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Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on January 31, 2008, 08:43:05 am

If you only had 3 places to place gauges in your TD what would you get?


Boost and EGT are obvious choices but what about the third one?

Water temp?

Oil pressure?

Oil temp?

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: jimfoo on January 31, 2008, 08:43:50 am

Water temp for sure. Don't want to overheat.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on January 31, 2008, 09:35:06 am

Quote from: "jimfoo"

Water temp for sure. Don't want to overheat.

Thats what I was thinking as well. Just kinda wanted a general idea what everyone else was thinking.
Oil pressure would be cool but I cant give up EGT or Boost.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: jtanguay on January 31, 2008, 12:55:28 pm

well i would just use oil temp boost & egt, and monitor water temp from its stock position.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: rallydiesel on January 31, 2008, 01:21:09 pm

I vote for boost, egt and oil pressure.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: jimfoo on January 31, 2008, 01:49:38 pm

I guess we should ask are these the only gauges you will have, or are they add ons, in which case what factory gauges do you have? My answer was based on these 3 being the only ones.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on January 31, 2008, 01:55:02 pm

These are add-on's yes.

I'll use the stock cluster for water temp for what it's worth then use these for better monitoring.

Right now it's going to be Oil pressure, EGT, Boost.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: burn_your_money on January 31, 2008, 01:59:09 pm

I'd go with oil temp over water temp

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on January 31, 2008, 02:22:51 pm

Quote from: "burn_your_money"

I'd go with oil temp over water temp

Really?

Whys that Tyler?

I should give you guys a idea of how I'm going to be driving this car.

I commute 124 miles a day, 62 each way all freeway.

No racing at all and mostly flat.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: jimfoo on January 31, 2008, 02:27:59 pm

If you have an external oil cooler, I'd go with oil pressure, and I might go with it anyway if you run synthetic oil that can take much higher temps.
Are there any gauges that display two things, like oil pressure and temp?

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: jtanguay on January 31, 2008, 02:29:18 pm

Quote from: "jimfoo"

If you have an external oil cooler, I'd go with oil pressure, and I might go with it anyway if you run synthetic oil that can take much higher temps.
Are there any gauges that display two things, like oil pressure and temp?

i'm pretty sure i saw some of those aircraft spruce dual gauges.  they don't look so 'hot' but do the job.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: Mark(The Miser)UK on January 31, 2008, 02:30:44 pm

Voltage, Water pressure and EGT

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: jimfoo on January 31, 2008, 02:32:11 pm

Never seen any car with a water pressure gauge.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on January 31, 2008, 02:45:26 pm

Quote from: "jimfoo"

If you have an external oil cooler, I'd go with oil pressure, and I might go with it anyway if you run synthetic oil that can take much higher temps.
Are there any gauges that display two things, like oil pressure and temp?

I have an external oil cooler so I'm really not all that concerned about oil temp and after break in I'll be running syn.

I have a link @ home to a place that sells some SWEET gauges, they are 2 in one gauges so you can have Boost and EGT on the same gauge. Oil pressure and oil temp, etc etc.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: Mark(The Miser)UK on January 31, 2008, 02:48:45 pm

Quote from: "jimfoo"

Never seen any car with a water pressure gauge.

Nope... Restricted to steam engines; but would be a good thing on a diesel IMO.  :mrgreen:

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: jtanguay on January 31, 2008, 03:51:14 pm

Quote from: "Mark(The Miser)UK"

Quote from: "jimfoo"

Never seen any car with a water pressure gauge.

Nope... Restricted to steam engines; but would be a good thing on a diesel IMO.  :mrgreen:

maybe a water pressure idiot light.  make it go off when the pressure is too high.  saves room as you don't need to keep an eye on the exact pressure... just the pressure at which to be concerned for your HG  :lol:

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: Mark(The Miser)UK on January 31, 2008, 04:58:54 pm

Quote from: "jtanguay"

Quote from: "Mark(The Miser)UK"

Quote from: "jimfoo"

Never seen any car with a water pressure gauge.

Nope... Restricted to steam engines; but would be a good thing on a diesel IMO.  :mrgreen:

maybe a water pressure idiot light.  make it go off when the pressure is too high.  saves room as you don't need to keep an eye on the exact pressure... just the pressure at which to be concerned for your HG  :lol:

Or too low for the cap leak or pipe split :idea:

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: andy2 on January 31, 2008, 05:25:36 pm

If I were you I'd go with volts,water temp and oil psi.Boost/EGT gage is only neccesary for a not so stock diesel thats pushed somewhat hard.What kind of car (I'm assuming) do you own?Is it bone stock?Do you tow or push the car hard?

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: blkboostedtruck on January 31, 2008, 06:41:10 pm

Hey Dan,
how about the blinker fluid gage? thats a good one? :shock:
water pressure gage :roll:  Jay Lenno would tell you all about that one! he owns a collection of steamers and a jet powered motorcycle!
just don't get to ricey as once said? :wink:
Duane

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: jtanguay on January 31, 2008, 07:24:22 pm

Quote from: "Mark(The Miser)UK"

Quote from: "jtanguay"

Quote from: "Mark(The Miser)UK"

Quote from: "jimfoo"

Never seen any car with a water pressure gauge.

Nope... Restricted to steam engines; but would be a good thing on a diesel IMO.  :mrgreen:

maybe a water pressure idiot light.  make it go off when the pressure is too high.  saves room as you don't need to keep an eye on the exact pressure... just the pressure at which to be concerned for your HG  :lol:

Or too low for the cap leak or pipe split :idea:

now you're getting into dynamic idiot light territory... two sensors one for high and one for low...  :lol:

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on January 31, 2008, 07:38:38 pm

Quote from: "andy2"

If I were you I'd go with volts,water temp and oil psi.Boost/EGT gage is only neccesary for a not so stock diesel thats pushed somewhat hard.What kind of car (I'm assuming) do you own?Is it bone stock?Do you tow or push the car hard?

I posted how I drive the car and asked what "3" gauges people would suggest. You have 5 listed there so..???

Mine isn't stock so the EGT and Boost gauge is a must, the debate here is over a Water Temp, Oil press or Oil temp.

It's a 1.6TD 5spd.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on January 31, 2008, 07:41:04 pm

Quote from: "blkboostedtruck"

Hey Dan,
how about the blinker fluid gage? thats a good one? :shock:
water pressure gage :roll:  Jay Lenno would tell you all about that one! he owns a collection of steamers and a jet powered motorcycle!
just don't get to ricey as once said? :wink:
Duane

Blinker fluid huh, tell ya what if you get one (I want pics BTW) and I'll get one.

Ricey isn't going to happen in my car thus only 3 gauges. No Huge tach with a shift light on the dash and no Neon lights!!

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: TedV on January 31, 2008, 08:03:40 pm

Some race cars monitor the water pressure.  You will know before the temp rises when you take a rock through the radiator, bust a line, or if you do have a slow leak and coolant level goes down it turns into the steam engine mentioned. So yes, high and low idiot lights.

Don’t you have a water temp gauge stock in the dash?  Run good synthetic oil, no worries about oil temp, and since your motor is modified, run the oil pressure gauge.  It will tell you the health of your motor, when you have worn bearings, oil pump, etc.

In the Corrado’s owners manual all it has to say about high oil temp“if oil temp reaches 294 deg F, turn off air conditioning.”  Doesn’t say anything about slowing down.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on January 31, 2008, 09:32:06 pm

Quote from: "TedV"

Don’t you have a water temp gauge stock in the dash?  Run good synthetic oil, no worries about oil temp, and since your motor is modified, run the oil pressure gauge.  It will tell you the health of your motor, when you have worn bearings, oil pump, etc.

In the Corrado’s owners manual all it has to say about high oil temp“if oil temp reaches 294 deg F, turn off air conditioning.”  Doesn’t say anything about slowing down.

Ya I have a temp gauge in the cluster so as it sits I'm going with Oil pressure, EGT and Boost.

Thanks all for the help.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on January 31, 2008, 09:33:42 pm

Quote from: "libbybapa"

You could certainly get two senders and combine oil temp and water temp.  Getting a good enough range to combine oil pressure and boost pressure is doubtful, but perhaps possible.  All electronic and switchable.  Why restrict to three?  I'd personally have 5:  
1. Boost/vac (yes vac in order to know if you have I have an intake restriction.  
2. Switchable oil and water temp.  
3. Oil pressure.  
4. EGT.
5. Volts.

Andrew

I actually considered that at one point but I'm lazy and running the crap for the gauges I'll be running EGT, Boost and Oil pressure are good enough.

Going will all Mechanical also, I want full sweep gauges and Mechanical are way less than electric gauges.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: KTZed on January 31, 2008, 10:43:56 pm

This was what I got

http://cgi.ebay.ca/TINTED-7-COLOR-BOOST-PYROMETER-OIL-PRESSURE-GAUGE_W0QQitemZ350019309616QQihZ022QQcategoryZ43952QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Im quite happy with them and have verified the boost and pyro readings against very accurate temp/pressure measurement devices. And for 3 gauges with an EGT probe and electronic oil press sender you cant beat the price. Just be sure to call and ask for the same gauges but with CLEAR lenses...NOT the tinted ones...apparently you cant see the tinted ones in the daytime.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on February 01, 2008, 09:50:53 am

Quote from: "KTZed"

This was what I got

http://cgi.ebay.ca/TINTED-7-COLOR-BOOST-PYROMETER-OIL-PRESSURE-GAUGE_W0QQitemZ350019309616QQihZ022QQcategoryZ43952QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Im quite happy with them and have verified the boost and pyro readings against very accurate temp/pressure measurement devices. And for 3 gauges with an EGT probe and electronic oil press sender you cant beat the price. Just be sure to call and ask for the same gauges but with CLEAR lenses...NOT the tinted ones...apparently you cant see the tinted ones in the daytime.

Holy crap!!

Those are cheep.. They seem to work ok huh? got a pic of them installed?

Less than $200.00 for all 3 shipped.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: KTZed on February 01, 2008, 12:36:35 pm

Bad pic is all I got

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee94/ktzed/IMG_1244.jpg)

Title: nice lookin interior
Post by: Baselyne on February 01, 2008, 02:21:49 pm

Nice styles.... Good clean job well done!
Props there

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on February 02, 2008, 12:39:05 pm

They look nice.

If only I had seen them 30 min earlier. Already bought the Autometer's.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: 935racer on February 02, 2008, 08:12:10 pm

I don't think 3 is enough, I would say at a minimum for even a mildly tuned td you need boost, egt, oil pressure, oil temp, water temp. Volts and EMP are slightly less important IMO.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on February 02, 2008, 08:34:13 pm

I agree Dave, just trying to keep the iside of the car from looking like a cockpit. Originally I was going with 6 gauges but I only have enough room for 3 gauges so here we are.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: 935racer on February 02, 2008, 08:46:32 pm

Quote from: "zukgod1"

I agree Dave, just trying to keep the iside of the car from looking like a cockpit. Originally I was going with 6 gauges but I only have enough room for 3 gauges so here we are.

Cockpits are sweet
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2175.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2176.jpg) 8)

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on February 02, 2008, 09:04:48 pm

I guess my priorities are messed up, below that is where my Z2 is going so no room, then there's the lack of funds for the other 3 gauges.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: 935racer on February 02, 2008, 09:29:06 pm

What is a Z2? A stereo? I don't have one of those :P

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: zukgod1 on February 03, 2008, 07:41:02 pm

Quote from: "935racer"

What is a Z2? A stereo? I don't have one of those :P

If I didn't have a 124 mile commute I would do without tunes but I don't like the idea of bouncing off the guard rails when I fall asleep..

I may have to reconsider the other gauges, Volt, Water temp and oil temp maybe.

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: Mark(The Miser)UK on February 04, 2008, 02:34:29 am

 I still say volts  EGT and water pressure.
 
Water temp already on the car, so to have 2 gauges is a little extravagant and  may lead to paranoia.If you spew out your water you've not got long. Do all diesels have the coolant level warning?
Water pressure can be treated a bit like max EGT. Does water temp vary with coolant mix?


Is boost needed? I think its just something to gloat at. I can feel if I'm getting boost. Vac side of the gauge? Well I use a gasser fuel pump/ carb. vacc tester gauge in my car when [if] I can get round to refitting it.

Oil pressure? Apart from catastrophic failure. does it matter? There is already a warning system built in with LED/(alarm [maybe])
How much drop in pressure from clean to dirty wrt oil filters?


EGT well unless you take life easy it is good to see how close to turning your pistons into silver cheese you are when racing up the incline...

Volts... Nice to see people agree generally with this one and are not stressing themselves out with an amps installation :mrgreen: ...

Title: What 3 gauges to get
Post by: jimfoo on February 04, 2008, 06:29:45 am

Of Course if you're like me, a water pressure gauge would do nothing. I have no water pressure as I run an open system. Before I did that, I lost water pressure and the temp immediately skyrocketed, so a water pressure gauge would have been useless. Don't need a volt meter as if my lights aren't bright, it's not charging. Had an ammeter(factory) but it didn't like the larger alternator and promptly burned out. Oil pressure can warn you long before the pressure drops enough for a light in my opinion. I don't have an oil temp as it and water temp  and EGT should be related. I didn't have a tach, so that was a must as was boost and EGT.