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Engine Specific Info and Questions => Non VW Group Diesel => Topic started by: maxfax on November 21, 2010, 10:46:09 pm
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I would love to have one myself, but I have too much junk and projects. My dad had many and loved them too. Let us know how it works out for you.
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I have too much junk and projects.
I do to.. I didn't really expect to end up with it.. Typically when I see one of them pop up somewhat closeby they are in far worse condition for far more money.. I bid $375 with expectations of going for around $600, kinda forgot about it till I got the email saying I won.. ::)
Guess the Rabbit will wait a bit longer now.. At least the price of scrap is kind of up.. Looks like I'll be hauling some junk out in the next few days...
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I can't believe it..........
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Rabbitman, you think that's unbelievable, check this out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER-RARE-1-49-V-6-DIESEL-98-REGENCY-COUPES-LOADED-/200544059931?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb15b821b (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER-RARE-1-49-V-6-DIESEL-98-REGENCY-COUPES-LOADED-/200544059931?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb15b821b)
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Well, it's clean... drop a LS1 into it and go terrorize Honda fanboys. :-*
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Rabbitman, you think that's unbelievable, check this out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER-RARE-1-49-V-6-DIESEL-98-REGENCY-COUPES-LOADED-/200544059931?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb15b821b (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER-RARE-1-49-V-6-DIESEL-98-REGENCY-COUPES-LOADED-/200544059931?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb15b821b)
Do you have a face shield to go with the flame suit? ;D
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Well, it's clean... drop a LS1 into it and go terrorize Honda fanboys. :-*
That is my though.. It's one heck of a sleeper (puts me to sleep just looking at it).. LS1 would be nice but a have several iron headed LT1 setups that I think would work good enough... And they were practically free.. 8)
Do you have a face shield to go with the flame suit? ;D
Are you saying I'm gonna need it when this thing blows apart in my face?? ;D
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so, is it gonna stay 5.7 diesel powered?
or hot small block powered?
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DIESEL awesomeness
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that would be prime for swapping one of the new duramax motors into...
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It's staying a 5.7 diesel for now... But if the diesel becomes an absolute abortion the backup plan may be to dump a small block in there and either terrorize the neighborhood or sell it... A duramax swap would be sweet, but those engines are still a bit pricey for my blood..
I feel that the 5.7 can be a decent (albeit slow) engine.. Talking with my parts guy today he still has a set or 2 of head studs and gasket sets from back in the day.. Translation - I'm gonna be gettin a hell of a good deal on them..
I'm hoping to go pick it up on Sat.. I'll finally get to see what kind of mess I bought in person.. IF the thing will actually run I may yank the heads right off and take care of that before I start to drive it..
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Studs first Brett ;) don't need a repeat lol. How do the 5.7's respond to boost??
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It's staying a 5.7 diesel for now...
Are those the diesel motors that are basically a gasser bottom end with a small dose of stupid compression thrown in there?\\
And I never knew those cutty's (sp?) came with diesels in them! That's a pretty sweet car!
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Are those the diesel motors that are basically a gasser bottom end with a small dose of stupid compression thrown in there?\\
Yes and no.. Much like VW and Mercedes diesels, they are similar in design to the gasser engine (which was the Olds 350), but have a heavier crank, rods, and block..
And I never knew those cutty's (sp?) came with diesels in them! That's a pretty sweet car!
Cuttys, Montes, Grand Prixs, and Regals all got em.. As well as all the full size cars.. It seems as though they are most commonly found in the full size Olds and Chevy cars.. I guess when you were spending for a fully loaded Ninety-Eight back in the day the few extra bucks for a diesel wasn't such a big deal.. OR maybe better said, it wasn't a big deal till it blew up the third time...
Studs first Brett ;) don't need a repeat lol. How do the 5.7's respond to boost??
No questions about it!! Head studs for everything!! (I even have a set in my golf cart!)
Turbos are a PITA, but I happen to know a gentlman that has done it.. He used a modified setup from a 6.5.. With ARP fasteners all over and the heads redone properly they will handle up to about 7-10lbs pretty well.. Going much over that prepare for head gasket trouble unless you drop the compression....
His '82 Caprice wagon has lived almost 150K miles towing stuff with 7lbs.. He also has a Cutty Supreme with compression dripped to about 20:1 and 18lbs of boost.. That one is a warm weather car only I guess..
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Please keep us informed of the progress on your new ride. We promise not to laugh...
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Do you have a face shield to go with the flame suit? ;D
Are you saying I'm gonna need it when this thing blows apart in my face?? ;D
Dad had a olds wagon (IDK what model) with the 5.7 diesel and all I remember is getting stuck when it wasn't very deep snow, that was always annoying. When he bought it the first thing he did was HG's and something in the IP was messed up so a local guy fixed it.
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Please keep us informed of the progress on your new ride. We promise not to laugh...
Thanks rs, I'll keep the updates coming.. At least this isn't going to be something I'll have to rely on for daily transportation. More or less it's just something to toy with..
Dad had a olds wagon (IDK what model) with the 5.7 diesel and all I remember is getting stuck when it wasn't very deep snow, that was always annoying.
That's kind of surprising.. I've had an '83 Caprice sedan, 81 Delta 88 coupe, '85 Monte Carlo, and currently a '93 Caprice wagon.. All of them would work like snow plows for me.. Heck last winter I didn't even bother with snow tires on the wagon... Only issue I ever had was over heating after the grill got packed with snow.. Maybe it was all the dieseley torque.. 8)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0SFu7cHibU&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0SFu7cHibU&feature=fvw)
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=gV5E11nZ0-A&feature=related (http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=gV5E11nZ0-A&feature=related)
;D 8) ;D 8)
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That is sweet! I wish my engine would idle like the one on the stand in the first vid ;D
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Kinda scarey how that thing's rocking the whole stand though.. :o
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HELLS YEAH!
I am currently in the market for a Cummins powered RAM.
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HELLS YEAH!
I am currently in the market for a Cummins powered RAM.
BAH! Look for one of the Mitsubishi powered Rams...Now that would be something to find!
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HELLS YEAH!
I am currently in the market for a Cummins powered RAM.
BAH! Look for one of the Mitsubishi powered Rams...Now that would be something to find!
mitsubishi mighty maxx... mid 80s.. turbo diesel baby!
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I was thinking the late 70's rams with the NA 6 cylinder..
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i didnt know you could get a mitsubishi diesel ram (in full size)
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It's INCREDIBLY rare. Here's a quickie rundown from Allpar.com About the same info is in a few of my auto history books
When the fuel crisis hit, Dodge was not prepared, and it took some time to fit pickups with a Mitsubishi diesel; that rare model appeared around 1978, the same year the D-150 and D-250 were introduced. The diesel engine used in 1978 (and possibly later) D150s, D250s, and Power Wagons was the Mitsubishi 6DR5, 3950 cc (243 cubic inches), with 105 hp at 3500 rpm; it was reportedly virtually identical to the Land Cruiser diesel engine of the time. This factory option (VIN code H) was a straight-six and came without a badly needed turbocharger, providing good mileage (reportedly over 20 mpg) but limiting top speeds. These engines do not appear to be listed in the Standard Catalog of American Light-Duty Trucks but are in the 1978 Dodge truck brochure
Read more at http://www.allpar.com/model/ram/ram-trucks-D.html?ktrack=kcplink
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Well I made it to Jersey and back without getting shot or raped by Snookie... Got my minty Oldsmoturd diesel sitting in the garage.. All I can say is WOW it's clean for an '81.. Even has a factory cassette (not 8-track) !! My buddy who went along did point something out to the PO and myself.. It's 2011, not 2001.. The car has been sitting in a nice dry garage for 16 years :o
Tires are cracked, brakes are nada, batteries HA!, oh and the fuel tank... 1/4 full of some nasty liquid worthy of burning brush.. I think it'll be coming off to be cleaned.. At least I can lay under the car and admire the vintage Zeibart that's still all there..
So as far as the engine I found some reciptes from '89 and on which is when the PO bought it.. About 4k miles before it was parked it stopped on the highway and it was towed to a shop.. they "cleaned the fuel system" and it went another 4k till it was parked.. I suspect it stopped again.. There is an electric lift pump installed bypassing the original mechanical one..
So I rigged a jug of fuel and a VW fuel filter up on it and tried to start it.. After allowing the left pump to run for several mins it would start and run for a few seconds.. About long enough to drain the fuel out of the pump.. Very VERY little fuel would trickle out of the return.. So I popped the top off the pump and hit the electric pump.. Fuel very slowly dribbles into the pump.. There was a fair amount of crap floating in there.. I *think* there is a screen on the pump inlet, I'm betting it's plugged..
I feel my best bet at the moment would be to tear the pump down clean it out and reseal it.. I'm sure otherwise it'll start leaking at any moment.. Anyone got suggestions for a source on Stanadyne pump parts?
Otherwise for the couple times I had it running a few seconds it had oil pressure, and no pressure in the cooling system... THe PO has the egr blocked off .. I felt that to be a nice touch..
THe other good finds have been a few unopened packages of fuses, an un opened tire pressure gauge (gold mine I broke mine the day before!) and an original pair of Blu Blocker sunglasses....
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pics?
sounds good, hope you can get it running with minimal effort and that it does not plague you with issues when it is running.
-Owen
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you found Blu Blockers in there?!
SWEET!
i havent even heard of those for years now..
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Yup! Genuine Blu Blockers.. This thing is dripping 80's....
Pics are coming.. I have it chucked in the small part of the shop, not much room to get good pics.. I hope to get the IP off tonight and push it out somewhere for now...
I'm kind of anticipating being plagued with problems.. IF from nothing else all the stuff that hasn;t aged gracefully.. I think after I have the engine running a bit and see how everything works as as I may pull it, have the heads CC'ed and worked over, arp fasteners everywhere, and replace all those dry rotted seals that are just waiting to leak at any moment...
I gotta say after looking a some of the diagrams of the DB2 pump that thing is hella simple compared to a VE.. I have a seal kit and a flex ring on the way for it.. I really wish I could find some info on modding it, other than turning up the fuel screw.. Maybe there's nothign else to be done to it..
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Got my IP parts about a week ago.. FINALLY got the chance to toy with this heap again.. Put the new governor weight retainer and seals in, but no dice on the running.. Pulled the pump apart and this time took the head apart.. Pits and chips on the rotor, and some marks in the housing.. The darn delivery valve is stuck in the rotor as well.. Looks like another casualty of the lack of a water separator..
It appears as though I'm going to need another head for this pump.. Still doing some searching around for one of these, but I'm thinking about the 6.2 pump I have laying around... I'm wondering how that would work with the fuel turned down.. Injector breaking pressure are supposed to be the same from what I can find.. It would just be a matter of the additional fuel delivered, I think... Not a lot of info out there about DB2 pumps like there is for a VE..
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it probably doesnt even deliver MUCH more fuel..
if it delivers more fuel, just turn the idle down..
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That's what I was thinking.. A 6.2 isn't that much larger, and sure as heck doesn't deliver that much more power.. I had read somewhere that there was 2 different 6.2 pumps.. One for HD applications and one for Light duty.. THe HD pump, which is what I have, was to have a larger delivery valve and plunger so that it *could* deliver more fuel..
I'll still be using the governor and advance mechanism from the 5.7 so the only thing that *should* be changing is how much fuel it'll be capable of flowing.. That might come in handy for the twin turbo installation... ;D
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will this thing handle that much compounded boost? or are you doing a turbo per manifold? Cuz *** that'd be cool too lol.
What do these big boys spin? 4k? a couple similar in size as a k14? lol or maybe a k04/k03 hybrid?!?
What do you have planned Brettasaurus ?
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One turbo per manifold.. ;) These engines will not hold more than about 7psi max, and that's pushing it... An electric turbo would probably be the best option for it to actually last... :P Being that it's a mid-sized Cutlass it's a pretty tight fit under the hood too.. I'm not even sure where I'm going to mount the updated fuel filter yet..
So as it is no plans for any sort of turbo on this thing, just running would be nice.. No plans of using this as a DD or for long trips either.. This is just going to be one of those toys to have for the sake of having something different.. Luckily the rest of the car is nice enough that I can get historic plates on it..
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Here's a few pics of the Gutlass..
http://s295.photobucket.com/albums/mm124/maxfax3/Cutlass%20Diesel/ (http://s295.photobucket.com/albums/mm124/maxfax3/Cutlass%20Diesel/)
The #$&*(#) birds have been having their way on it.. Time to get another shed cleaned out I suppose....
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Damn that thong is clean!
And I would kill for that hood ornament!
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Yeah, I'm all about that hood ornament.. Not at functional as the cross hairs they put in Lincolns, but cool none the less..
Other than needing some lube, the power windows work as well as the radio and tape player.. I'm pretty confident that A/C probably has no gas left in it.. I bled the brakes and they seem to be working for now.. I still think they're going to get a major overhaul though.. Now if I can get the GPs working and the pump in order I can find out what else does and doesn't work..
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Gettin sick of waiting for dipity doo to get me the 6.2 pump, however I was given a 6.9 pump the other day.. Guess I'll try my luck with that...
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I found one of them Olds yesterday :D
Big body car I think, She said something was wrong with it, and her parents left it behind when they moved out. Looks complete, and might run, but the rat poo is about halfway up the air cleaner...
There is a fancy Racor filter under the hood, so somebody cared about it once.
My main purpose was getting the 3-53 Detroit generator chugging happily again, and I got that done at least.
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Yum, rat poo! Ill bet the wiring and upolstery had to be delightful at this point.. That is a shame, diesel or not they were nice cars.. I'm still amazed that there is no evidence of rodents in this Cutlass.. Just damage from time..
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i recently saw for sale a olds 98 with a 4.3 diesel.. FWD.
it was awesome, wish i would have had 600 bucks. it was cherry.
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Damn! Just those engines seem to go for that and more on this end of the world.. I gotta see if I can find the link again, a fella swapped one of those into a Cherokee.. Did a nice job too...
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Damn! Just those engines seem to go for that and more on this end of the world.. I gotta see if I can find the link again, a fella swapped one of those into a Cherokee.. Did a nice job too...
that would be ***innnnnnn...
the 4.3 was a toro-flow engine wasnt it? had extra head bolts and stuff? was actually a decent engine wasnt it?
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the 4.3 was a toro-flow engine wasnt it? had extra head bolts and stuff? was actually a decent engine wasnt it?
You got it.. Unfortunately till the V6 came to production GM's diesel rep was already trashed.. Keep in mind that there was a 4.3 v8 diesel as well.. It was wretched like the 5.7
Here's the Cherokee build I spoke of.. Lots of pics!
http://www.gm-diesel.com/vbull/non-turbo-charged-diesels/27100-build-thread-fwd-4-3l-v6-olds.html?daysprune=60 (http://www.gm-diesel.com/vbull/non-turbo-charged-diesels/27100-build-thread-fwd-4-3l-v6-olds.html?daysprune=60)
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i have a soft spot for chevy 4.3L V6s tho, both gas and diesel.
i would love to drop a diesel 4.3 in my 88 4Runner..
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Finally got my service manual for this heap.. Apparently the '81 Cutlass had a "special" glowplug control system compared to the others.. SEVEN pages dedicated to diagnosis of this system.. I skimmed though all 7 pages and all I came up with is "install a button"...
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ford constant duty solenoid and a button for it!!
thats how my GPs are hooked up in my rabbit.. works great. might even need one solenoid per side..
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The best part is it already has the big solenoid.. Al the GP control system did was kick it on.. Push button connected to a ground.. And the wire to the solenoid is about 2" from the base of the steering column.. WHen they make it that easy to install a button, they knew the system was crap!
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Finally got a pump put together for this darned thing.. I wish there were some fun mods to do to these things, not too much out there other than playing with the fuel screw...
The PO of the 6.9 Ford pump had the fuel screw cranked in all the way.. Musta been a smokey bugger... I used part of the head from the Olds pump and made and adapter to put some air pressure to the rotor and push the plungers out so I could measure with the micrometer.. I set the distance as per a recommended spec from they guys at the 350 diesel forum.. (Yup, there is such a thing!).. Just a tad more than stock of course..
I noticed the 6.9 has a slightly different configuration of governor springs.. Weights and every thing else are the same, except possibly the spring in the advance piston.... Gonna keep searching and see of I can find what the difference is.. WOuld be cool if there woudl be some advantage of using the 6.9 Governor...
Now to get a chance to stick it on and see what happens.. Sticking some Ford parts in there has gotta help.. Might cure ALL the ailments of the GM 5.7 diesel.. ;D
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6.9's turned less RPMs i imagine.. about 3500...
didnt the 350's turn about 4 grand?
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Yeah, I thought the 6.9 was done at about 3500.. The 5.7 *could* turn 4 grand, but there wasn't much point in it.. With an earlier "D" block, I don;t think I'd want to...
The 6.9 governor is quite a bit different than the 5.7.. I was thinking about something like the gov mod on the VE pump, but if I'm understanding correctly on how the DB2 works there isn't any gain to be had there.. A larger delivery valve is the route to go on those, and the 6.9 head already has that...
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I just pushed the Cutty in the garage.. I gotta say it's a very nice easy car to push.. Could that have been part of the great GM engineering to make up for the engine? ::)
Now let's see how long it takes me to put the pump on... I think I'm going to try a different approach to getting the air outta the system, saw this mentioned a few times on the Olds Diesel Forum, pull the GPs connect all the injectors, crank till fuel blows out the GP holes...
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Whoops, 6.9 pump turns clockwise, Gm 5.7 turns counter clockwise.. Gotta swap the transfer pump....
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I wish I had a video camera for this triumphant moment... It lives.. And now that the fire is out, I'm gonna put that upper intake back on.. Sparks from the egr port + fuel in the intake valley = bad...
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Left her run for about a half hour.. No bubbles in the coolant!! 8) Throttle seems to respond well, no hanging at idle or crazy smoke, so I must have the max fuel setting in the ball park.. I ended up using the governor assembly from the 6.9 pump.. It has some external adjustment.. ;D Once I get the vac system back in order, and the brakes working, and the glow plugs functioning I'll have to do some road testing and see if I can blow it up..
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Got some time today to play.. Replaced all the rubber fuel line, cleaned the tank, got the VW fuel filter and electric lift pump mounted pretty nice.. Not a lot of room under the hood for stuff..
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm124/maxfax3/Cutlass%20Diesel/DSCF2246.jpg)
Screwed around with that nutty glow plug system.. My best guess is that the electronic controller is dead.. It does already have the large solenoid to turn the GPs themselves on and off, but simply connecting a button to that posed some problem.. This car has the GM fast glow.. ::) 6 volt glow plugs that are pulsed on and off.. Most of the time I could probably remember just to manually pulse them, but to be on the safe side I wired a turn signal blinker in the lineup.. Works perfect for now.. Some day upon a time I may just install the GP control system from a 6.2 or something of the sort..
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm124/maxfax3/Cutlass%20Diesel/DSCF2248.jpg)
Now to get some brakes..
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Does it have Hydroboost?(brakes run by power steering for the non truck guys)
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Does it have Hydroboost?(brakes run by power steering for the non truck guys)
yes, it does have HB brakes.. pretty cool if you ask me!
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I'm damn glad it has HB brakes too.. The vac pump is only necessary for the HVAC and cruise control on this one.. 8) All my old 70's Lincolns had HB brakes, and I loved them! They'd stop a 6,000 lb car with 8,000lbs hitched to the back in a heartbeat..
Got all the bleeders open but the left rear.. I cracked the line to bleed that one.. I have brakes more or less.. Still has some rust to burn off the drums and rotors.. I still plan to replace all the brake hydraulics though.. Everything is 30 years old, and has been sitting unused for 16 of them...
First drive wasn't too bad.. I took it up and down the road about 2 miles.. Those 16+ y/o tires are kind of a thrill.. I gotta say, it doesn't run too bad.. I'd say no worse than the v6's or some of the small v8's they used back then.. I do think I need to adjust the governor a bit.. Seems to hit the rev limit a bit early..
I gotta hook up the tach and timing tool and see exactly what's going on.. I had been givinen and old Snap-On LumyMag years ago, but only had adapters for GM 4.3, 5.7 and 6.2 engines... Never could get my fingers on the VW adapters for it... FINALLY I have something to use it on..
Now I can't decide whether to throw tires on it and drive it a little, or go ahead and pull the heads and avoid that dirty little issue...
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the governor on my buddies 6.9 was 3500...
6.2's got like 4200 or something, iirc..
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Just did some research.. Looks as though the 6.9 maxed out between 3500 and 3800 pending on year and application.. The Olds stopped at 4000, peak HP was made a 3600.. The 6.9 governor, however, is adjustable.. I did crank it up just a touch, but till I get the tack on there I'm not sure what I got.. I did adjust the TV cable to the trans which made a world of difference..
It seems I had another issue lurking as well which may have (and eventually did) cause me some grief.. I was driving around on the back roads all afternoon (no tags :-X) and the darned thing lost power and died.. Looks as though I may have missed getting some goo outta the tank.. I'm just glad I had that cheapo inline filter before the lift pump..
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Good ole General Motors, always thinking.. Poor fuel quality in the early 80's?? No problem! Let's put a bypass valve in the pickup screen in the tank.. When it plugs, fuel can still make it's way to the substandard fuel filter we installed...
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm124/maxfax3/Cutlass%20Diesel/filters/DSCF2263.jpg)
I'm glad I upgraded filters.. Now to get the tank clean again.. There's a baffle in there, I think that's where the remaining goo lies...
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Good ole General Motors, always thinking.. Poor fuel quality in the early 80's?? No problem! Let's put a bypass valve in the pickup screen in the tank.. When it plugs, fuel can still make it's way to the substandard fuel filter we installed...
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm124/maxfax3/Cutlass%20Diesel/filters/DSCF2263.jpg)
I'm glad I upgraded filters.. Now to get the tank clean again.. There's a baffle in there, I think that's where the remaining goo lies...
wow, i thought ford was the only one that did STUPID ideas like that, altho on the 6.9, they did have 2 filters atleast..
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I thought I'd seen something like this elseware.. I guess every manufacturer has to do stupid things from time to time.. If not, I wouldn't have this car.. ;) But yeah, they at least put a decent filter on the 6.9..
Got my tank cleaned.. Sanitizing acid as used on milk tanks for dairy farms mixed in with hot water does a wonderful job!.. Tank is spiffy clean inside now.. I did find a small leak.. Where the sock on the pickup rested against the bottom of the tank there was some rust.. When I first dropped the tank I noticed a gooey spot in the undercoating.. After cleaning there was the smallest of pin holes.. At least the tank was cleaned out that I could solder it..
Drove it around about 12 miles today.. With the trans adjusted, and the fuel system clean, the darned thing doesn't run *that* terribly bad.. Pulls out from a dead stop decently, get's up to 65mph without much of a struggle.. Punching it to pass is a joke, and no burn outs.. Even when I tried to brake stand it.. ::) True dual exhaust and some intake work would really wake this thing up I believe.. Gotta investigate why the TCC isn't working.. I'm not actually sure what makes it work.. Gassers used the ECM or a vac switch.. This has neither.. ???
IF the weather cooperates this weekend I plan to go after the car with a buffer and some wax.. I think I can manage to get some historic plates for it...
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TCC?
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TCC?
Torque Converter Clutch... This one had the TH200C which had solenoid problems in the early years.. I'm kinda betting that's the ailment with this one... Especially since you have to pull the trans to replace it...
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lol.. turbo 200's are garbage.. i cant believe they actually put one behind a diesel, no matter how weak it is..
why not just try and retrofit a turbo 350? or a 700R4 so you had an overdrive?
all you have to do is make a plate to connect the trans to the rear mount.. from what i remember..
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Not quite, he needs the Buick Olds Pontiac bellhousing pattern, so no 700R.
200R4 do OK in Grand Nationals that run 10s, they can do fine behind a 5.7.
TCC runs through a brake switch, and I think a high gear pressure switch on the valve body.
I forget what year you got, but if it has an ALCL, there is a wire for TCC command state.
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Not quite, he needs the Buick Olds Pontiac bellhousing pattern, so no 700R.
200R4 do OK in Grand Nationals that run 10s, they can do fine behind a 5.7.
TCC runs through a brake switch, and I think a high gear pressure switch on the valve body.
I forget what year you got, but if it has an ALCL, there is a wire for TCC command state.
oh yea, thats right, the 5.7 had a BOP bell housing.. the 6.2 and 6.5 had common GM bell pattern..
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BOP bell indeed.. I have a few BOP TH350's, but the 200 isn't actually such a bad trans.. Very efficient.. 96 lbs (one lb heavier than a power glide) and MUCH less rotating weight than the TH350, 400, and 700r4.. That equates to less parasitic loss through the trans... The design is actually much simpler than the 350, 400, and 700r4. Which is kind of amazing...
The 2 weakest points in the TH200 is the second gear band, and the lockup torque converters.. The clutch in the TC would basically explode and send garbage through the trans trashing the rest of it.. Second gear could be fixed with a larger servo and HD band.. The 350, the 400 and 700R4 also had a weak 2nd gear, except they used a roller clutch.. Not quite as weak as the 200's band.. There is a HD 29 element sprag that'll pretty much cure them under normal use.. But when the sprag lets loose, its another situation of garbage though the whole trans..
A 2004r isn't so bad either.. Still lightweight with less parasitic loss than a 700r4.. THe OD is the weak point in those.. Even with the billet intermediate shaft... I have considered one as a future upgrade, but anymore they are scarce in the junkyard.. There were VERY few 700's with the BOP bell, but those are hen's teeth.. Best bang for the buck if I want OD would probably be a 700R4 and an adapter plate..
Got my hands on some diagrams, the diesel's have a switch on the throttle linkage that cuts the power to the TCC under full throttle.. Then there is the typical governor pressure switch, and brake switch.. This one's an '81, no diag connector..
I though this switch was for the AC at first.. The PO had a jumper wire on that connector which I pulled off and re connected to the switch... I'm not sure if that's how he had it working, or if he was in the process of diagnosing it..
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yea, the turbo 200M that we replaced, had bad sprags, and it was still (somewhat) driveable.. you had to really baby it, but it worked..
it was out of a 77 chevy monza V8..
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The biggest advantage to the 200 with the diesel is that there is no vacuum modulator and control system to contend with...
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VW glow plug relay installed and working dandy.. I think I may have drilled my adapter for the temp sender a tad crooked.. Got to get another pipe plug and tray again, this time using the drill press.. :-[
Still screwing with the tcc.. At this point I know that I have power to the trans.. The TCC solenoid is grounded by the governor pressure switch.. In my tracing of the wiring diagrams to get the TCC working I found that the EGR is triggered the same time off the same circuit as the TCC.. With that info I was able to check continuity and resistance of the TCC solenoid.. Electrically, it looks good.. Now I need to rig a test light that I can monitor inside the car while driving, and see if the pressure switch is working.. IF it is, I'm back to a mechanical fault with the solenoid..
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I have too much junk and projects.
I do to.. I didn't really expect to end up with it.. Typically when I see one of them pop up somewhat closeby they are in far worse condition for far more money.. I bid $375 with expectations of going for around $600, kinda forgot about it till I got the email saying I won.. ::)
Guess the Rabbit will wait a bit longer now.. At least the price of scrap is kind of up.. Looks like I'll be hauling some junk out in the next few days...
Same way I ended up with my 1964 Checker Marathon. Threw a bid, and forgot about it. $510 for the car, and $800 to ship it..
Good luck with it.
Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
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1964 Checker Marathon.
I think we need a pic of that... ;)
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24 def F and no block heater.. Kinda sounds like some large angry animal growling, but it starts!
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yea, they sound worse than the old international IDI engines firing up cold..
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Indeed.. Very smooth though in comparison to the IH IDI.. Then again any of the IH engines I've encounted in the last few years have 3x+ the miles on them..
I was always under the impression that the 5.7's ran kind of rough in general due to inconsistent chamber volumes in the heads.. I'm kinda impressed at how smooth this one is.. This is the later DX engine, maybe they were better on that aspect.. Once I get around to yanking things apart I'm gonna have them measured just to see what I got..
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1964 Checker Marathon.
I think we need a pic of that... ;)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/smketrfdny/15327_1326263850783_1656535677_7944.jpg)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/smketrfdny/15327_1326263490774_1656535677_7944.jpg)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/smketrfdny/15327_1326265330820_1656535677_7944.jpg)
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1964 Checker Marathon.
I think we need a pic of that... ;)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/smketrfdny/15327_1326263850783_1656535677_7944.jpg)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/smketrfdny/15327_1326263490774_1656535677_7944.jpg)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/smketrfdny/15327_1326265330820_1656535677_7944.jpg)
theres a REALLY NICE one of these in Astoria..
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1964 Checker Marathon.
I think we need a pic of that... ;)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/smketrfdny/15327_1326263850783_1656535677_7944.jpg)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/smketrfdny/15327_1326263490774_1656535677_7944.jpg)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/smketrfdny/15327_1326265330820_1656535677_7944.jpg)
theres a REALLY NICE one of these in Astoria..
You Son of a gun. :) I saw Astoria and thought NY till I saw where you live... :)
I grew up in them. Wanted it done before my dad passed away but wasnt meant to be.
Stay safe, stay welll. Jimmy.
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It makes a joyful noise!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150299071954354 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150299071954354)
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Got the title for this thing finally.. Called my insurance company... WTH!?!?!?!? It's gonna cost almost 30% more to insure than my VW which is the most expensive at the moment.. And a tad over 40% more than the Caprice wagon.. I think I've just found the real curse of the GM 5.7 diesel.... >:(
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As soon as I posted this I got though to my agent again.. Apparently that price was for full coverage... Funny thing is she almost stressed that roadside assistance is included with that.. ::)
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So are you gonna keep the full coverage?
I was gonna say (before reading the full coverage part) when it goes BOOM and takes you and a child out with it, they wanna make sure your covered. LOL
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you should be able to add roadside assistance to any insurance plan for very little money.
mine is like $8 a year extra for a free tow to the nearest town(really nice in AK when the nearest town can be 70+ miles away)
-Owen
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Yeah the roadside assistance was like 7 or 8 bucks.. I just found it funny that she seemed to stress the roadside assistance for this particular car.. :-\
As far as the full coverage, I think I have to.. I'm in process of applying for an antique registration.. And if I understand these lovely government forms I have to have full coverage on that specific car when applying and after it's approved.. After it is "antiqued" I'd retain full coverage, but the cost will only be about $75 a year.. As it turns out my agent was on the right track as usual.. AS far as the roadside assistance, that isn't necessary and I think she was stressing to me that that was her mistake.. I have AAA so I really don't need it.. I think it would be cheaper than the AAA membership, but there it a lot of other perks with them I have learned to abuse...
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Does anyone know if the Stanadyne DB2 pumps ever got say a boost enrichment or altitude compensation device??? Maybe on some variety of industrial machinery?? As far as I have been able to find out via the WWW they didn't, but I thought I'd check and see if maybe, just maybe someone has seen something floating about out there...
I'm just thinking out loud here, no crazy ideas yet..
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ive never seen any LDA style of device on one.. not even the mechanical 6.5TD had one did it?
pretty sure all the 94 and older 6.5's were DB2 equipped..
are you thinking about boosting the holy bejesus out of the 5.7?! BOOST ER TILL SHE BLOWS!! (then drop in an AM GENERAL 6.5, if one can be had cheap enough)
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The pre electronic 6.5's had a DB2, pretty much a warmed up version of the 6.2 pump I think.. And no LDA like device on them.. Looked at a bunch of industrial and farm machinery, not much turbo stuff with a DB2 pump, and the few things I did find have no LDA like device.. So I'm guessing if something of the sort exists it made at the same factory that makes .020 over pistons for a 1.5 ..
Boosting the heck out of a GM 5.7 is anything over 0 psi stock, and 5 psi with mods... ;)
AS far as the Gutlass goes it's gonna be NA, it's just too tight under the hood.. I did however find a Buick Wagon on the cheap that already has a 6.5 turbo grafted on it on it.. Engine is a rebuild Goodwrench unit meaning it's the better DX block.. During the rebuild it had all the goodies done, studs, copper gaskets, heads CC'ed.. But the pump crapped out after a few thousand miles and the trans is questionable.. The rest of the car is fair.. I figure when reality finally sets in he'll drop the price down to my ballpark...
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The pre electronic 6.5's had a DB2, pretty much a warmed up version of the 6.2 pump I think.. And no LDA like device on them.. Looked at a bunch of industrial and farm machinery, not much turbo stuff with a DB2 pump, and the few things I did find have no LDA like device.. So I'm guessing if something of the sort exists it made at the same factory that makes .020 over pistons for a 1.5 ..
Boosting the heck out of a GM 5.7 is anything over 0 psi stock, and 5 psi with mods... ;)
AS far as the Gutlass goes it's gonna be NA, it's just too tight under the hood.. I did however find a Buick Wagon on the cheap that already has a 6.5 turbo grafted on it on it.. Engine is a rebuild Goodwrench unit meaning it's the better DX block.. During the rebuild it had all the goodies done, studs, copper gaskets, heads CC'ed.. But the pump crapped out after a few thousand miles and the trans is questionable.. The rest of the car is fair.. I figure when reality finally sets in he'll drop the price down to my ballpark...
thats the way to think about it!
a Buick Wagon? that thing would be cool with some stacks..
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'83 Electra Estate, with woodgrain! 8) Hmm stacks.. I guess you'd have to mount them up the very back corners.. Height wise they would probably come to right about the same level as the windshield on a Powerstroke Superduty.. ;D
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omg.. those wagons are B!TCH!N...
stacks would be perfect.. right up the rear corners. and enough fuel to make them belch coals 8)
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I scooped up something at the bone yard today.. It's an exhaust manifold from a mid 80's Olds 307 gasser.. Any reason why I couldn't use the oxygen sensor port to mount the thremocouple for an EGT gauge?
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I scooped up something at the bone yard today.. It's an exhaust manifold from a mid 80's Olds 307 gasser.. Any reason why I couldn't use the oxygen sensor port to mount the thremocouple for an EGT gauge?
as long as its the same flange style as the diesel, i dont see why not.. you could just weld a bung on a downpipe tho..
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The manifolds are the same other than the gasser one had the O2 sensor port.. It's the passenger side manifold so actually both banks of exhaust are going to flow by it..
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Old thread I know, but for those of you who remember this.. Just rolled 120K miles on my unmolested 5.7 D...
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The reason for that is that it is, as you say, UNMOLESTED!