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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: gilligan5000 on August 28, 2007, 08:00:29 pm
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Why does everyone seem to love the k14 so much? Please elaborate and tell me why you love it more than another turbo.
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hmmmmmmmmmmm . . . Interesting. So its mostly because they spool uber quick? The reason I ask is because most everyone seem to be looking for one, and not to piss anyone off, but I just stumbled upon one tonight and wanted to know why they were so sought after.
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The K14s seem to be very rare and/or the owner wants a kings ransom for them... it took me the better part of a year to source one at a price that doesnt seem silly since I spent $1200 bucks for my entire car.
If you find one, never let it go... except for a price !!
Vince
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What turbo comes on eco diesels?
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What turbo comes on eco diesels?
K14, I think.
Me, I'm still set on making a Miller/Atkinson cycled semi-ECO out of a 1.6TD and a K03 turbo. I have two of the darn things now, one's finally been rebuilt, waiting on money for kits for the other.
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i guess i'm lucky.... i stumbled upon owning a k14 with my 1.6td engine, which i bought complete for $400 AUD. so i guess the turbo (which is in perfect condition) must be worth a lot then.... well i planned to keep it anyway, so lucky me!
i guess you guys must hate people like me ;-)
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i have a T2 on my rabbit. works phenominally! I would imagine the K14 is similar.
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so stock, you want a k14. What if you have some cheap and easy mods like a 2 1/2" downpipe, wouldn't this all go out the window? Isn't that what 935racers business is based on?
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Like was mentioned before, it all depends on where you want your power. Low rpm power is really more usable in day-to-day driving. I think it actually makes the car feel "faster" than higher up in the rev range. What makes VNT cars fun to drive is that the turbo acts like a smaller turbo at low rpm and gives it that power off the line, like at traffic lights, etc.
Getting larger downpipes etc., is always good so you can lower EGT's.
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My 91 jetta has a garrett T2 on it as standard,its a SB 1.6
My 83 AAZ golf has a T3 on it and im well happy with the performance compared to the jetta
Bert
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rallydiesel,
i asked cuz i read this:
from 935racers post:
I've made 2, 3" downpipes for 1.9's with 1.6 turbos and they spool up as fast as the tiny k14's do.
is it bs?
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The T2's physical size (housings) is almost identical to the k14 but the T2's wheels are also very close to the k03's.I consider the t2 as more like the k03 than k14.
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rallydiesel,
i asked cuz i read this:
from 935racers post:
I've made 2, 3" downpipes for 1.9's with 1.6 turbos and they spool up as fast as the tiny k14's do.
is it bs?
935racer hardly speaks bs. The better downpipe creates less backpressure and exhaust gasses exit the turbo a lot faster so it spools better and lowers EGTs.
I have a rebuilt K24 in my TD. I can't wait to get a better downpipe and to up the boost to 20psi. IMHO, the K24 is a better design than the T3 (smoother inside, larger ID on the compressor inlet/outlet).
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would it be a silly idea to try to hi-flow a k14 to improve its capacity to blow lots of air? my build for my mk1 ls (which is a light car, by aussie requirements at the time, it didnt need side intusion bars!) i figure that together with a 1.6 will have better spooling capability than a t3 would...
so, i was thinking would it be doable to try to get a larger compressor wheel into the k14 by porting the compressor housing and machining out the inlet a bit?
i'll have 3" mandrel bent system from the turbo all the way back. single rear box, and 3" all the way inc dump pipe, so i'll have no EGT or backpressure issues...
given all this, what will a stock k14 boost to in a 1.6 then? is it possible to crack say... 24psi?
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I was just reading about the k14 and thought that a good source for these turbo's is the xud 1.9 td engine.
There are literally thousands of these turbos over here in the scrap as fitted to Pug 405, 306, 406, Citroen XM, ZX, Xantia etc.
I just sold one on ebay (admittedly for alot more than I expected to):
link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140149243916&ssPageName=STRK:MESO:IT&ih=004
these engines also came with the t2, but it seems alot more common to see the k14's.
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more:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Peugeot-306-1-9-turbo-diesel-TURBO-and-EXHAUST-MANIFOLD_W0QQitemZ200145963844QQihZ010QQcategoryZ10406QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Someone stole my advert!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-306-405-205-KKK-K14-DIESEL-TURBOCHARGER_W0QQitemZ200145761547QQihZ010QQcategoryZ10406QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Same xud engine as fitted to rovers:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120154039299&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BID_Stores_IT&refitem=120154039376&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
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would those euro sourced k14's have the trapezoidal flange though?
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They have a 3 bolt pattern. Sorry, thought all k14 were the same pattern!!
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They have a 3 bolt pattern. Sorry, thought all k14 were the same pattern!!
It's most likely the same pattern as the vw 1.9TD exhaust manifold (3 bolt)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k18/idkf1/For%20Sale/IMG_3750.jpg)
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That looks similar. I can measure the flange if you want as I still have a manifold here?
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That looks similar. I can measure the flange if you want as I still have a manifold here?
That would be cool but I sold that manifold so I won't be able to measure mine :lol: :? Maybe post it so someone else can compare.
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Ok, so i meausured up a manifold flange today so as to compare the XUD k14 bolt pattern to that of the VW one.
Here are the pics:
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4863/dscn3454ud0.th.jpg) (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn3454ud0.jpg)
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6185/dscn3455ge5.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn3455ge5.jpg)
(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1618/dscn3456hh1.th.jpg) (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn3456hh1.jpg)
So it's basically an 85mm x 90mm x 90mm isoceles triangle patterm, is it the same as the 1.9 one?
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My 1.9 k-14 has a rectangular bolt pattern, 4 holes.
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All of the k14's on the 1.9 IDI used the 4 bolt trapezoidal flange.The k03 was the only turbo on the 1.9 IDI to use the 3 bolt flange.I don't know about the k14 on the 1.6 ECO but would guess that it uses the same 4 bolt flange as well.
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how do I indentify which turbo I have? I own an 85td jetta. Also in general how do you tell which one is which?
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i dont know why everybody love the k14/t2, its not a turbo, its smaller :mrgreen:
Greetz, Benjamin
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i dont know why everybody love the k14/t2, its not a turbo, its smaller :mrgreen:
Greetz, Benjamin
that's true :lol:
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I'll tkae the t3 for any application over the k14, the k14 or any of the small frame turbos are just too small. Too performance limiting for me. I can get 30 psi of boost with a t3 by 2500 rpm with some mods so it spools as fast as any turbo ever needs to.
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Maybe at lower elevations, but unless you're blowing a huge thick black cloud I'll bet you $100 it won't produce 30 psi at 2,500rpms in Flagstaff. I'd be really impressed to see 10 psi at 2,500 rpms with a t-3 equipped 1.6 without a very large thick black cloud.
Andrew
Yeah I dunno I am at sea level, well like 120ft above :lol:
I was doing some work on a customers van yesterday, I can make about 12 psi with the t3 but on a 1.9 at around 2500rpm. And nothing I work on smokes, I hate black smoke.
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I've lived within 30 minutes of the ocean my whole life. From what I hear that makes me a lucky bastard :o
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im at sea level in the uk,with a T3 on a AAZ with standard fueling,ive just altered the on boost pin,it really does perform well,i run 11 psi so far and its great fun,no smoke either that is the main thing :wink:
Bert