)
i was eyeballing the one jimfoo got, but lately some of the stuff i've bought from ebay is junk. not too happy about that. us Canadians always get hosed with shipping... so much for free trade? eh? :roll:
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Also don't forget Tiny Tach has 6 mm ones for $35