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General Information => Upgrades (non engine related ) => Topic started by: SR Heer on August 30, 2012, 11:02:44 pm
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WTB - NTB Wanting or needing to buy an ACN, AON, ASF, or ACL 020 VW Transmission - 85-89 Jetta and Golf gearbox
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there is one at a yard here In kentucky I think they want 60 for it. Id charge you like 40 to go pull and about 90 to pack and ship. I think it has around 150k miles on it.
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does it have the bolt type tranny studs that allow it to be installed in a Mk1 trans mount system?
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I am interested - yes - does it have 90 or 100mm flanges - do you know what VW it is in?
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90mm I beleive 88? golf gasser.
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90mm I beleive 88? golf gasser.
all the ACN/AON/ASF/ACL trannies were 90mm..
if you want it to have 100mm cups, you gotta swap them on..
its not hard..
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Ok - thanks this is going into a Rabbit Pickup and once I swap them over to 100mm flanges I want to use the 80% Peloquin shim kit but what CV axles would I need to order - like for what year and make VW to fit 81 Mk1?
The ACN at JY needs to have the studded bolts or at least the treads for the studded bolts for tranny mount so I can put into Caddy - please check - thanks
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Are you talking about the three studs on the firewall side of the case where the ring and pinion is inside of? The asf i just put in my car has these so im guessing this one will too.
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I am thinking so - this is what they tell me - I will have to look to see if those are the ones that are used for tranny mount in Mk1 application
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if not installed... you can install them or use bolts...
keep the 90mm stock axles with 90mm flanges...
else 100mm flanges... set of 16v rocco axles and you still gotta clearance the hub or cv joint to fit... not so simple a swap... and costly as mk1 100mm axles are 16v rocco and a few cabbies after 89 had them... and mk2/mk3 are too long to fit...
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I was wanting to use the 80% LSD Peloquin shim kit - which is really only applicable with the 100mm flanges - so I can change out flanges and or find a Rocco ACN with them allready in - now as far as 100mm CV axles that will fit in a Mk1 - exactly what years and what cars was I to look for in Sciroccos - and then the later year after 89 Cabbys correct? Do you have or can you get any CV axle part numbers or directly point me in the right direction? Now you say there is still some clearnce issues with the Rocco 100mm to fit in? How would I adapt or what would I need to do to make them to fit? Thanks for all the info!!
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as pm said.. later 90mm joints same as 100mm except bigger diameter and deeper cup.. both are spring loaded and can swap out with ease...
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go read thread on 80% kit in upgrade section.
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Broke has a picture on his site; of an ACN trany that didn't have the holes for the rear motor mount studs,.. so in rare cases some did not have them.
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thanks - read thread -
Whats saying that since the 100mm shafts are a bit shorter - how much I know not but the concept is this - that one could put 90mm joints on 100mm shafts to come up with enough clearance to install an 80% shim kit thereon and use with 90mm flanges - so actually maybe the 90mm flanges with 80% shim kits would work best if hooked onto 100mm CV shafts with 90mm joints installed thereon??? Does anyone know the difference in length between the 90 and 100mm CV axle shafts???
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thanks - read thread -
Whats saying that since the 100mm shafts are a bit shorter - how much I know not but the concept is this - that one could put 90mm joints on 100mm shafts to come up with enough clearance to install an 80% shim kit thereon and use with 90mm flanges - so actually maybe the 90mm flanges with 80% shim kits would work best if hooked onto 100mm CV shafts with 90mm joints installed thereon??? Does anyone know the difference in length between the 90 and 100mm CV axle shafts???
the 100mm trans diff is about an inch wider, side to side..
so, i imagine the difference in the axles would be about a half inch on each side..
90mm CV joints dont fit right on 100mm axles..
they are way sloppy.. the 100mm units are THICKER..
so, even if you get the 90mm CV on there, there is still going to be axle stub sticking out of it.
100mm and 90mm CVs are not the same. the spline count and diameter are the same, but the 100mm unit is quite a bit thicker..
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Brother and I are making well over 150 ft.lbs of torque on our 1.9L's, his is probably closer to 180.. damn that thing has neck break torque. Squats the ass end down and takes offf.
Basically what I am trying to say is, we are both on 90mm axles.. They are not the weak spot, and will not fail.
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....until they fail.
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....until they fail.
I'd be worried about the 020 over the axles ;) lol. How many horror stories you hear about breaking axles?
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Yeah. I've honestly gone over a million miles on 90 mm cv's. I tend to pamper stuff though.
Best to stay away from the bargain-bonanza-o-matic cv's that a lot of these guys buy because they don't want to soil their fingers salvaging and prepping some good originals.
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Yeah. I've honestly gone over a million miles on 90 mm cv's. I tend to pamper stuff though.
Best to stay away from the bargain-bonanza-o-matic cv's that a lot of these guys buy because they don't want to soil their fingers salvaging and prepping some good originals.
It is why I bought the lifetime axles!! ;D
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I think the 90mm might be stronger than 100mm bigger outer circle torquing on same size inner shaft.
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Ok so great - my question is does anyone know of anyone that has used the 80% Peloquin shim kit on 90mm Mk1 axles with no problems after haveing ground down the CV axles stub ends? This is going into a Mk1 Pickup and I communicated with Brian at BrokeVW - he said that all he knew is that the 80% shim kits will at least work with the 100mm axles but not for sure on the 90s??? If grinding down ends on 90s solves Mk2 - ACN flanges from being hit and or torqued by Mk1 shafts then that is what I will use - Mk1 90mm CV axles hooking up to Mk2 ACN trans - other wise will need to go for the 100s - thanks for input!
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I'm going to install an 80 kit Wednesday grind down my 90mm ill measure it and post what I find out. searching the vortex might yield some more info.
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Ok so great - my question is does anyone know of anyone that has used the 80% Peloquin shim kit on 90mm Mk1 axles with no problems after haveing ground down the CV axles stub ends? This is going into a Mk1 Pickup and I communicated with Brian at BrokeVW - he said that all he knew is that the 80% shim kits will at least work with the 100mm axles but not for sure on the 90s??? If grinding down ends on 90s solves Mk2 - ACN flanges from being hit and or torqued by Mk1 shafts then that is what I will use - Mk1 90mm CV axles hooking up to Mk2 ACN trans - other wise will need to go for the 100s - thanks for input!
mk2 is wider than a mk1.. but the passenger side axle is a tad longer. drivers side axle is same.
i doubt there is enough room to grind the axle stubs down enough, and stilll get the c-clip back on the axle.
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Ok so great - my question is does anyone know of anyone that has used the 80% Peloquin shim kit on 90mm Mk1 axles with no problems after haveing ground down the CV axles stub ends? This is going into a Mk1 Pickup and I communicated with Brian at BrokeVW - he said that all he knew is that the 80% shim kits will at least work with the 100mm axles but not for sure on the 90s??? If grinding down ends on 90s solves Mk2 - ACN flanges from being hit and or torqued by Mk1 shafts then that is what I will use - Mk1 90mm CV axles hooking up to Mk2 ACN trans - other wise will need to go for the 100s - thanks for input!
mk2 is wider than a mk1.. but the passenger side axle is a tad longer. drivers side axle is same.
i doubt there is enough room to grind the axle stubs down enough, and stilll get the c-clip back on the axle.
Never said he was using mk2 axles lol.
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Ok so great - my question is does anyone know of anyone that has used the 80% Peloquin shim kit on 90mm Mk1 axles with no problems after haveing ground down the CV axles stub ends? This is going into a Mk1 Pickup and I communicated with Brian at BrokeVW - he said that all he knew is that the 80% shim kits will at least work with the 100mm axles but not for sure on the 90s??? If grinding down ends on 90s solves Mk2 - ACN flanges from being hit and or torqued by Mk1 shafts then that is what I will use - Mk1 90mm CV axles hooking up to Mk2 ACN trans - other wise will need to go for the 100s - thanks for input!
mk2 is wider than a mk1.. but the passenger side axle is a tad longer. drivers side axle is same.
i doubt there is enough room to grind the axle stubs down enough, and stilll get the c-clip back on the axle.
Never said he was using mk2 axles lol.
i never did either.. just stating that mk2s are wider, and the axles dnot make up the whole difference..
the mk2 trans is WIDER than the mk1 trans as well..
the distance from flange to flange is like +1/2"
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thank you ROR-20 - info from those who have been there and done that is better than Bentley - thanks again!
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I have an mk2 ACN in my mk1, why would the trans be a different size?
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since the 100mm flanges are of different configuration in depth or heigth compared to the 90s it stands to reason that measuring from outer edge of one flange to the other might not be the same length which comes into play when getting correct size CV axles - did you use Mk1 CV axles? do you have the 100mm flanged ACN or the 90mm - I was thinking of getting the 100mm because I wanted to install the 80% shim kit so was thinking of going 100mm flanged ACN but was not sure just what CV axles to use in Mk1 with Mk2 tranny - but if the 80% shim kit works fine with the 90mm flanged ACN after grinding of end of CV axle then that is the way to go! What do you think?
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I have the 90mm ACN, I also have brand new non oem axles on both sides. I would think grinding them down would solve it.
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keep in mind the passenger side isn't the issue it's the drivers side.
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otherway around - the longer one is diff
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I meant as far as worrying about it rubbing and backing the bolt out.
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yes - good to keep in mind and lets see - maybe in a few days some of us may find out for ourselves ( :
I wonder if there would be a way to recess the part there where the nut taps onto trans axle shaft - maybe grind that down too - between both being ground I bet the 90s would work just fine with 80% shim kit!
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No nut, it is a flat socket head cap screw, but yes I did that to mine as well and it is working on the 100mm. On the FSHCS you do not have much socket for the hex key to engage so don't go hog wild.
I will be moving this post as it has more in common with your other thread, and nothing on the sale part since I can remember.
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since the 100mm flanges are of different configuration in depth or heigth compared to the 90s it stands to reason that measuring from outer edge of one flange to the other might not be the same length which comes into play when getting correct size CV axles - did you use Mk1 CV axles? do you have the 100mm flanged ACN or the 90mm - I was thinking of getting the 100mm because I wanted to install the 80% shim kit so was thinking of going 100mm flanged ACN but was not sure just what CV axles to use in Mk1 with Mk2 tranny - but if the 80% shim kit works fine with the 90mm flanged ACN after grinding of end of CV axle then that is the way to go! What do you think?
uh, ACN trannies only came with 90mm flanges, unless you swapped them like me..
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one 87 Rocco 16V that I know of had 100mm flanges
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one 87 Rocco 16V that I know of had 100mm flanges
87 rocco never came w/ an ACN trans..
they never made a large input shaft/100mm ACN..
that trans was surely fitted to the rocco by someone else..
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ok - thanks for info ror-2.0 - I wonder if bbob 203 has installed his shim kit on 90s yet? - I don't know how to post pics here but if you wanted to look at my CV axle end spacings with C clip I can send some via email - [email protected] - anytime - just email me - I have checked various CV axles here at home and the 90s measured 3.14mm depth from end of axle to C clip while 100s meausured 3.74. So from these measurements it looks like ther would be more clearance gained when grinding axle ends by choosing 100s - but as theman53 also said he had to grind off "flat socket head cap screw, but yes I did that to mine as well and it is working on the 100mm" to finally get enough room for his so if one is going to grind both surfaces for 100mm then why not do so with 90mm alxes and trany if that will achieve what is needed as far as clarence for 80% Peloquin shim kit???
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someone just try and do this already..
or someone ship me a kit, and i will be the guinnea pig..
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I might just as well do it, I need more traction before the snow flies in October.
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I might just as well do it, I need more traction before the snow flies in October.
arent these shim kits stupid cheap?
can i make my own?
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shim kits are 99 bucks - one could easily enough add the 2.32mm thick washer - for 40% but for 80% shim kit one will also need to add retaining ringged cap with countersunk fastener - that would be tricky to make - unless one is a machinist - I would gind down the kit's countresunk fastner until almost flush with ringed cap which would give one about 2.0 mm clearance as this is what theman53 ground down to get his needed clearance
first three pic are of Mk1 CV axles - drivers side with 100mm on left and 90mm on right
last three pics are also Mk1 CV axles - passengers side with 100mm on left and 90mm on right
with 100s axle ends sticking up past C clip .5mm consistently more -
preload shim washer is 2.32mm thick - -
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I bought washers at the hardware store and bought the machined caps from peloquins for 25 bucks. haven't put em in yet though.
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Ok so great - my question is does anyone know of anyone that has used the 80% Peloquin shim kit on 90mm Mk1 axles with no problems after haveing ground down the CV axles stub ends? This is going into a Mk1 Pickup and I communicated with Brian at BrokeVW - he said that all he knew is that the 80% shim kits will at least work with the 100mm axles but not for sure on the 90s??? If grinding down ends on 90s solves Mk2 - ACN flanges from being hit and or torqued by Mk1 shafts then that is what I will use - Mk1 90mm CV axles hooking up to Mk2 ACN trans - other wise will need to go for the 100s - thanks for input!
mk2 is wider than a mk1.. but the passenger side axle is a tad longer. drivers side axle is same.
i doubt there is enough room to grind the axle stubs down enough, and stilll get the c-clip back on the axle.
Never said he was using mk2 axles lol.
i never did either.. just stating that mk2s are wider, and the axles dnot make up the whole difference..
the mk2 trans is WIDER than the mk1 trans as well..
the distance from flange to flange is like +1/2"
Even so if wider Mk2 trans flang to flang in comparison to Mk1s - it looks like to me that the 100mm flanges allow for more back and forth movement of axle due to point of hookup and deeper conical flang shape
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I should copy this then. I can get fasteners at my cost through work. I have Amish machine shop guys that would machine anything I want for cheap, especially 10 or more at a time. Hmm... You have me thinking.
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I thought o2a is the only one that is wider at the flanges, I don't know for certain but I remember it being discussed during death hares vr6 swap because he had an axle or both shortened. Biodome did his 24v swap the same way he said he used stock 16v axles with no problems. I will note Rocco axles are supposedly a few mm shorter on one side because the lower ride height
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Also it is possible to grind down the axles on the c clip flange part people going very low do this to help keep from binding and tearing up the flange hat seals
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I should copy this then. I can get fasteners at my cost through work. I have Amish machine shop guys that would machine anything I want for cheap, especially 10 or more at a time. Hmm... You have me thinking.
I bought washers with the same id as the brass rings the ones I found are the exact same diamter almost as the brass rings.
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The distance between between flange end edge to flange end edge on various VW 020 and 02A transmissions
Mk1 - 90mm - 23.5mm - FF 020 diesel trans
Mk2 - 90mm - 23.5mm - AVX 020 diesel trans
Mk2 - 100mm- 24.5mm - 2Y 020 close ratio trans
Mk3 - 100mm- 24.5mm - CTN 02A diesel trans
so the difference is one mm between shorter 90mm flanges used compared with the taller 100mm - therfore one would think with the 90s one would need to grind less or not much at all in comparison to those with 100mm flanges assuming the center part of CV axle as shafts are identical - I don't know for sure if they are but the appear equall by eyeballing them -
I am planning on installing 80% shim kit with ACN in Mk1 - does anyone know if the front hub bearing housing of either Mk2 or Mk3 or maybe Mk4 shifts outward just a bit more in spacing compared to the Mk1s? I could maybe use Mk3 or 4 hub housing with ACN and stock axles without having to be concerned about clearence problems??? Any comments?
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Nothing but mk1 hubs will work easily on an mk1.
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Nothing but mk1 hubs will work easily on an mk1.
mk1 trannies didnt use the conical washers, except the 84 trannies, and i believe only a few of them used conical washers..
all the mk1 5 spds ive come across, have no washers..
my mk1 4A 4spd has conical washers n stuff..
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Does anyone know how much slack or play a stock Mk1 or Mk2 CV axle should have - back and forth - in and out - or side to side so as to compare with new modified axles and shim kit after installation? Mine are out already - I was thinking about half inch? One could grip on a couple of visegrips to help in moving and measuring.
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Does anyone know how much slack or play a stock Mk1 or Mk2 CV axle should have - back and forth - in and out - or side to side so as to compare with new modified axles and shim kit after installation? Mine are out already - I was thinking about half inch? One could grip on a couple of visegrips to help in moving and measuring.
half inch of play is ALOT..
they might move in and out a half inch, but not up and down..
any up and down play is bad..
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bbob203 - I just wanted to check to see if you had any first hand results from your shim kit implimention
thanks for your time!
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90mm I beleive 88? golf gasser.
all the ACN/AON/ASF/ACL trannies were 90mm..
if you want it to have 100mm cups, you gotta swap them on..
its not hard..
Careful... I have an ASF, it came with 100mm flanges. Therefore I had to swap on 90mm.
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someone put them on then...
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90mm I beleive 88? golf gasser.
all the ACN/AON/ASF/ACL trannies were 90mm..
if you want it to have 100mm cups, you gotta swap them on..
its not hard..
Careful... I have an ASF, it came with 100mm flanges. Therefore I had to swap on 90mm.
those were swapped on by someone else.. none of the long geared manuals came with 100mm flanges factory..