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Engine Specific Info and Questions => TDI Engine -General Info => Topic started by: the caveman on December 30, 2007, 02:55:06 pm

Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: the caveman on December 30, 2007, 02:55:06 pm

i've done a couple of high-po vw aircooled motors where i set up the rings with Total Seal's dry powder . the idea is instead of runnung the rings wet and glazing the walls, therefore having a longer or poorer break-in, running them dry makes them seal up perfectly right from the get go. The 2 i've done had great success- no smoke, blowby and good compression instantly. i don't see why that wouldn't be okay for a diesel but wondering if anybody has tried.

Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: jtanguay on January 01, 2008, 06:58:37 am

hillfolk'r did it and had good results, as i'm sure others on here have.  it's just a really really good idea!  do some searches for total seal.

Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: hillfolk'r on February 09, 2008, 10:46:00 pm

Quote from: "jtanguay"

hillfolk'r did it and had good results, as i'm sure others on here have.  it's just a really really good idea!  do some searches for total seal.

stuffs awesome,ill never do a fresh engine again without it
due to another problem,i tore my engine down last month(broke head)
it has about 30 k on it since the build
the rings(total seal gapless top),and the bores look mint!!
bearings are nice too
the way i broke it in was as soon as it started and had oil psi,i brought it to  1500-1800 rpm and about every 15-20 seconds i would blip it up to 25- 28-3000 or so
after 5 mins i think i was idling at 2500 and blipping to 3000 still
after 15 mins i was around 2800-3000 idle and blipping to 3500 or so

sometimes id blip it 2x,or tighten up the time in between blips
and  by blip i mean full throttle for a split second to load the rings+seat them  
basically increase speed+load steadily
then i let it idle at 1200 or so for 3-4 mins than idle for 2 mins.....
shutdown and look 'round
if your rings arent seated now,they will NEVER seat
people are too ginger on break in and this can cause problems with ring seating...engines can take more"abuse" than people think
its not abuse anyways
just dont go directly to the drag strip and try to cut records
i couldnt wait  to floor it when i drove it the 1st time
i only waited 20 minutes to give it a 3 -4 sec. blast in 3rd gear

only thing is i wonder if i should use it on reassembly with the used parts,i guess ill contact them

Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: the caveman on February 11, 2008, 07:24:53 am

so i guess total seal make rings for the TDI? i need to do a search

Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: jimfoo on February 11, 2008, 07:30:12 am

Yes. I just got the gapless ring itself from them. You can do that or get a whole set.

Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: dillenger1 on February 13, 2008, 04:14:45 am

where can i get the powder?

Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: jimfoo on February 13, 2008, 09:58:16 am

Probably from Total Seal. Unfortunately I forgot to ask them, and am probably putting my motor together today.

Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: MikkiJayne on February 13, 2008, 10:53:08 am

The part number is S9205. Thats a full set with gapless second ring.

Or they can modify the OE Goetze rings which some people have had done.

Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: hillfolk'r on February 16, 2008, 09:54:32 am

Quote from: "the caveman"

so i guess total seal make rings for the TDI? i need to do a search

when i did my build i had to have them custom made from  oem rings

Quote from: "dillenger1"

where can i get the powder?

from totalseal,,its around 20$,and theres probably enough to do 3 or 4 vw 4 cyl engines

Quote from: "MikkiJayne"

The part number is S9205. Thats a full set with gapless second ring.

Or they can modify the OE Goetze rings which some people have had done.

yea thats what i did,,gapless top ring,,from oem rings
may as well go for the best
my invoice said like 120$ for 5 ring sets modified top gapless,the dry film lube,and the ring land lube(that is on top of cost for stock rings)

(http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9084/hpim01707ei.jpg)

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Title: dry or wet ring setup
Post by: myke_w on March 18, 2008, 08:12:50 am

http://www.jegs.com/i/Total%20Seal/901/QS/10002/-1

if anyone needed a link ;)