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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Topherdiesel on March 24, 2005, 10:33:18 pm

Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on March 24, 2005, 10:33:18 pm: I have noticed just the last few weeks that shes starting hard, maybe veen harder than in the winter.
I know my timing is off, could this be why?
She starts right up, but chugs and chugs and smokes for a while, total incomplete combustion.

What could cause, I KNOW i am way overdue for a fuel filter?
After shes runnign she runs very well, very strong!
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: QuickTD on March 25, 2005, 07:20:00 am: Sounds like a bad glow plug. New ones go bad just as often as old ones so check them all.
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on March 25, 2005, 08:07:37 am: What a pain in the ass
I KNEW you were gonna say that!!!
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Hammy on March 25, 2005, 08:51:20 am: I had the same problem you have described, and it turned out to be glow plugs. Almost the same time of year. It just got really hard to start, wasn't that cold out. Changed the glow plugs, and it was perfect again. All winter it started with no problems, they just fail all of a sudden.
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on March 25, 2005, 09:18:36 am: Son of a ***ing things, I JUST changed them at xmas time!
:evil:
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: QuickTD on March 25, 2005, 09:47:02 am: Are you sure you used the correct ones? Some jobbers and dealers still have the old non-self regulating fast glow plugs. These will burn out quite quickly in a 1.9 because they stay on for 3 minutes. Make sure the boxes say "duraterm" on them and the glow plugs should have a thin tapered tip. The old fast glow plugs have a blunt rounded tip.
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on March 25, 2005, 01:15:14 pm: Yep, then the woman at frisco gave me the wrong ones.
They were the only ones she had, where do I go get the right ones?
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on March 25, 2005, 01:15:45 pm: Thats why my car started like ASS all winter...
what a day
:'(
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: gropar on March 25, 2005, 04:00:10 pm: Mine had the same symptoms.

Ended up to be bad injectors. They would skirt rather than spray, wich gave me about 3 minutes of rough idle and mises when temperature was below 5°C.
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on March 25, 2005, 04:51:53 pm: whats the part # for the duraterm glow plugs?
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on March 25, 2005, 05:07:35 pm: the ones i have here say 0 250 032 015
vw oem made in france
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: QuickTD on March 25, 2005, 06:31:32 pm: The bosch part number is 0 250 201 032. This may be the same part number as older fast glow plugs but the plug in the box should be a duraterm. There could be some old stock around though. Beru also makes a self regulating glow plug that is suitable for use in 1.9TD and 1.6 fast glow systems. The part number is GN857.
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on March 25, 2005, 07:58:16 pm: sorry
the ones I have say
0 250 201 032 015

so, are they the same damn plug?
they dont say duraterm anywhere?

it also has these #'s on the box
N 102 130 02
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on March 25, 2005, 08:00:08 pm: Sorry, and where do I get the CORRECT plugs, cuz apparently frisco is NOT it!
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: jtanguay on March 25, 2005, 08:36:37 pm: well i've been living with bad starting for a while now, will this hurt my engine in any way? (If not I'll just change them later when its warm out, nice smoke coming from the back of my car when I start lol)

my guess is that this won't hurt my engine, but if anyone has any other opinion I'd like to hear it (maybe the extreme bucking??? mix that in with my bad motor mount too...)
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: QuickTD on March 26, 2005, 07:00:25 am: Quote
sorry
the ones I have say
0 250 201 032 015

so, are they the same damn plug?
they dont say duraterm anywhere?

it also has these #'s on the box
N 102 130 02

There is some confusion because the duraterm plugs superceded the old fast glow plugs but the part number (Bosch or VW) was not changed. There may be still some old stock out there. The only way to tell the difference is to look at the plugs themselves. The self regulating type have a thinner tapered tip. The old fast or glow types have a constant diameter all the way to the end. Heres a link to a pic - http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcGlow2.asp?c=2&d=1

Macgyver posted a cheap source of beru glow plugs awhile ago, here's the link - http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=719&highlight=

You need the GN857's for your 1.9TD. Have you tested the existing glow plugs yet?
Title: hard starting
Post by: vixentd on April 02, 2005, 11:03:49 pm: It may not be your glowplugs but your timing as your crankshaft pulley may be worn. It is critical that you remove it to check the keyway on the pulley for wear. Mine did this, and before I checked it, destroyed the motor. It was only noticeable when cold. Should have listened to my wife when she said it was running rought. Thought it was glow plugs also, so left it for a few weeks.

If there is any wear, you can not just replace with a new pulley as the crank will be worn also.
Title: Hard starting on 93 td...why??
Post by: Topherdiesel on April 03, 2005, 06:18:46 am: Car runs fine after about a minute, just rough on the start, and my crank has been done witht he new pulley from the tdi!