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Title: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on July 03, 2017, 12:29:52 am
Hi guys.
As the subject says, these are the basic specs on my SB turbo diesel.
My question, is 25 psi too much for the stock internals??
I hope my conrods won't start bending anytime soon??

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Title: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: deepgrooves74 on July 03, 2017, 07:56:51 am
What motor are you running? 1.6 solid lifter or hydraulic?

There are guys on here that push their motors further... I built mine to the same specs as you. Plan is to run 20ish pounds of boost in my motor, but I also plummed in an AWIC.

Make sure to add an EGT sensor so you can keep track of the heat. That will be your biggest enemy.

I built my motor based on what the guys here are doing successfully. I haven't had the chance to run that motor yet. Hopefully within the next couple of weeks I will be finally putting the motor in to the car,  and see if what I did is reliable. I had Giles build my injectors and pump to push the motor to 6k with 30' of boost.

The first thing that will go with your motor will probably be your head gasket before your connecting rods. I only speak from what I've read not from experience.


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Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on July 03, 2017, 09:11:38 am
I'm running a FMIC. And it's a hydraulic motor. SB code.
I also have an EGT gauge. And oil temp. Along with boost of course.
Haven't really been able to do a prolonged run while monitoring these things. Since my CV boots are busted. The requisite parts are on the way. From US to Pakistan.
Additionally I'm also changing the thermostat to 80deg unit, and fan switch to 85deg unit. Because I feel that the stock 87deg thermostat and the 95deg fan switch are not exactly ideal for the Pakistan heat.
I've also changed the fan to an AAZ unit. With the 1st and 3 speed wired up. For more efficient cooling.

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Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: RunninWild on July 03, 2017, 01:20:25 pm
I think you'll be alright with that setup. 25psi from a k14 is on the upper limit for that turbo if I remember right. Do you have any mods to the injection pump? Like grooves mentioned egt is going to be the biggest problem. If you can get it to push that much boost/fuel with acceptable egt's you shouldn't really need to worry about the internals.
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on July 03, 2017, 01:26:28 pm
The max EGT I've seen up till now has been 750 degrees Celsius.
Pump is stock, with gov mod, two copper washers..
And the turbo was recently rebuilt by gpopshop. They asked me if I wanted an OEM rebuild costing $390 or HAD rebuild, costing $510. I chose HD. So, I'm hoping it'll hold on at 25psi

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Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: libbydiesel on July 03, 2017, 01:35:24 pm
I assume your EGT probe is pre-turbine.  Regardless, 1400°F sustained will kill your engine fairly quickly.  Cause of death will likely be a prechamber insert cracking and falling into the cylinder or cracks from exhaust valves to prechambers.  If your probe is post turbine, then your EGTs are waaayyy too high.  25 psi is very inefficient for the K14.  If you are running that much boost, IMO, it is the wrong turbo to use.   
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on July 04, 2017, 04:02:28 am
I assume your EGT probe is pre-turbine.  Regardless, 1400°F sustained will kill your engine fairly quickly.  Cause of death will likely be a prechamber insert cracking and falling into the cylinder or cracks from exhaust valves to prechambers.  If your probe is post turbine, then your EGTs are waaayyy too high.  25 psi is very inefficient for the K14.  If you are running that much boost, IMO, it is the wrong turbo to use.
The EGT probe is pre turbine. In the manifold where all four chambers meet before entering turbo.

So as far as I understand, I should reduce boost and fueling so max EGT is 650-700deg C?!?!?

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Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: libbydiesel on July 04, 2017, 07:11:27 pm
If you reduce both fuel and air (boost) proportionately, your EGTs will not change.  You need to reduce fuel and/or increase air to lower EGTs.  I think 1250°F (675°C) sustained is a good target.
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: kljaja on July 05, 2017, 07:10:07 am
EGTs climb as fuel to air ratio increases, if the ratio stays the same, you get same EGTs
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: Dubdoc on July 13, 2017, 03:22:12 pm
I've been running a T3 to 26psi for over 6 years now and have had no issues at all with an AAZ.
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on July 14, 2017, 04:04:55 am
Turbo is a goner.
It was making a weird sound for the last couple of days. Yesterday I removed IC hose and it was spitting oil like a bastard.
Considering changing turbo to T3.
Or going TDI. Will be writing to gpopshop too.
It last a 600km since rebuild.

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Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: RabbitJockey on July 14, 2017, 03:21:30 pm
well thats what happens when you overboost a small turbo
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: RabbitJockey on July 14, 2017, 03:30:49 pm
also you have a good engine i wouldn't go through all the cost and work of swapping to a tdi unless if the engine is dead. Swap to a t3 or he200wg. t3 will be the easiest and cheapest, he200wg will be the best but still priced quite well.  Also hello to you in pakistan, i have a friend who lives in rawalpindi.
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on July 15, 2017, 12:17:00 am
also you have a good engine i wouldn't go through all the cost and work of swapping to a tdi unless if the engine is dead. Swap to a t3 or he200wg. t3 will be the easiest and cheapest, he200wg will be the best but still priced quite well.  Also hello to you in pakistan, i have a friend who lives in rawalpindi.
Hello rabbit jockey.
Does your friend have a name??
If he owns a golf, then I might know him.

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Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: RabbitJockey on July 15, 2017, 12:51:13 pm
no,  i think he only has a motorcycle. His name is Usama
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on September 21, 2017, 07:56:17 am
So finally, turbo swapped.
Now running a T2 Garrett. SB turbo as it has the water cooling bit too.
Running a moderate 12psi boost.
What is a safe bet on a T2, 15-16psi?
And one more question with regards to the way my engine revs.
When I floor it, even when standing still, the rev counter goes to 4200 rpm smoothly, then at 4200rpm, there's a slight pause, or the rate of increase of rpm slows down for half a second. Then it starts to rev again upto 5000+rpm.
Why is there a slight hiccup?
Any ideas?
I'm assuming it has something to do with fueling.

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Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on September 25, 2017, 04:37:48 am
Bump...

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Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: RabbitJockey on September 25, 2017, 07:46:22 am
Im not sure about the your pause in rpms, but 15-16psi should be about right for a t2, especially if you are revving it that high
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on March 03, 2018, 05:14:12 am
If you reduce both fuel and air (boost) proportionately, your EGTs will not change.  You need to reduce fuel and/or increase air to lower EGTs.  I think 1250°F (675°C) sustained is a good target.
Hi guys.
When you say 675 deg Celsius sustained, how long is sustained?? 30 seconds?? 1 minute?? 1 second??
Like when I drive on the highway, the max I've been able to achieve is 146kmph while controlling pedal to ensure EGTs remain under 700C.

Please advise.

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Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: libbydiesel on March 03, 2018, 10:44:43 am
By 1250 sustained I mean adjusting the fueling so that if you keep the pedal floored for an extended period of time (several minutes) the EGT gauge does not go above 1250.  You should be able to maintain that temp as long as you like.  Fueling so that I need to watch the gauge and back off when EGTs get above a certain point is a recipe for damage.  It can take many seconds to get a correct high reading due to hysteresis, especially with the larger 1/4" probes.  Literally over two minutes later they still will not read actual peak temps... so, if you are driving overfueled and relying on the gauge to tell you when you need to back off, you needed to back off a minute or two earlier.  The next time you pull the head, don't be surprised if the pre-chamber inserts are loose and cracked and there are cracks running from the pre-chambers to the exhaust valves. 
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: RabbitJockey on March 05, 2018, 08:16:36 am
yes be cautious with egts, you're also only getting an average temperature across the 4 cylinders, 3&4 run much hotter, especially #3 runs hotter than the rest.
Title: Re: 25psi boost, rebuilt k14, ARP studs and AAZ MLS
Post by: phaetonv10 on March 23, 2018, 11:51:47 am
Now my EGTs are not crossing 680-690C. Fifth gear, full throttle, doing a 150+kmph, EGTs are sitting at 690C. So I guess that's OK now.

Now the sitrep is as follows.
Max boost is 11psi. But my car is not as fast as it should be at the top end. The max speed I've been able to do is 156kmph. If I had a long enough straight, it would've touched 160 but nothing like some of the videos I've seen on YouTube.

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