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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: numbnuts on March 30, 2008, 12:17:06 pm
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Hi, just got hold of a mk3 golf TD with what i presume is an AAZ, its a 96 btw. The pull leaves alot to be desired, seems like alot of difference from my last mk2 gtd. So i was wondering what turbos are u guys running? What are they off? and what other parts do ui need to fit aswell? Nothing too pricey though :lol:
Thanks Joel
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The AAZ is flat as a fart bert,put a rover 220TD aneroid pin in ASAP this will help to be honest,im using a garrett T3 off a 1.6 TD mk2 golf,goes like stink to be honest,ive only swapped the pin,NO other mods at all.
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/citigolf_2006/Picture028.jpg)
Bert
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no adjusting to fuel?
did you do the pin yourself?
does the pin just alow more fuel when in boost???
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the pintakes like 30 seconds to change, its only 4 screws.
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HIya Bert, i remember u said before about that pin, i will have to look out for 1 in a scrappy, but i don't have much time on my hands atm :roll:
Will i need the manifold aswell or will it fit onto the AAZ? Any other bits?
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I'm using a T3 and a Giles pump :D :shock: :D
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this may be already up here somewher but can i damage my pump at all by doinbg this mod (pin) or make the pump not last as long?
may be a dumb question but i have no idea..
it also says you get better fuel millage..i dont get it more fuel= beter millage?? got me!!!!
thanks for the help
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hmm, is there anyone over here in the uk that can rebuild the pumps like giles does? :?
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Hi,i have not touched the fuel screw,the governor springs,nothing exept the aneroid pin,took 3 mins to swap,look at the top of the pump the 4 screws come out,the pin pulls out with the diaphram,leave the spring where it is,slide the rover 220Td pin in,4 screws and off you go,i took a diesel lover for a spin and it scared him :lol: he was amazed how a 1.9TD can go so quick :twisted: And it dont adjust the off boost fueling either (rover pin ground equal not offset so just put it in)
Bert
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Joel,i used the 1.6TD manifold aswell,just bolts on,i used the 1.9 inlet manifold as no blow off valve required :roll: had to cut a little piece of alloy off the manifold for the turbo to fit as its bigger.
it is a great car now,just lowered the back as it was way high :?
from this
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/citigolf_2006/ebay05018.jpg)
to this
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/citigolf_2006/Picture030.jpg)
Bert
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Just thought, there is that viking rover spares just down the road from me :lol:
Will have to pay them a visit :twisted:
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yes viking,you need about an N reg rover 220 or 420 TD with the bosch pump,the later were fly by wire :(
Bert
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Bert, do u need any mk1 bits as i am clearing out the garage at the mo. What brakes are u running? I have the gti stuff if u need it and also a nicwe intercooler that i am sure would fit infront of the rad u have. It was to small in the gtd
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what you want for the bits? what you got? ive got 2 mk1 golfs so spares always hoarded :wink: i need an intercooler really too,what car you got i cant remember?
we need to meet up when its taxed in may and i take you for a rasp :twisted:
Bert
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THe parts were off the mk1 gti 1.8, now nearly a 16v g60 with 6 speed :twisted: I forget what the intercooler is off i bought it ages ago but i think it'll fit. What rad are u running? I seem to remember the intercooler fit infront of the 16v rad i was gonna use, so if its not wider than that 8)
Also have a spare gtd gearbox and might be able to scrape together the inkage needed to convert a 4 speed to 5 8)
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you can also just grind the fuel pin ... it's a very popular mod with the older dodges with cummins that use the ve pump .....
check out this thread , about 1/2 way down .
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13182&highlight=
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So its the 1.6 td T3 i should be looking out for then?
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So its the 1.6 td T3 i should be looking out for then?
Yessir, that's the one.
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You can also find a k24 from a mk2. They are a bit better than the T3 at higher boosts.
I am custom fitting a GT1749 to my 2.1 AAZ engine. Will post any feedback here when it's running.
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You can also find a k24 from a mk2. They are a bit better than the T3 at higher boosts.
Beg to differ here. I tried em both and the T3 is the answer. Now to button down the hatches for the innevitable flamers. :roll:
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i just gots a k24 and intalling it in the next couple days! what wrong with the k24 i heard its an awsome turbo perfect size spools up good and has good boost
whats the diffenence between the 2?
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They are practically the same, they are both very good at handling high pressure. If both were to be pushed to the limit, the T3 usually breaks down just a bit faster. However, not many take it that close to the limit. :wink:
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the garrett parts are easier to get hold of...........
my garrett T3 is an amazing piece of kit,well pleased with the spool up and the boost :wink:
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the T3 isnt the same triangular flange as the the aaz K03 is it>>>
i went and got a k24 b/c i could find any good turbo to direct bolt
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Which car/engine were the following turbos originally fitted on?
K03
K14
Garrett T3
K24??
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Which car/engine were the following turbos originally fitted on?
K03
K14
Garrett T3
K24??
In France
K03 -> AHU, possibly 1Z (1900 TDI) (1)
K14 -> two models - small (2) on RA/SB (1600 TD 80 ch) - larger on AAZ (1900 TD)
Garrett T3 -> JR (1600 TD 70 ch)
K24 -> JR and similar (1600 TD 70 ch) engine on Mk1
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(1) Only the K03 and the GT15 turbos seem to have that triangular "bolting pattern" - on the exhaust manifold, while the other turbos above seem to have the same (T3-like) bolting pattern
(2) The "small" K14 appeared to be (sometimes) replaced by a T2 - same as K24/T3 - note : there seem to be more T3 and K14 here
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Thanks for the info ross!!!
So which turbo will i have on my cars??
MKII, 1989, 1.6TD.. Engine MF.
MKIII, 1996, 1.9TD.. Engine AAZ.
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You're welcome, but I do not know anything about the MF engine (only JR & RA/SB). How many Hp(ch) is it ?
80 ch is either equipped with a T2 or K14 - most likely watercooled, otherwise that is T3/K24 - normally. If it is 1989 it is probably a JR - with a T3. Is the turbo a Garrett ?
... and, er ... I thought that was written above: the AAZ is normally equipped with the larger - oilcooled - K14.
As far as I know all that is written on the turbos - but the nature of the cooling ... of course
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Later AAZ engines can also have a k03 turbo. Usually combined with an EGR system.
At least in Europe this is.
RA/SB engines can have a non-watercooled turbo as well. This is mostly the k14 I believe. Haven't seen them with the bigger k24 / T3 turbo's yet.
Watercooled turbos are the k14/6 and the garret T2.
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John its a 70 hp engine... and the turbo is by KKK
You're welcome, but I do not know anything about the MF engine (only JR & RA/SB). How many Hp(ch) is it ?
80 ch is either equipped with a T2 or K14 - most likely watercooled, otherwise that is T3/K24 - normally. If it is 1989 it is probably a JR - with a T3. Is the turbo a Garrett ?
... and, er ... I thought that was written above: the AAZ is normally equipped with the larger - oilcooled - K14.
As far as I know all that is written on the turbos - but the nature of the cooling ... of course
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This is whats written on the compressor side of my MF engine turbo.
36W
KKK (in a triangle format)
5342 101 50 (99 is written in a circle it might be the serial number or sumthing)
So what turbo do i have?
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Hi Torchd
John its a 70 hp engine... and the turbo is by KKK
My first name is "Christophe" - sorry. John Ross was just an evocation of the JR reference of some IDI engine ...
So your turbo could be a K24. There should be a riveted plaque with more informations on it. The plaque might be hard to read if the turbo is still on the engine and the engine in the car :oops:
@raf_construct : I found an AAZ engine, which has an EGR and a K14 turbo ... but thanks for the info - I was missing - about K03 turbos on AAZ engines
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Hi Christophe,
I found the plate you are talking about on my MKIII.... but there is no plate on my mkII turbo..
The MKIII plate reads as follows.
5303 101 50 (94)
K03-003/97133
028 145 701R
So from this i understand that i have a K03 turbo... and i do have EGR on my engine.
One more thing i noticed is that the number i found on my mkII turbo, compressor side which is 5324 101 50 (99) is almost same as the number on my dads Merc E300TD, 1998 year, number is 5324 101 50 (74) and even this cars turbo doesnt have any sort of plate. So does that mean these two cars have the same turbo?
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I can't refrain from asking...
are the watercooled turbos k14 or t2's then?
and are they in between the KO3 and t3?
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Dunno anything else than written above about watercooled ones.
By growing sizes :
K03/GT15 <- Mk3
K14/T2 <- Mk2(watercooled or not ...)
K14 <- Mk3
K24/T3 <- Mk2
That is for Golf equipment of my knowledge - according to the french section of this forum. There are also the K16, the K04 and certainly many others in between the K03 and the T3 ...
Note : the riveted plaque need not be on the same side of every turbos. Sometimes it is riveted between the compressor and the turbine - on the down side - just in the right place for you can't see it if you do not take the turbo or the engine appart :roll:
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just in the right place for you can't see it if you do not take the turbo or the engine appart :roll:
wise words indeed ...
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Christophe....
What do u have to say about this...
"One more thing i noticed is that the number i found on my mkII turbo, compressor side which is 5324 101 50 (99) is almost same as the number on my dads Merc E300TD, 1998 year, number is 5324 101 50 (74) and even this cars turbo doesnt have any sort of plate. So does that mean these two cars have the same turbo?"
I'd like your input...
Thanks.
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wise ???
- rather a curious newbie willing to learn by sharing some informations, claims and guesses .... sorry !
If you were in France and certain that your turbo is stock, then your turbo would certainly be a K24 and especially if your car is an early Golf - I think :oops:
If you note similar numbers on (eg:) the compressor side then I'd say that they have similar compressor sides - but there are so many turbos as combinations of various compressors and turbines ... plus I am not so much of a specialist :?
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http://www.intec-sarl.com/TARIF%202006%20Turbo%20VL.pdf
helped !
I could not find anything about your complete references but it looks like the third and fourth leftmost digit are for the type of the turbo - so :
5324-... is a K24
5316-... is a K16
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5303-... is a K03
etc
So: 5324-10... should be a K24
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Thanx Christophe!!
The link u sent is really helpful and informative!!
Im convinced that my MF engine has a K-24..... i just saw a thread on the forum... "Jakes KKK K-24 rebuild... i went thru it and i noticed thats exactly how my turbo looks like...."
and u highlighted that in 5324... the 24 represents the turbo type!
Thanx loadss!