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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: flapjack on January 28, 2008, 11:19:44 am

Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: flapjack on January 28, 2008, 11:19:44 am
I've got the serpentine belt setup from a 1.9 td on my 1.6td
It has a vbelt for the water pump & power steering
If the power steering pump is removed, how do you tighted the vbelt?
Did any mk3 come from the factory without p.s.?
thanks
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: jtanguay on January 28, 2008, 11:25:46 am
i suppose you would need to find a car without P/S.  or just install a junk p/s pump?
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: burn_your_money on January 28, 2008, 11:25:58 am
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=9599

you need this style of water pump pulley
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: flapjack on January 28, 2008, 11:56:04 am
i think a junk ps pump would seize without the ps oil going thru it.
Quote from: "burn_your_money"
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=9599

you need this style of water pump pulley


the one that has the serp driving the water pump? I've looked for that. I can't find that anywhere.
thanks, if i can't find it,  i may just put the ps back in.
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: burn_your_money on January 28, 2008, 02:25:31 pm
Take a PS pump, fill it with fluid and just make a loop. Not very efficient but it'll work.

I'll see about getting you a PN for that pulley
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: flapjack on January 29, 2008, 06:16:37 am
Burn
 yes please , if you can. the part number would be great. There is a great vw junkyard in Pennsylvania with Canada 1.9 diesels, they got me the serp setup, but he can't find that water pump pulley for me.

Is there a belt specific to a car with no PS but WITH AC ?
Did those cars have AC?  Your picture in the faq shows the water pump powered by the serp, but the AC is missing.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/burnyourmoney/truck080.jpg)
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: burn_your_money on January 29, 2008, 07:13:57 am
That is a factory non ac model. I don't know much about AAZs but I would imagine it needs a different belt. I'm not sure but the AC ones might drive the WP with the v-belt, I'll check though as I have 3 of these engines kicking around
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: lord_verminaard on January 29, 2008, 08:52:02 am
I think you guys need one of these:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3494610

Or: (pic shows a 16v but I've heard it works with any VW 4-banger)
(http://www.034motorsport.com/images/AltConversion1_550.jpg)

Brendan
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: flapjack on January 29, 2008, 09:43:45 am
Thanks Verminaard !
that's very cool, but I have to keep the AC.
(north new jersey summers, humid 100 deg & 45 minute commute)

That kit uses a 1.9TD crank pulley and obd-1  vr6 water pump pulley
if that water pump pulley doesn't interfere with the ac pulley, thats what I'll use.
He sells a 1.9TD crank pulley for $75 which seems like a really good price.
I thought they were over $200 ??
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: flapjack on February 08, 2008, 06:50:43 am
The vr6 water pump pulley fits.  
It looks a little off center, the belt riding a bit closer to the outside edge, but looks like it'll work.
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: Busdriver on February 20, 2008, 01:15:38 pm
Use a junk power steering pump as an idler pulley to tighten the belt.
Take a power steering pump, open it up, REMOVE the vanes, reassemble.
Fill with power steering fluid (don't forget to plug the holes) reinstall.
Pretty much the same answer as run a junk power steering pump in a loop, but without the loop.
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: BigVWman on February 25, 2008, 04:32:42 pm
Flapjack did you ever get the serp system to work with a/c and driving waterpump? I just put bracket and parts on my 1.9 and looks like the serp belt won't even touch water pump pulley when a/c is installed. I was hoping to retain a/c but drive h20 pump off serp if possible any suggestions?
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: flapjack on February 25, 2008, 08:52:37 pm
I don't see a way to keep AC and run the water pump with the serp
I think I may put the @#$-ing power steering back on and run the v belt for the water and power steering as the good Lord intended.
At the moment I've got a serpentine belt running the water pump but going backwards over the AC. It'll do until I actually finish getting the rest of the car together and actually starting it. For some reason I can't finish this job :)
(http://www.smellslikefries.com/vwpics/posts/notdonemk3.JPG)
Title: serpentine setup, no power steering, possible?
Post by: subsonic on February 26, 2008, 06:05:03 am
Little helper :lol: