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General Information => General => Topic started by: Dr. Diesel on March 13, 2008, 04:53:05 pm
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I'm considering buying a pair of peloquin limited slip diffs for my syncro.
If anyone else is interested in such a thing, or even just the 80% kit maybe we can get a group buy happening.
From experience in my jetta and now rabbit, even for regular every day sporty driving (and winter driving!) these diffs are worth it.
ok, i'll do it like a poll. keep in mind that the regular price for an 020 transmission diff is around $875 so it should be notable savings from that price.
Be serious folks, if you want one, and are just waiting for a good deal say yes, otherwise say maybe if you're more waiting for a to-die-for deal which will probably never happen. I need accurate numbers to tell the guy.
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If only I wasn't getting married this spring. :x
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sucker. I mean, congratulations! hehehe
:D :wink:
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You might want to try posting on the " other" sites as well. Might be more of a pain in the ass, but each buyer drops the price. You have any idea how many you need for a discount, and what it might be?
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I've been wanting one for a long time. Current finances are saying no though :(
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I thought I'd get a rough idea of the number before contacting the supplier.
I'll try other sites too.
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I have wanted one of these for a very long time and nows as good a time as any! Count me in for one. One catch, you have to help me install it :wink:
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hahaaa... ok. we can do each step on our transmissions side by side in my garage.
click the "yes" poll if you haven't already. :D
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I would take an 80% locking shim kit if the price is right :D
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I'm interested, but I've gotta decide what transmission I'm using in my project first.
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the polquin 020 diff will fit all 020 4 and 5 speeds. 02A is different, but all part of the group buy.
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tbd? torque biased differential???
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i'm down! i've been looking around for people who do LSD installs etc. my jetta is a POS as one tire will just spin in snow with zero traction and i'm STUCK aaaaaaaaaarghh i don't even mind paying full price, but having you to help me install it would be sick!
BTW i want to install it on a 6 speed box from Europe. don't know the tranny code :( would that be part of the group buy???
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find the code, check it on the peloquin website. if they make a diff for that tranny, then it'll qualify. :)
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Just for clarity I thought that the peloquins were TBDs not LSDs.
Andrew
kinda like calling a tissue a kleenex in this case, i think. They are torque biasing diffs. And therefore, they limit single wheel slip. hehehe.
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I'm up for some schooling.
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APtuning.com , the transmision section suporter on VWwhoretex, has the pel diffs starting around $775 including shiping, not sure about shipping to our northern neighbors tho. Can you beat that price?
peliquins and quafes are the torque biasing, if you bust a CV joint there is no torque to sence and you are pretty much stuck. Been there, done that many times with the ABA 2.0 16V turbo in Mk1. A clutch type or viscous fluid type you will still be able to move with the one axle. Both types act a little different at the limit. For mostly street driving and ease of availability and cost, the pel or quafe wont wear out as fast as clutches and are cheaper. here ends the class.. :lol: any questions?
I haven't found the 80 percent shim kit priced anyplace, even if they are still available. but haven't really searched hard. I have a 4A 4 speed I might want to test out, if the shim kit is cheap enough.
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just did some searching on the 80 percent kits, seem to be about $100 or so most places. hmmm might have to try the 4A out.. loose that 5th gear weight. :D
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hmmmm so these don't actually help getting out of slippery situations? damn...
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hmmmm so these don't actually help getting out of slippery situations? damn...
damn right they do. All he is saying is that the 'slipping' wheel needs a minimum of something like 18 inch pounds of resistance on it for the diff to do it's job. I have two excellent examples of this diff in action.
My A2 TD jetta, pulling onto a street and accelerating hard with one wheel on snow, and one on dry. No wheelspin, only acceleration. An open diff in this situation would have simply spun the wheel on snow. (and probably resulted in my getting rear ended!)
Same car, after a vw enthusiastic kid pumped my tank full of diesel, I decided to give him a bit of a diesel power show. Pulling out of the gas station driveway, it's a fairly steep dip down onto the road. Combine that with a 90 degree turn, the left front tire had most of the car's weight on it, and the right front tire was almost completely unloaded. Jump on the loud pedal, and the left front tire left a smokey, curving patch to the point where the right tire started carrying it's share of the weight, whereby both tires were scrabbling till 2nd gear. Open diff would have only uselessly spun the right, unloaded tire.
this is where the 80% kit comes in. They include the 80% kit with the diff, so that when autocross racing (or any situation where you might lift a front tire) there's enough resistance torque to make the torsen diff apply torque to the wheel with traction anyway. Win-win.
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hmmmm so these don't actually help getting out of slippery situations? damn...
damn right they do. All he is saying is that the 'slipping' wheel needs a minimum of something like 18 inch pounds of resistance on it for the diff to do it's job. I have two excellent examples of this diff in action.
My A2 TD jetta, pulling onto a street and accelerating hard with one wheel on snow, and one on dry. No wheelspin, only acceleration. An open diff in this situation would have simply spun the wheel on snow. (and probably resulted in my getting rear ended!)
Same car, after a vw enthusiastic kid pumped my tank full of diesel, I decided to give him a bit of a diesel power show. Pulling out of the gas station driveway, it's a fairly steep dip down onto the road. Combine that with a 90 degree turn, the left front tire had most of the car's weight on it, and the right front tire was almost completely unloaded. Jump on the loud pedal, and the left front tire left a smokey, curving patch to the point where the right tire started carrying it's share of the weight, whereby both tires were scrabbling till 2nd gear. Open diff would have only uselessly spun the right, unloaded tire.
this is where the 80% kit comes in. They include the 80% kit with the diff, so that when autocross racing (or any situation where you might lift a front tire) there's enough resistance torque to make the torsen diff apply torque to the wheel with traction anyway. Win-win.
well thats exactly what im lookin for :D so nobody else wants one? come on guys!!! group buy they're not that expensive :lol:
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Dammit you guys are just finding more ways for me to spend money I don't have! I'd love to have my 02J "hooked up" before I even do the TDI swap but unless the IRS makes a mistake with my "economic stimulus" money and gives me 5x too much, I can't do it.
Oh yeah, I'm getting married at the end of the summer too. :P
Brendan
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Peloquin TBD's are the only game in town for Vanagons.
A TrueTrac differential would do the same thing as the Peloquin, but for much less money. A Truetrac for a RWD Volvo runs about $350. But Truetrac don't make one that fits Vanagons.
I wrote Gary about the price difference between his and Truetrac diffs, and he replied,
Truetrac is an excellent unit but is made from cast iron and inexpensive to manufacture, plus most of their units come with total of 8 gears 2 Sun and 6 planetary. Our unit will be made from billet steel and heat treated plus will have total of 14 gears 2 Sun and 12 planetary. Price is driven by material usage and machining difficulty and quantity of parts.
So, you get what you pay for.
What about VW cars? Is there a Truetrac FWD option?
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Guys,
As a Peloquin distributor I'd be willing to consider doing a group buy on these, unless you are working direct with Gary. If that's the case never mind, if you need a distributor though I'd be happy to help. I sure loved having mine this past winter!
And yes, I ship to Canada all the time :)
-BB
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For those of you who own one, does it make much of a difference in the winter with normal driving? I've never been stuck (well once but it doesn't count) and as you can see, I do some "off-roading"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/burnyourmoney/IMG_1473.jpg)
Snowed another 3 inches before I left too... I'm about 3 miles out on the lake in that picture. The front tire shows the depth of the snow, the rear wheels were pushed up by a large chunk of ice which forced the front end too far into the snow, which is why the shovel is out.
Does this effect MPG in any way?
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Well, with my normal driving I had a few times I thought I'd be stuck without it, once was in Idaho, another time was in South Dakota, and another in Nebraska...
Anyway, having driven a lot without one and now that I have it I think it's very worthwhile. That said I did get free installation on it which made the cost a lot more reasonable...
The MKIIs for some reason are snow kings, I was able to go places in my '89 Jetta that I doubt I could do in the '98 or the '01. Now that I have a LSD though I think that the '01 is equal to the '89 in snow-worthiness... ;)
To each their own, it's a fun toy though. If you're pushing 300+ lb/feet of torque it's more of a necessity IMHO.
-BB
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I prefer gear-type TBD over LSD. I swapped a Torsen TBD in my Camaro and I'm glad I did. You never notice it under normal driving, but in low-traction situations (or smokey burnouts hehe) you can really tell. For example, one of the worst conditions for Camaros was having one rear tire on ice and one on pavement. With the open diff (the car was a V-6) it was almost impossible to even get going, even on a flat road. I remember a couple of times people behind me honking at a stoplight. :P With the Torsen, you just roll off like the ice was not even there. My Jeep has a factory limited-slip diff in the rear, and it's not as good- you can still overcome the preload on the diff if you have one wheel with traction and one without, especially if you are in low range, and it acts almost like an open diff in that situation. Truetracs are in the horizon for the Jeep, front and rear. ;)
On the track, for FWD's, racers like a limited-slip type diff with tons of preload, as it also helps with braking more than a TBD would, but we are talking track-only cars with big slicks, plus low-speed turning would be brutal and you'd have to worry about rebuilding the clutch packs if used a lot. You can't lose with a TBD on a FWD car that is a daily driven street performance car that might see some track or auto-x time as well.
Brendan
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Guys,
As a Peloquin distributor I'd be willing to consider doing a group buy on these, unless you are working direct with Gary. If that's the case never mind, if you need a distributor though I'd be happy to help. I sure loved having mine this past winter!
And yes, I ship to Canada all the time :)
-BB
I was planning on sending the same proposal to several distributors, including Peter at thescirocco.com who claims he'll beat anyone's price.
Ok, what can you do for us. There's 5 for sures, one of which is for two diffs, front/rear syncro, and an 80% kit.
Maybe we should have the interested people list what they want.
Please list your desired diff, and either FOR SURE or PRICE DEPENDANT
I'll start
FOR SURE:
B3 Passat syncro, 02C transmission, front and rear diffs, + 1 extra 020 80% kit.
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I am definitely in!!! What kind of price range do you think they will be coming in at?
I need one for a 020 tranny FOR SURE... (but I suppose its price dependent at the same time.... isn't everything?)
Also, when is the order going in????
Will someone please IM or email me at [email protected] with more details?
Thanks!
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Just for clarity I thought that the peloquins were TBDs not LSDs.
Yes, that is correct Torque Based Diff meaning no viscous or clutch coupler.
Also mean both wheels need to be on the ground for it to work, ie no preload
and... nothing to break (in theory) but i hear peloquins are backed by a great warranty :)
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how would an 80% kit affect daily driveability? would i be better off getting a 40% kit ?
also, do those kits wear out after a while?
and lastly, the reason for them is to give some pre-load to the slipping (or spinning) tire so that torque can be transfered to the other (hopefully not slipping/spinning :lol:) tire?
thanks!
I still need to get my tranny code, but for sure it is a 6 speed from a PD130. I might buy one of those 80% kits depending on whether or not it is street friendly
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The %80 kits only work on the 020 trannys, not the 02J or 02M's.
Brendan
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I would be interisted in a 80% kit.
Need a price though.
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The %80 kits only work on the 020 trannys, not the 02J or 02M's.
Brendan
but Dr Diesel is getting one for his 02C tranny? or is that an 020 tranny? can they be made to work on non 020 trannies?
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So i was on the other vw site and found a guy that will sell Peloquins for $760 shipped. I asked him about the possibility of getting together a group buy and what he could do for us pricewise.... he responded by telling me that after checking with his retailer, Peloquin does NOT offer any kind of "group buy" discount.
But $760 shipped anywhere in the US is a pretty fair price, is it not?
Anyone else check with their suppliers about a price?
I see a lot of "would love to's" and "great's" but have yet to see an actual starting price or goal price in mind....
Would the organizer of this thread, or anyone in the know, PLEASE get us some price numbers to work with???
Thanks... 8)
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That's me. Let's face it, there's not going to be an amazing price drop on these, regardless of numbers. I can't see anything less than $700 shipped, if we're extremely lucky.
I wanted some numbers before approaching a dealer. Bleached Bora has stated that he is a dealer. I'm looking forward to seeing what he has to offer. Naturally, we'll compare to what other distributors can to, but it'd be nice to deal with someone from this site.
I'm ordering an extra 80% kit for a different project, not related to my 02C.
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This Just In:
There’s limited numbers, but I can get you 1 or 2, and shipping cost goes by weight, so there’s no savings.
Peloquin doesn’t like his dealers doing group buys, which is why my price is the group buy rate.
$769 to a US address, and $875 including Express mail to almost anywhere in the world. Thanks for the interest…
Peter - 302.832.8989 - 11AM-11PM EST
http://thescirocco.com
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I had an 80% kit on my 01M :D It worked great, not as good as the real deal but it was a massive improvement in the wet and snow.
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I would be interisted in a 80% kit.
Need a price though.
Yup, still here..
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well, according to tripn4days, the gig is up. According to Peter at the scirocco.com group buys don't happen on these things, and his prices are best.
Bleached Bora?
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well, according to tripn4days, the gig is up. According to Peter at the scirocco.com group buys don't happen on these things, and his prices are best.
Bleached Bora?
would be still cool if we could get a discount on shipping and some way of avoiding custom rapes i mean charges :roll: :lol: oh and if you could help me install the torsen diff :D
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What is the price for the 80% kit? If the price is right I will order one.
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I'll buy a 40% kit, so long as I'm not paying more than retail plus shipping.
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DOC,
Might have a good connection for you on the Peloquins. Drop me a pm. Has Scott ever called you back?