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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: silvertdi on January 22, 2008, 07:09:54 pm

Title: valve shim question
Post by: silvertdi on January 22, 2008, 07:09:54 pm
Is there a tool that can compress the spring and pop out the shims while the cam is in the car?  If so, where can I get one (buy or rent)?  I'd like to adjust my valves but don't want to tear down the top end.  Thanks.
Title: valve shim question
Post by: RabbitJockey on January 22, 2008, 07:46:38 pm
i've heard of it being done i dunno how... its not that much work to take ur timing belt off and take out the cam
Title: valve shim question
Post by: TPW on January 22, 2008, 08:04:25 pm
Look on Ebay
Title: valve shim question
Post by: Quantum TD on January 22, 2008, 09:24:48 pm
The really nice pliers to remove the shims is made by HAZET. It's Number: 2599

The tool used to depress the lifters is HAZET 2574


These are about the best quality brand you can buy (made in W Germany). I've tried others and you just go nuts trying to hold the lifters and pinch the shims. The other brands just slip. The depresser actually holds it self in place once the lifters are depressed, and the pliers perfectly fit th contour of the lifter-bore area and makes pinching the shims a breeze.
Title: valve shim question
Post by: silvertdi on January 23, 2008, 04:48:55 pm
Thanks Quantum.  I'm definately going to check them out.

One more question....Do shims from any 4 cyl vw gasser work?  Can I go to the junkyard and pull shims hoping to collect enough to give me the thicknesses I need?

Thanks.
Title: valve shim question
Post by: silvertdi on January 23, 2008, 05:24:17 pm
WOW  :shock:  $80 for each of those tools.  I'll see if I can snag a set on ebay.  It would make shimming so much more enjoyable.
Title: valve shim question
Post by: blkboostedtruck on January 23, 2008, 06:46:32 pm
Quote from: "silvertdi"
WOW  :shock:  $80 for each of those tools.  I'll see if I can snag a set on ebay.  It would make shimming so much more enjoyable.

everyonce in a while there will be some that show up on THESAMBA.COM i bought my depressor there for 20bucks and bought the plires from flea-bay from ZDMAK they have alot of specialty tools! check it out?
or you can always come up here and use mine? i'm working on buying a shim kit from (mikew) sometime soon?
thanks Duane
Title: valve shim question
Post by: silvertdi on January 23, 2008, 07:00:07 pm
Duane,

I just may have to swing by and take you up on your offer.  Thanks.   :D   I'm not in too big of a hurry to get it done, just worried that its never been done on my car.   I'm thinking it may help it run a bit better in the cold, as well.

Eric
Title: valve shim question
Post by: blkboostedtruck on January 23, 2008, 07:12:25 pm
Quote from: "silvertdi"
Duane,

I just may have to swing by and take you up on your offer.  Thanks.   :D   I'm not in too big of a hurry to get it done, just worried that its never been done on my car.   I'm thinking it may help it run a bit better in the cold, as well.

Eric

 
 He He ! should i set up a guest room for ya ? i think we should make a punch list of things we  need to do so nothing is forgot? seriously i don't mind?
thanks Duane  :D
Title: valve shim question
Post by: burn_your_money on January 23, 2008, 07:32:14 pm
Quote from: "silvertdi"
Duane,

I just may have to swing by and take you up on your offer.  Thanks.   :D   I'm not in too big of a hurry to get it done, just worried that its never been done on my car.   I'm thinking it may help it run a bit better in the cold, as well.

Eric


You can check it without the tool, I'd start there.
I have two of them, came with my timing kit. If you think I know where they are though.... :(
Title: valve shim question
Post by: blkboostedtruck on January 23, 2008, 07:59:21 pm
Quote from: "burn_your_money"
Quote from: "silvertdi"
Duane,

I just may have to swing by and take you up on your offer.  Thanks.   :D   I'm not in too big of a hurry to get it done, just worried that its never been done on my car.   I'm thinking it may help it run a bit better in the cold, as well.

Eric


You can check it without the tool, I'd start there.
I have two of them, came with my timing kit. If you think I know where they are though.... :(


Tyler,
cam follower depressor,shim plires, feeler gage, we were talking about adjusting valves! were you refering to timing tools?
Duane
Title: valve shim question
Post by: Quantum TD on January 23, 2008, 11:53:39 pm
Quote from: "silvertdi"
One more question....Do shims from any 4 cyl vw gasser work?  Can I go to the junkyard and pull shims hoping to collect enough to give me the thicknesses I need?

Thanks.


All VW shims are the same from 1975-1984: gas or diesel. I'll give you a tip though. If you try to grab some from a j-yard, you may be disappointed to find that the replacement shims you get will probably be the same thickness range as the ones in your car.

I've pulled dozens of these shims out of j-yard ***ters and they're all within about +/- .05mm of eachother, and they tend to hover in the 3.65-3.70 range. Most people never adjusted their valves, so you probably won't find too many outside of that general range. You may be better off (time wise) to actually measure your shims and determine exactly what you need, and then buy some from your local foreign auto parts dealer.
Title: valve shim question
Post by: burn_your_money on January 24, 2008, 05:04:16 am
Quote from: "blkboostedtruck"

Tyler,
cam follower depressor,shim plires, feeler gage, we were talking about adjusting valves! were you refering to timing tools?
Duane


I know, the guy I bought them from just sold it as a package deal
Title: valve shim question
Post by: blkboostedtruck on January 24, 2008, 03:26:58 pm
Quote from: "burn_your_money"
Quote from: "blkboostedtruck"

Tyler,
cam follower depressor,shim plires, feeler gage, we were talking about adjusting valves! were you refering to timing tools?
Duane


I know, the guy I bought them from just sold it as a package deal


wow interestng i never seen a package deal like that? i've had to source mine from atleast 3 different supplyers some new and used!
what did you pay for a kit like that?
thanks Duane
Title: valve shim question
Post by: rabbitman on January 24, 2008, 03:59:00 pm
If you can't grab the shim good enough you can blow compressed air under 'em to pop the suction loose. Gassers have the same shims.
Title: valve shim question
Post by: Gearhead on January 24, 2008, 06:37:22 pm
I can rent members of this forum a shim kit (about 30 sizes), two different shape depressors, and the pliers for two weeks.  How does a deposit of $150, then when I get the setup back, I'll refund you $125 less the cost of shipping it to you sound?  The $25 helps cover the cost and shipping of replacement shims.  I'm not trying to make any money.  I got this setup because I had to set mine, so I bought everything.  Well, my valves were set 2 weeks ago, so I don't think I'll be needing it for the next month or so.

I'm probably going to buy the tool for front wheel bearings and will do the same thing if I do.  I just want to give back to the users of this forum.  Just, PLEASE make sure my stuff gets back to me.
Title: valve shim question
Post by: burn_your_money on January 24, 2008, 11:29:24 pm
I forget what I paid Duane, it was when I owned my first diesel and the head gasket crapped out. It was on the cheap though. It was a private sale, the guy was getting rid of his diesel