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General Information => General => Topic started by: 8v-of-fury on February 28, 2010, 12:28:01 pm
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Why hello there. ;D
I was wondering who has had experience with Prothe's EGT gauges..
(http://www.wagenparts.com/images/EGTGauge.jpg)
(http://www.wagenparts.com/images/EGTGaugePic2.jpg)
I mean it doesn't look too bad for $44.. Obviously a lot of the gauge is not used, but does that really matter? I'm not gonna nit pick for the price. I know Smokey Eddy has one and works fine for him. I'm not looking for something that is gonna give me super accurate at 1280F just before she melts down.. Just something thats gonna let me know when I get to 1100F and thats all im lookin for ;)
So yeah, who's got one?
Thanks guys. ;D
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10-04147 WESTACH 2C2-19 EGT 200-1400F $48.750
or the site
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/westach10-01268.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/westach10-01268.php)
heres what the gauges look like (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/10-01268.jpg)
The 2c2-1 (very top) is what I have only it goes down to 200 F. Whereas the one pictured is the 2c2 is 6 to 16 x100F...as you can see for the money it isn't much different and this is the fastest reacting thing out there.
Come on Jeremy it is a critical part not a door handle ::)
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LUCAS, shove it ;)
I know it is a very vital part, but i figure its better to have a cheap one, then not one at all right? lol So with this Spruce one, you have to buy the gauge and sender separate? Or is the $48 price tag include gauge and sender? There site is kinda skimpy on information sadly.. :(
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I think they are separate, but the one gauge is a little cheaper I believe and the sender is cheap too. I would have to look at total cost, but I think I had less than 70.00 in everything including some extra ktype leads from andrew.
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The sender and gauge for me is $88 not included shipping. Soooo lol
I dunno ;) I want to get one that is good, but i don't know if I need the best you know?
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McNally has the best for cars, that is relatively cheap. McNally's are car specific, a wee bit pricier ;D but if you want the best bang for the buck, I'd go search ebay for a high end one and hold out to bid til the last second.
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I would think if you go to the trouble of installing it you could spend the extra 44. Shop around there are cheaper sites...I think the westach site is better than the aircraft site.
I wanted mine so I could have cool down. The oil will cook at 600 F so I wanted to know for sure that I was good to shut off. Heat soak you know:D
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there are also koso gauges kicking around ebay.
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its better to have a cheap one, then not one at all right?
You're posting 'cause you're asking for opinion's right?! If so, respectfully, here's mine: I would argue that in the case of safety or diagnostic equipment a cheap one is at best pointless and in some situations probably *worse* than having none at all. In the case of EGTs... common sense will probably limit your use of the go-pedal... whereas an inaccurate gauge could easily make you think you're fine when you aren't. And you're 45 bucks poorer to boot. :P
I've got no data to suggest that this particular gauge is inaccurate... other than the fact that, as you mention, the vast majority of the scale is unusable... meaning the actual numbers you need are pretty compressed. I do know that by foregoing a few brewskis this week (or lattes, if you're anything like me ;) you could get yourself an aircraft-quality instrument that is proven on our cars and will not lie to you just when you need it the most. Sensor installed pre-turbo, of course, despite the fact that the manifold will probably have to come off to do it.
Again, just one man's opinion. :D
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I'd rather wait and save up to have a proven, quality one in the case of EGT gauge. Any other gauge, I would be fine with something cheap but EGT's are too important in my opinion to cheap out on. I have the Spruce probe and ISSPRO gauge and love it.
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I am very happy with my auber instruments EGT gauge, it was reasonably priced, is accurate and has a warning light/buzzer that you can set to whatever you would like(and can be used to switch things like water/meth sprayers)
it is digital, which is kinda a bummer, but it is still easy to read and fast to react.
-Owen
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My Ebay'd AutoMeter Cobalt looks friggen sweet, and seems to work well.
I'd probably opt for used brand name before new cheapest no - name
McNally's are car specific
What? is *F different ina car tailpipe than an aircraft one?
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I purchased all three of there Gauges
Oil psi/oil temp
Optional adapter: Mounts to filter adapter for both , easy Install
Boost Psi / EGT, Drilled and tapped manifold, easy install on exhaust and intake
Water temp / Volt Gauge
water temp goes into 1.6 Coolant Neck , Again Easy Install
Volt/Battery wire into fuse box, Easy
I paid good money for this money and Turbo/ Giles pump and I want to see correct readings
All three gauges fit in my center console
You get what you pay for !
Gee-Bee
My time to install is worth more than my mechanic / Wrench and he has never seen such good quality and complete installation instructions.
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McNally's are car specific
What? is *F different ina car tailpipe than an aircraft one?
There is no difference between *F in a car or plane. They will probably work well in a plane or ultralight or big truck. Just McNally is a car oriented company and builds their gauges for car apps.
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Mcnally gauges are $250.. danng. Thats alottta hooch.
What about a normal everyday sender, and a good brand gauge? isn't it just two electrical connections comin off the probe?
I will stake-out EBAY lol.
EDIT.
What about GREDDY? I found one on ebay, and it is in good condition. brand new. starts at 300f and has big accurate spaces between 3,6 and 9 and then 10-11-12 are close together.
It only goes up to 12.. Will that be enough? I doubt I want to really go any higher anyway.
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What about JDM?
http://cgi.ebay.ca/JDM-Universal-2-52mm-EGT-Exhaust-Gas-Temperature-Gauge_W0QQitemZ170451597880QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item27afb4fa38#ht_1744wt_1165 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/JDM-Universal-2-52mm-EGT-Exhaust-Gas-Temperature-Gauge_W0QQitemZ170451597880QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item27afb4fa38#ht_1744wt_1165)
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I don't think that would be bad, but I don't know...
I have heard that it is the thermocouple that makes the most difference in reacting to the heat in the engine. Sell an organ and buy the aircraft spruce:D
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I want it to be good, but I don't want to give up a kidney for it.. you know? I am only 19 working minimum wage in retail.. jeeeez lol
I will most likely go with Aircraft Spruce.. as all others are up that price anyway, and spruce is a good name.
Now for installation, I think it should be able to drill with the manifold still on the engine.. and engine still in the car.. ;) just gettin the tap in there would be the hard part i think, but doable. thoughts?
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http://cgi.ebay.ca/Koso-analog-exhaust-temp-EGT-gauge_W0QQitemZ110313250120QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19af2e9d48 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Koso-analog-exhaust-temp-EGT-gauge_W0QQitemZ110313250120QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item19af2e9d48)
KOSO. any good? good price. comes with a stepper motor for extra position. 0-1600F in 200 intervals.
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I know on my MKII it wasn't going to be easy as the engine mount is clost to being in the way. I think others on here have done it. I would try it and then if all else fails take it off and drill it. Go with the 1/8npt as it is plenty big enough and easier to get a tap up there.
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IMO, pretty much anything named after a line of car, or having 'pro' or 'extreme' in the name is going to be crap....
stepper motor gauges require excellent wiring, esp grounding to work right.
Min is, but I am not sold on it being better. User definable warning light in the gauge is a nice feature.
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The KOSO gauge looks like the best bet here, 0-16 with intervals of 2. and he wants $80 for it.. they sel for $240cdn new...
I think I am going to get it, what do you think?
plus he is in Canada, so no customs CRAP. lol $95 includin shipping.
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maybe better product for the price of the cheapest autometer, sounds like a good bet.
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Here's what I have: http://www.jegs.com/i/VDO/918/310953/10002/-1?parentProductId=760360 (http://www.jegs.com/i/VDO/918/310953/10002/-1?parentProductId=760360)
Paid about $105, so far it's been really good EXCEPT, the thermocouple was absolutely worthless, if I floored it for 10 seconds it might get up to 1000F and after I let off it would keep climbing.
So I bought this: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/micro8egt.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/micro8egt.php) except back then it costed like $23.
It reacts real fast, it'll actually hesitate when shifting!!!! Just try to install it so it reads from as many cylinders as possible, I've never found a good way to do that on a NA with the separate runners and all......
I'd try to get a gauge without the sender (ebay) and then get the spruce one to save on cost and get a fast setup.
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Yep what ^ said
That is what I am trying to get you to do. Buy the good thermocouple and the "cheap" aircraft spruce gauge. No problems and accurate results. I don't think that the gauge is as important as the thermocouple. Just make sure that they are compatible.
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I would be more worried about the probe melting off and ruining the turbo then anything
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Prothe's, sorry for the confusion.
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Thanks a lot for all the contributions guys :)
I have been seriously looking at this KOSO unit.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110313250120&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&ih=001 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110313250120&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&ih=001)
has anybody heard of it? they seem legit units.. I figure for under $100 why not eh?
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I think it looks good... From the pic I see it looks like you will have a fun time installing the probe that comes with it. Still it is 100.00 I am positive that I had less than 70 for the gauge and probe from aircraft spruce. Looks like the thermocouple is
10-01225 WESTACH EGT SENDER 712-2DWK $39.50
Then the guage was posted earlier. With shipping you still maybe under 100.
Check to make sure that is correct part for the gauge and order it :D
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Lucas, these pages were not apparent to me earlier, whatever you linked me too last time got me to the same site and stuff, but different stuff :P
$39 for a 712-2DWK Westach sender, and $49 for the Westach 2C2 gauge. $88! sweeeet.
Whats the consensus on the drilling manifold while in the car from the bottom?
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Lucas, these pages were not apparent to me earlier, whatever you linked me too last time got me to the same site and stuff, but different stuff :P
$39 for a 712-2DWK Westach sender, and $49 for the Westach 2C2 gauge. $88! sweeeet.
Whats the consensus on the drilling manifold while in the car from the bottom?
you can't do it well, the mani should be off
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Lucas, these pages were not apparent to me earlier, whatever you linked me too last time got me to the same site and stuff, but different stuff :P
$39 for a 712-2DWK Westach sender, and $49 for the Westach 2C2 gauge. $88! sweeeet.
Whats the consensus on the drilling manifold while in the car from the bottom?
This is on a NA? I don't know where on the mani you want it but I did a NA installation on mine with the mani on the car, I think I put the probe in the #2 runner. Later after I did the turbo install-then-remove thing I moved the probe to where it could read from two cylinders and that required doing before the mani was installed.
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I think it would be possible to install it on an angle in the paths of 2 and 3 cyl's from under neath the car straight up.. but would this work.. drilling on a sort of angle.. have to get a good punch to start a good hole. and then start wit ha small bit eh.
yes an N/a.
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I think it will be less hassle to take the manifold off and then drill it. Or better yet, drill a spare manifold. Keep in mind mk1's are different then mk2
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I think it will be less hassle to take the manifold off and then drill it. Or better yet, drill a spare manifold. Keep in mind mk1's are different then mk2
Can we do it in your shop? ;) you want me to remove a manifold that has been on there for over 800k kms!?!?!? ARE YOU NUTS!? ;D
I dunno man, I am super afraid of stripping nuts, and all that good stuff that is associated with removing a Mani that is on studs. lol I'll try drillin it on the car.. if all else fails.. then i will remove it!
whats the diff between mk1 and mk2 exhaust manifolds? i thought it was just the intakes that were different?
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mk1 flange is centered between #2 and #3. Mk2 is right behind cylinder #3
Don't worry about mileage. It's a diesel. Your engine is all dirty and covered in oil right? :D
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what is the desired distance from the head to put the probe?
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You may have already discovered this, but since last I ordered my stuff (from the US) Aircraft Spruce now has a full Canadian presence and website with Canadian prices: www.aircraftspruce.ca (http://www.aircraftspruce.ca)
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I listened to Andrew and the guage moves almost as fast as my foot.
My mechanic was amazed at how fast it responded,.. and surprised the temps drop so fast.
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$39 for a 712-2DWK Westach sender, and $49 for the Westach 2C2 gauge. $88! sweeeet.
Oh, you're also listing the wrong thermocouple. The one you want is part# 10-01478 for $33.75. I just realized that's not by Westach, but it is THE ONE you want. ;)
Thanks for that, I don't have mine in front of me and didn't know if that was it or not. Looks like they also have one that goes down to 100, but also goes up to 1900 so you would lose the resolution. For the extra 100 degrees cooldown might be worth it??? Here it is.3A2-1 3-1/8" Square Exhaust Gas Temperature with a range of 100 - 1900F
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/11-00726.jpg)
Just realized it is bigger and the 2c2-1 does the same thing.
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I love the no-nonsense business look of the Westach gauges, and the fact that they come in practically any combination you can think of means you can populate your car with a single gauge theme!
Well, except the stock cluster, but the difference isn't so stark as to look odd.
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Wow guys a lot of gooood stuff! Thanks Andrew for the killer input! I think I have what I'm gonna order planned out
10-04142 WESTACH 2C2-1 EGT 100-1900F 52.75
10-01478 PROBE EGT 1/8 NPT 36.50
10-01229 WESTACH INSTRUMENT LIGHT 5.75
10-04147 WESTACH 2C2-19 EGT 200-1400F 52.75
Andrew I asked the parts rep at Aircraft Spruce and he told me that though the probe you listed will work with either of the two gauges I have posted, it would be best to stick with the 712-2dWK to keep it consistent with the gauge. What are your views on this? Why do you say to use the 10-01478 probe?
Turbine, I think the westach gauges fit right in with the black face white needle theme of the vw clusters. I think it will look sharp.
I think I will opt for the 2-1400 gauge as it is the same price, same size.. yet has a lot more usable gauge space.
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I think we should have a rule that states something like "if all else fails revert to what vince or andrew have said"
I got my setup *not yet installed* after consulting andrew, so whatever probe he recommends I would go for it.
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Thank-you Andrew for clearing that up :)
Rule/Fact. Andrew and Vince are smarter than Chuck Norris. Period.
So your sender and that 200-1400 gauge :) Plus the lighting kit, thank-you for your superior intellect Andyroo.
I understand what you mean now Andrew bout the gauge reacting that much quicker because of the less mass of the sender that has to heat up and tell the gauge "hey, its gettin a little toasty in here. BACK OFF MAN!". Sounds Solid.
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See Cheeseman I told you to go for it, now for just a tad more $ you are getting the best EGT out there. I give this thread the Big Boy seal of approval. *very bad photochop of me and the elby's big boy restaurant mascot*
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/61/l_2dcd408d4c33f65f93fdad78587c628c.jpg)
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Rule/Fact. Andrew and Vince are smarter than Chuck Norris. Period.
Does this mean we need to start a round of Andrew/Vince jokes? :D
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Rule/Fact. Andrew and Vince are smarter than Chuck Norris. Period.
Does this mean we need to start a round of Andrew/Vince jokes? :D
Like
Andrew, Vince, and Chuck walked into a parking lot and all the cars became diesels as they couldn't handle it.
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I've added this to the FAQ quick guide thread.
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Can anyone who has ordered the 10-01478 probe tell me how long the leads are? I'm thinking I'm going to need at least 10'. I'm planning to use this probe with a VDO pyrometer. Anybody see any problems with that?
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Can anyone who has ordered the 10-01478 probe tell me how long the leads are? I'm thinking I'm going to need at least 10'. I'm planning to use this probe with a VDO pyrometer. Anybody see any problems with that?
Ten feet!? Where are you putting the probe? ??? You transverse boys are even closer to the exhaust manifold than my longitudinal diesels are...
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Hey, I'm a longitudinal diesel guy too! I guess I just need to go out there and run a mock line from the turbo (toward the front of the engine) into the console. I figured 10' would give me plenty of room to work with.
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GET SOME OF MY 1/4 FIRESLEEVE FOR YOUR EGT WIRE....
GEE-BEE
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