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General Information => General => Topic started by: RabbitJockey on December 17, 2007, 06:37:40 pm
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i mean everyone knows this is the smartest car forum, so all the americans on here, don't forget to vote for the real under dog at your states republican primaries. and don't forget to register republican so you can vote for him. obviously i'm talking about Ron Paul. hes the leader of the majority of the polls, yet some how our media won't mention him, they are talking about mike huckabee because he won one straw poll. I mean the guy just broke john kerrys record of raising 5.7 million dollars in one day, (paul brought in over 6 million) and i have yet to hear a whisper about it on the news. The guy wants to get rid of the irs, what more could you ask for in a president haha. discuss, hopefully this doesn't get closed. Anyways to keep this diesel related, i bet paul would support current technologies rather than ***ing around with e85 and other things that don't work, what about the water powered cars that you never hear any talk about, and yes they do exist i'm not joking haha.
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any president who pulls out of iraq is a smart one. at this rate you poor guys won't have any social security benefits... if i was there i'd probably vote for him
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any president who pulls out of iraq is a smart one. at this rate you poor guys won't have any social security benefits... if i was there i'd probably vote for him
With Ron Paul we won't have SSI benefits either, but for the right reasons. It was intended to be temporary anyway.
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and if he gets rid of the irs, which is totally unconstitutional in the first place, we won't need social security because they won't be robbing us of our income anymore so we could just save that. Since the federal income tax technically does not apply to the money we receive from our labor just money such as lottery earnings or when you gain it int he stock market. and actually i was wrong, he raised over 6 million and did beat john kerrys record. but you know our media keeps talking about mormons and christians , while pretending that ron paul doesn't exist.
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I have to say I hadn't looked too closely at Ron Paul until someone linked me this: http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst031907.htm
The guy nailed it dead on, 9 months before any other politicians began to notice anything.
It caused me to start looking at his site, platform, and press. I have until Dec. 31st to change my voter registration from NPA to Rep. so I can vote in the primary.
Looks like I am going to change it.
As far as fuel efficiency,thats a prime example, the main stream media and the beltway bunch are all slapping themselves on the back today over passing a bill to raise CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) Standards or MPG to 35 MPG by 2020.
Sorry to go off on a rant but,
Yeah, they are a bright bunch, thats just 30 years too late, Just as W. abandoned keeping Banks, insurance, and investment firms separate which lead to the current housing mess. He also abandoned an agreement that kept U.S car makers pushing for higher MPG instead and launched a multi-decade research program to develop a car propelled by a hydrogen-powered fuel cell. Brilliant, meanwhile CAFE dropped and we got SUVs.
this is a good read
Gas prices too high? Try Europe. (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0826/p01s03-woeu.html)
(http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0826/csmimg/p10b.gif)
Just like the 70's Gas Crisis, Detroit and U.S. Standards are out of touch, behind the 8 ball, and too little to late.
Jimmy Carter said it best in a speech he gave April 18, 1977.
(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_energy.html)
Each American uses the energy equivalent of 60 barrels of oil per person each year. Ours is the most wasteful nation on earth. We waste more energy than we import. With about the same standard of living, we use twice as much energy per person as do other countries like Germany, Japan and Sweden.
and
"and the cornerstone of our policy, is to reduce the demand through conservation. Our emphasis on conservation is a clear difference between this plan and others which merely encouraged crash production efforts. Conservation is the quickest, cheapest, most practical source of energy. Conservation is the only way we can buy a barrel of oil for a few dollars. It costs about $13 to waste it."
Today they are all acting like they solved a crisis with an original idea and they are so brilliant... They are idiots, all they proved today is that they never learned the lesson and dropped the ball by not upping CAFE standards sooner.
Bio-Fuels and alternatives are nice and all. How about we start with using less of what we have now. It's a hell of allot cheaper than trying to play catch up with new technology they mostly ignored until now.
Of course, what do you expect from an industry and bunch of cronies that proclaims the 2008 Chevy Tahoe Hybrid V8 that gets 21 MPG as "Green Car of the year" (http://www.greencar.com/features/2008greencar/). If that "green" vehicle is still only shuttling around a soccer mom and her shopping bags, what good is it.
Meanwhile Honda is already selling a car that runs on water.
I think finally middle America is waking up, and getting a wiff of the party and corporate bull crap.
I think the politicians and press will soon find out we are not as stupid and focused only on "Dancing with The Stars" as they think we were. We have had enough, know what is right, and want our country back.
The Primaries early next year will begin to reflect that.
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haha my sister told me that her fiance and her wanted to buy a toyota hybrid suv or some ***. i laughed so hard, she thinks she needs 4 wheel drive, and i as like you know hybrid suvs only get like 2 mpg better. and then i explained how fwd is sufficient in the snow my rabbit went everywhere i wanted. like you say though the people are waking up and not just thinking that ron paul is some unelectable underdog, the more i talk to people the more i realize how much support the guy has. but i must admit, many people are clueless as to who he is. :roll:
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he was on glenn beck for a full hour last night. pretty excited to hear him be allowed to talk
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I would love to see ron paul as president, he's a modern genius. he could really change america for the better. it's great to see that he has support on this forum.
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He doesn't have support on CNN... He is currently at 10% in the results in Iowa and beating Juliani and CNN has yet to put his name on the tally board or even mention his name.
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haha my sister told me that her fiance and her wanted to buy a toyota hybrid suv or some ***. i laughed so hard, she thinks she needs 4 wheel drive, and i as like you know hybrid suvs only get like 2 mpg better. and then i explained how fwd is sufficient in the snow my rabbit went everywhere i wanted. like you say though the people are waking up and not just thinking that ron paul is some unelectable underdog, the more i talk to people the more i realize how much support the guy has. but i must admit, many people are clueless as to who he is. :roll:
yea front wheel drive is definitely sufficient for the snow... i remember two winters back on the first snowfall here in Ontario. i was heading down the highway and there was a bunch of retards in the ditch... oh yea and i saw a subaru. sorry your 4 wheel drive does not make you invincible :roll: my diesel jetta was fine at 100km/h in the snow. you can pretty much go as fast as you want in a straight line...(if your alignment is perfect and there isn't any wind) its only when you either lock up the wheels or try to change direction that your car will start to spin out.
oh yea i also saw a truck spinning out. i laughed because people think that trucks make them feel 'safe'. i bet that person felt real safe as they slowly skidded into the ditch. it honestly looked like ballet it was so slow... these people weren't even going that fast.
and this is why insurance rates are so high :roll: :evil:
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people think trucks and suvs are safer but crash tests disagree
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I have seen a few head ons between Suburbans and smaller FWD cars.
The result is always the same.
Once the EMT's are done using the jaws of life to extract the wounded, The Suburban backs up, and goes in search of a new grill.
Moral of the story, no matter how fast your zippy little car seems, do not go in the oncoming lane.
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Meanwhile Honda is already selling a car that runs on water.
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This sort of statement annoys me. I suppose in certain places (laboratories, for the most part) the honda FCX runs on water, but here in real life it more likely runs on natural gas, coal or oil.
Water is the result of burning or reacting hydrogen, so to get the hydrogen back out of the water you need to replace all of the energy released during combustion, plus a bit extra to make up for the inefficiencies of the process. Simple thermodynamics, no "naysaying" or anything of that sort, just the facts. In most places, hydrogen production by electrolysis is prohibitively expensive due to amount and cost of the required electricity. This process is most often used in labs or in public demonstrations of "water fueled cars". Iceland is one exception. With abundant geothermal energy they are able to produce an excess of electricity that could be used for hydrogen production. In most of the world electrolysis would be a foolhardy waste of electricity.
My uncle and my girlfriends father both worked for CIL (now "terra") in sarnia, ontario in the ammonia unit. The production of ammonia for fertilizer and explosives requires many millions of tons of hydrogen every year. Since fertilizer just gets thrown on the dirt, it needs to be very, very cheap.
Commercial hydrogen for ammonia production (and motor vehicle fuel) is produced by reacting natural gas with high pressure/temperature steam and a catalyst. This process breaks the methane into hydrogen and carbon dioxide. The carbon dioxide is vented off to the atmosphere and the hydrogen is compressed and stored. The process is extremely cheap and is able to produce vast quantities of hydrogen. The same method is used in the home refueling stations proposed by honda. Have a look - http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/owning/home-energy-station/ Runs on water indeed... :roll: . Other hydrocarbons like oil and coal can be subjected to similar processes to extract the hydrogen and though these feedstocks are more expensive than natural gas, they are still vastly cheaper than electrolysis.
If you feel you must operate motor vehicles on electricity, it would be far more practical to use batteries and use the electricity directly. This would avoid the production, storage and distribution problems associated with hydrogen. Lithium polymer batteries exist (you probably have one in your cell phone) that can store nearly as much energy as hydrocarbon fuels and more than compressed hydrogen. The pricing of these batteries is much cheaper than current fuel cells and the technology, while still pricy, is far closer to reality than any hydrogen fuel cell.
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I like having an artifact from the Carter administration on my dashboard- the special mark at 55 mph. To me it indicates either "realistically obtainable cruising speed" or "so this is why VW thought they could get away with bringing a 1.6 n/a camper with alpine transaxle to the U.S. market".
Since Ronald Reagan changed the speed limits back up, My bus is as warmly recieved on the interstate as a four foot wide bicycle.
And yes, I like making my morning java with fresh star exhaust.
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these are the water cars i was referring to.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wb8wIqECwGE
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Still, QuickTD's comments still apply. It takes more power to produce hydrogen by electrolysis than energy you get back. But off solar, wind or hydroelectric, pollution would be reduced. Brown's Gas, the 2nd video and still controversial, has been known for a long time. The thing I wonder about is if all cars were hydrogen powered, what would happen with global warming as water vapor is a much stronger greenhouse gas than CO2.
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i'm still pro algae. those little guy's have been around for millions of years and most of them are our friends. so lets farm those little friends, and then extract their oils to produce biodiesel!! :lol:
since they use CO2 for photosynthesis, it sort of completes the cycle... no new CO2 added to the atmosphere, and we still get to diesel :twisted: although some of those electric cars are pretty damn hot... full torque at 0 rpm? daaaaaammmnnn!!!!! and with newer batteries lasting much longer than previous ones, it's becoming more and more a reality.
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lol i checked out that guy's 'water powered car'
honestly... that one battery producing enough hydrogen so the engine runs solely on that? i dont know man... there HAS to be a catalyst...
you don't get enough hydrogen from a battery... i'm thinking that he's using some sort of medium ... either like i dont know something that reacts with water.. possibly a metal, and electricity helps it... because it is sea water and salt helps a bit by reducing the molecular bond.
pretty convincing watching it on TV... the way he pulled the hose and how the engine stopped... (probably with some guy and a remote car starter :lol: )
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NLKExuHlQMQ&feature=related
that looks pretty cool... but enough electricity for my house too? wtf? and nothing to replace? seems suspicious to me... i personally think that they will keep dangling this idea in front of us while selling us petroleum fuels... 20 years time we'll be able to drive these cars... right! maybe 20 years after that :lol:
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=NLKExuHlQMQ&feature=related
that looks pretty cool... but enough electricity for my house too? wtf? and nothing to replace? seems suspicious to me... i personally think that they will keep dangling this idea in front of us while selling us petroleum fuels... 20 years time we'll be able to drive these cars... right! maybe 20 years after that :lol:
Well, car engines are also rated in kilowatts in some places, so yeah a car engine could power many houses if hooked to a generator.
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lol i checked out that guy's 'water powered car'
honestly... that one battery producing enough hydrogen so the engine runs solely on that? i dont know man... there HAS to be a catalyst...
you don't get enough hydrogen from a battery... i'm thinking that he's using some sort of medium ... [/size]
Yea like "Great Running Bear" ....faced liar:roll:
Imagine splitting a pint of water and using it to both run your car and (naturally) charge upyour biggest car battery. Recoup the water remove and store the fully charged battery and insert a spare one. Go out for a drive charge the battery recoup water remove and stack up the battery with the other one, borrow your neighbours battery go out for a run...
Pretty soon you've run out of neighbours so you have to organise raids on neighbouring towns. Pretty soon you're as big as Microsoft and with more stored energy than the Arabian oil fields. :twisted:
And you still have your pint of water. You may have been inefficient and spilled some so now it is only a US baby pint rather than a man-size UK pint but then again there is a top up facility in a place near you.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Only problem is that scenario creates energy out of nothing. Splitting water then recombining it will create a net energy loss, not to mention the energy losses associated with the electric motor, vehicle friction etc.
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Imagine splitting a pint of water and using it to both run your car and (naturally) charge upyour biggest car battery. Recoup the water remove and store the fully charged battery and insert a spare one. Go out for a drive charge the battery recoup water remove and stack up the battery with the other one, borrow your neighbours battery go out for a run...
Pretty soon you've run out of neighbours so you have to organise raids on neighbouring towns. Pretty soon you're as big as Microsoft and with more stored energy than the Arabian oil fields. :twisted:
And you still have your pint of water. You may have been inefficient and spilled some so now it is only a US baby pint rather than a man-size UK pint but then again there is a top up facility in a place near you.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I love it, simply recover the water from the tail pipe and just feed it back into the "hydrogenator" or whatever the hell it's called. Never need to refuel again, fantastic!!! When do we get started? We're going to rule the world!!!
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Why go through all that trouble.
(http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mr_fusion.jpg)
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algae farming, or hemp seeds make great oils. but hemp is illegal and you can't even get high off of it. and who cares if you can get high off something.
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Hemp isn't illegal in Canada that I'm aware of
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If it's illegal here, where do all the hemp jewelry and clothing products come from, I guess 3rd world countrys? Maybe they can send us hemp oil for cheap. Hey, they need the money right?
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Hemp isn't illegal in Canada that I'm aware of
It is tightly controlled. There are several large plots locally, and they have to jump through a lot of hoops. Seehttp://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/substancontrol/hemp-chanvre/about-apropos/stat/appendix-annexe-iii_e.html
The government does require a license to produce or process hemp.
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yeah growing hemp is totally illegal in the us, but we can import its products. pretty retarded considering it has the answer to a lot of issues. canada is by far ahead of the us politically. but for some reason there is a playful hatred for canada here in america. probably just because u guys do alot of things better than us while we consider our selves the world super power. what a joke. i don't see why we are so worried about being a super power anyway, who cares.
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Anyone care to ponder a guess at what our first President, George Washington grew at Mt. Vernon.
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Anyone care to ponder a guess at what our first President, George Washington grew at Mt. Vernon.
him and everyone else haha. it was a big cash crop, our constitution and declaration of independence were written on it.
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Check out the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
The hydrogen car will always be "just a few years away" when we already had electric cars that could drive circles around almost everything I've ever owned. In fact, the development of the Prius was propelled by the fear that Cali would enforce 0 emissions standards sometime about now, but then big oil and GM killed the Cali law and sent their electric cars to the crusher. (nice cars that people wanted to buy, with lots of money, that could drive fast enough to get speeding tickets on LA's highways) Hydrogen and Water power is a mirage to distract us from the fact that we already have electric technology that could run cars off of our current infrastructure - the electric power grid. No need to go to the Shell hydrogen station or any of that bull. I've recently heard that some Texas guy just made some huge breakthrough in battery technology too so we could have laptop batteries the size of watch batteries, Car batteies (to drive them) the size of, well, car batteries (the kind we use to just start them now) And if they eventually do end up making hydrogen/water cars it will be to preserve the corporate monopoly on distributing the energy inputs through their filling stations rather than let people fuel up from the public municipal power grids.
Of course no matter the energy storage system, inputs are needed, so amen to algal bio production, solar, wind, tidal , geothermal, etc. But reduction is also needed. We could turn every square inch of the US into a bio-d farm (algal, hemp, or otherwise) and it still wouldn't cover all of our transportation energy consumption. So how about a paradigm shift... do we really all need to haul 4 leather seats, a 200 watt stereo system, an air conditioner, and a couple tons of steel plastic and glass with us every time we go to work a mile across town?
On the subject of anti pot/hemp conspiracies and lunacies I also recommend the documentary films: "Emperor of Hemp: Jack Herer Story" and "Waiting to Inhale"
As for Ron Paul - the media and everyone else did the same thing to Dennis Kucinich in 04 and this time around, as well as to Mike Gravel. But I like Paul, and will support him. But you know the system is rigged when even so called "credible" candidates drop out before even 1% of the delegates are won in the primary contest. And so on the topic of media cultural conspiracies I also recommend the documentary movie: "Zeitgeist" which is some pretty crazy S***!
Well sorry I don't seem to have as much to share about VW diesels as I do about politics on this forum! :roll: I am glad to see that this is a place where people are thinking though, maybe there is hope...
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But reduction is also needed.
That pretty much sums it up. I wonder if hitchhiking will ever become popular again
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time to resurrect this thread... apparently according to Nostradamus' predictions, Obama is the antichrist? even more reason to vote for Ron Paul :lol:
http://blackpope.info/blog/we-are-looking-for-the-truth/
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haha i'm all about zeitgeist and jack herer