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General Information => Upgrades (non engine related ) => Topic started by: theman53 on October 08, 2011, 08:55:39 pm
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Here is the mock up for the mk2,mk3 style mount. I am going to make a jig type thing to hold the engine mount without the cast Al piece so I know where it is supposed to be. It looks like it maybe easier than I had once thought, but I will hold my breath a little to make sure. VW of course made the cast piece so that they bosses are NOT on the same plane, or even 2 and 2 on the same plane, and that looks like the only hold up.
What you are looking at is a 1.6TD with a 1.9 head and my special turbo and intake. The turbo isn't bolted correctly as it cannot be. The 1.9 blocks should make it go easier as they are 16mm or so taller than the 1.6. Wdkingery will get the first one for fitting. After that I will probably make a couple to sell to you guys...except nathan_b as I don't like him, he is in an mk1, and he is probably above these mounts anyway.
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I dont really see the interference problem you are referring to. Perhaps you could detail? There is also a different bracket that is OEM and offset differently. auto vs. manual are different.. that might help or not..
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In the second pic you can see it some. The bolt hanging down out of the manifold I cannot get into the turbo as it is hitting the mount. The cold side of the turbo is also hitting the mount. You can see it if you look at the first and third pics, I should have taken a better shot.
Basically to mount a VNT or even flip a K24 or T3 *I think* you are going to run into engine mount issues. If nothing else getting the intake hose to clamp onto the turbo. What I am hoping for is to make the mount about 3/4" thinner so that all will work. I may go a to around 1" shorter and that would make the engine about 1/4" higher on this side if there are no other mount issues by doing this. This VNT is a bit bigger than the vw VNT's and doesn't have an intergraded manifold so I can get away with a little more possilby.
If someone has that etka thing and could confirm different engine mounts that would be great. The hard part should all be the same, but I know there were different rubber mounts.
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one thing i see here being a problem, is that you need a stock VNT15/1749V to be able to mock up too.. my turbo and manifold is way closer to the mount than that.
a stock mk2 engine mount blocks like 1/3 of the inlet of the turbo.. and they interfere badly. i think i have pictures somewhere. let me see if i can find them.
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191 199 354c is for a manual
191 199 354b is for an automatic
Not sure if thats going to help much, but it might be worth taking a look at.
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Just thought of something...
diesel auto is hen's teeth and probably not going to be VNT'ed
I have a pic of a T3 upside down and it looks like the bottom 1/3 of the inlet is covered. IIRC the VNT will be about 2" low and 2" out of the deck height of the block. If anyone could give measurements or donate a turbo for me to use that would be great.
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Those mounts are not diesel specific. Its either manual or auto. Fuel source does not matter.
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Those mounts are not diesel specific. Its either manual or auto. Fuel source does not matter.
But the chances of finding a car with an auto trans and a VNT hanging off the back of the motor is gonna be RARE.
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VNT mount tacked.
VNT 1749v and above for reference a can of beer and a GT2256vk
I would like to presell 10 at 75.00 each plus shipping. If I get bogged down with them the price will go up as it has been a bit of work so far. If I don't sell 10 I will finish what I have and call no joy :D Let me know what you think.
I will also post in the for sale section.
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No longer going to do this for GTD members.
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did one butt hole ruin it for everyone :'(
not that i have a mk2
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did one butt hole ruin it for everyone :'(
not that i have a mk2
to put it simply..
YES.
well, more like a handful of @$$holes ruined it for everyone. he may be offering some mounts for sale on the Whoretex tho, but thats still pretty iffy.
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I was probably never gonna need one but this still stinks. Anyone with a normal brain would've suggested the fix and then SHUT UP.
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I don't own a diesel mk2 anymore either but I hope the actions of the few don't dampen the spirit. Its projects like these that help the rest of us out in the long run as well! I have never seen a for sale thread go bad like that in a long time. The mod's on a couple other sites i'm on will immediately dink you for crapping in a FS thread.
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The mod's on a couple other sites i'm on will immediately dink you for crapping in a FS thread.
We don't really have any full time mods, they tried to quit but can't stay away so once in a while they step in and put a halt to this nonsense.......
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So let me get this straight. You guys would rather nobody said anything when a guy is talking about selling a part that can't possibly work without failing in short order? And that nobody should point out how to make this part so that it works?
If anybody wants one that will work without failing, I will happily build some since I am going to put one together for my home brew GTD.
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So let me get this straight. You guys would rather nobody said anything when a guy is talking about selling a part that can't possibly work without failing in short order? And that nobody should point out how to make this part so that it works?
Actually you got that partway right, were you failed is here.
Anyone with a normal brain would've suggested the fix and then SHUT UP.
You aren't the elected or proven quality control expert here, you've been all talk and no show if that makes any sense.
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No, I am just a guy who builds things, and has been for more than 40 years. I was trying to get the guy to fix his design and execution, because I was interested in buying one that would actually work. But rather than think about it or ask someone with fab experience he chose to take his ball and go home.
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well, im going to be building my own mount now i guess..
im going to build a jig with the stock motor mount, and go from there.. i dont have 40 years of fabricating experience, but i grew up in an aluminum fab shop. im fairly handy when it comes to fab work. not professional by any means, but i can cut, fit, and weld stuff no problem.
so, should we start a "battle of the builds" on mk2/3 VNT compatible rear engine brackets? ;D
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so, should we start a "battle of the builds" on mk2/3 VNT compatible rear engine brackets? ;D
No.. We crush all this German trash ans get Priuses.. Lots and lost of em!!!
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so, should we start a "battle of the builds" on mk2/3 VNT compatible rear engine brackets? ;D
No.. We crush all this German trash ans get Priuses.. Lots and lost of em!!!
no way man, your high!
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well, im going to be building my own mount now i guess..
im going to build a jig with the stock motor mount, and go from there.. i dont have 40 years of fabricating experience, but i grew up in an aluminum fab shop. im fairly handy when it comes to fab work. not professional by any means, but i can cut, fit, and weld stuff no problem.
so, should we start a "battle of the builds" on mk2/3 VNT compatible rear engine brackets? ;D
No, I will just buy one from you, since you understand how un-triangulated brackets are likely to fail.
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well i never saw any great pic of the design.. to even look for triangulation much less weld skillz.. but i have seen the $$$$$ version in person... and was unimpressed with it... will not say why.. as its rude to cretique something in those ways.. when it was not my coin involved.. or even a discussion between creater or myself..
when i built my mounts for the toaster i spent time making sure everything was boxed/triangulated so on.... most was done with my tig.. and still no issues after the 6k i put on them..
one thing i can say 100% after looking at the $$$$$$ version is its no small task.. the block is not flat.. the mounting ears are at different levels so on.. to triangulate it in a its not going to fail some horrid way.. will not be easy.. and never heard of the $$$$$ failing...
why...
the 3 bolt mount area.. not on bottom.. mount in way.. on top.. load is in wrong direction.. IMO needs to be a boxed design in that area.. no real way to triangulate it
the $$$$$$$ version was flat like this design..
no pics how he mounted it to block... so no commint.. not giving up $$$$$$$ set up..
did not see bottom pics of this design... so no idea of triangulation.. again no commint on $$$$$$$ one
i really think you all pissed on his thread with bad taste as there was no real good photos.. proto type in pic is a proto type.. things change when your building 10 vs 1...
i learned a few "tricks" building my 1 set of mounts to make my toaster use mk3 tyle over mk1.. if i ever did or needed to do set #2 would be way different.. but same function..
im only a couple hr away from him.. even offered him use of my tig if he wanted.. but pissing on a thread before there is a "final product" photo shoot... wrong in so many ways..
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No one was "pissing on his thread". I was trying to help him make his design workable but his ego was, apparently, too fragile for that. I have never built anything that could not be improved. This was not his lifes work. I did not say his baby was ugly. I did not call his mother names. Most of us would have likely responded with something like: " Oh, damn. You're right. I will fix that". He chose to be a crybaby and take his ball and go home. This list seems to have few technically proficient people posting regularly and it seems that many people here have thin skins. Many other lists are much more rough and tumble. This one has some good info and knowledgeable folks, but such a bunch of silliness to wade through to get to it.
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This one has some good info and knowledgeable folks, but such a bunch of silliness to wade through to get to it.
Indeed
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No one was "pissing on his thread". I was trying to help him make his design workable but his ego was, apparently, too fragile for that. I have never built anything that could not be improved. This was not his lifes work. I did not say his baby was ugly. I did not call his mother names. Most of us would have likely responded with something like: " Oh, damn. You're right. I will fix that". He chose to be a crybaby and take his ball and go home. This list seems to have few technically proficient people posting regularly and it seems that many people here have thin skins. Many other lists are much more rough and tumble. This one has some good info and knowledgeable folks, but such a bunch of silliness to wade through to get to it.
There is a time and place for your opinion and in his for sale thread was not the place for it! Its about being respectful to others and learning when to bite your tongue. After your first post when you stated your OPINION you should have practiced some Shut the F*ck up! Try it anyhwere else and the mods will likely bounce you faster than you can tell us about all your triangulation!
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A) He does not own the thread.
B) Everything I said was true and well reasoned.
C) I was polite but direct
D) If that hurts his feelings he has a very thin skin, especially for the internet.
E) If that bothers you, just click delete.
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the problem toby is this... his pics suck.. there is nothing i can see in them to have caused triangulation issues.. or weld issues.. so i cannot see how your panties got in a twist..
next ive seen in real life the $$$$$$$$$ version... you really need to buy one of them.. then i wanna see your opinions of this who issue...
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Countdown till this thread is locked... 10....9....8.........
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Should have been locked looonnnnggggg ago. Some notable tidbits scattered about but reads mostly like chest thumping.
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the problem toby is this... his pics suck.. there is nothing i can see in them to have caused triangulation issues.. or weld issues.. so i cannot see how your panties got in a twist..
next ive seen in real life the $$$$$$$$$ version... you really need to buy one of them.. then i wanna see your opinions of this who issue...
That is because he edited the post and took down the other pictures that showed the bottom of the mount complete with tiny gusset and bad welds. You are correct that the pics here show neither. They are not the ones I was referring to and all of my comments about the mount are gone. Interesting BBS where someone else can delete your posts. Makes one wonder if anything here is reliable if someone else can selectively edit your posts.
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the problem toby is this... his pics suck.. there is nothing i can see in them to have caused triangulation issues.. or weld issues.. so i cannot see how your panties got in a twist..
next ive seen in real life the $$$$$$$$$ version... you really need to buy one of them.. then i wanna see your opinions of this who issue...
That is because he edited the post and took down the other pictures that showed the bottom of the mount complete with tiny gusset and bad welds. You are correct that the pics here show neither. They are not the ones I was referring to and all of my comments about the mount are gone. Interesting BBS where someone else can delete your posts. Makes one wonder if anything here is reliable if someone else can selectively edit your posts.
post was edited. pics are gone. i even saw the pics and posted something about them.
sad thing was, i am the one who originally said something about the triangulation. he had told me about it before, about how there was gonna be a triangle between the pieces, so i said it was gonna be triangulated plenty good.
then i saw the pictures, and i uh.. questioned the triangulation, and the weld quality. the thread has been edited by more people than just Lucas too..
this thread is a complete waste of time now, and needs a lock/delete to happen.
im going to build a mount for my GTI/VNT/DIESEL, and it will be built like no other. hang onto your panties ladies and gentlemen. and if i post up any pics of anything on here, i always expect to receive criticism from them. most of the time its good criticism, but still, you get the idea. not every time is it 100% positive criticism from everyone..
anyways, i wish we had some full time mods, it sure would be nice to get this forum back to the state it used to be. a calm place where well knowledged people gathered to share ideas..
its worse than the vortex now guys. cant believe we all let it get this FU####G bad!!! its all a bunch of chest bumping, and a big war about whos penis is longest now..
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I vote for the delete and burn on this one. Moderator please?
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1st page had some moderately interesting info and pics for a good starting point, should try and salvage that delete the rest and locK it would be my vote! HECk no need for chest thumping lets all build one and post up pics for criticism! Who has a vnt they can give me so i can start mine? :P
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I am back.
I haven't read all of this, but I can imagine the way it went so far.
At any rate, I will sell to GTD members. I ordered 10 sets today that will be ready in a few weeks. I will weld them and sell them for 75.00 each plus shipping.
Good luck to those who want to build their own and "triangulate"=gusset the heck out of it. I understand the sentiment, but as you will find there really isn't that much room. It may or may not look like it but that inlet is really in your way...if you do want to connect an air filter. Like I said in my other post I will probably add a gusset to the bottom, but it is real close to the axle. The idea is good, I like overkill, but the goal of my mount is to be functional and affordable. Functionality being that you can hook up your stuff and it should support the engine. The only thing I am slightly concerned with is 1/4" plate going to be enough. If it isn't there really isn't room to go thicker, so take it or leave it.
BTW, I will gaurantee the welds. I will not comment anymore about it or get into any pissing match with anyone, but I know with my training and with what I have done to the mount I couldn't sell, I will stand behind every mount I perform...questions just ask the wife :D
If I don't sell a mount oh well...I have a small one LOL
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Damn, and I just put a down payment on a powder blue Prius.... :'(
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Its ok. I still love you...I have been drinking my home made wine, about half gallon, so I am in good spirits.
Powder blue?
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A manly hue is powder blue. To raise a stink wear pink.
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I love it pink
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It shows.
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you 2 better not start bickering again >:(
im tired of all of it, if enough of us get ahold of marc about the issues, he will probably just shut down the server..
we wouldnt like that now would we?
so, everyone, please do me/yourselves a favor..
AND BEHAVE YOURSELVES!!!
i kinda like having this forum as a resource, and i know many others do too, and i would be EXTREMELY PISSED OFF if a couple @$$ holes ruined everything for everyone just because they have to have a penis war..
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I don't ever remember bad mouthing theman53. In fact he did me a great favor selling me some parts this summer so I actually owe him that favor back. Maybe send him another Troll with Powder Blue hair to make him a set.
And yes the bickering sort of detracted the knowledge base here for awhile and I am trying not to derail threads as that seems to be my worst offense.
Back to status quo?
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I don't ever remember bad mouthing theman53. In fact he did me a great favor selling me some parts this summer so I actually owe him that favor back. Maybe send him another Troll with Powder Blue hair to make him a set.
And yes the bickering sort of detracted the knowledge base here for awhile and I am trying not to derail threads as that seems to be my worst offense.
Back to status quo?
i know you been being good. i was aiming that last post at Lucas and Toby..
its really sad, i used to be one of the worst users on the forum, as for tact and people skills, and now ive done a COMPLETE 180*, and now im one of the ones trying to defuse situations, unless someone tells me my logic is flawed, and i know its accurate..
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Somehow I scrolled right by Tobys response and thought your comment was directed at me. Need to slow the roller wheel down I guess.
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Somehow I scrolled right by Tobys response and thought your comment was directed at me. Need to slow the roller wheel down I guess.
hahaha.. gives a new meaning to the term "slow your roll"
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KEv, your logic is Whacktastic :) lol
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KEv, your logic is Whacktastic :) lol
im not sure if thats a good or bad thing?
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KEv, your logic is Whacktastic :) lol
im not sure if thats a good or bad thing?
always good tiko-brohey.
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Well I have the mount made. I did do the underside gusseting I was planning on. If you are interested I am going to be sending a couple off for testing shortly and once I hear how they fit up on car I will sell them to whoever I want to. Price is going to start off at 75.00 plus shipping. It will come with all the hardware to fasten it on the engine mount and block.
I stated testing on car as I know they will bolt to the block and to the mount. It is very tight as the holes are pretty picky but they all test and fit. What I am really looking at the test for is the half shafts. I don't have spare car to bolt all this up to to see if anything hits. I figure that it won't as I took many measurements off the cast stock one, but lowered cars and real world will be the actual test I guess.
Also, if I forget to tell whoever wants one, for whatever reason it goes on easier if you start with the top left bolt to the block if you are behind the engine looking at it. If you start it first it goes on like butter, if you start any of the others it is a pain, but you can still get it.
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hi
just to share that on my 1.9 passat the turbo fitted fine.
1.9d intake manifold and gt2052v welded to a 1.6gtd exhaust manifold(it will it the firewall no matter what)
just had to angle skim both manifolds on the side they attached to the engine to put the two a bit higher.
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Great job.
This mount is for people that have the vnt1749v, 1749va, 1749vb turbos and don't want to weld it to a manifold. I think if I wanted to use the same intake I have now, but I don't :D
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thanks.
why not to use the 1Y intake?
with minor mods(reverse the opening side) works great.
at least better than stock TD ones...
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thanks.
why not to use the 1Y intake?
with minor mods(reverse the opening side) works great.
at least better than stock TD ones...
cause if your turbo is high mounted like lucas's is, it doesnt work out.. the 1Y wont fit with a high mounted turbo, only a flipped manifold, custom manifold, or VNT will clear a 1Y manifold..
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I have a manifold from Finland that AKI 76 built. It will go on as soon as I make the VNT controller and hang the turbo...which will be pointed down. FWIW I also have a CIS gasser intake still on a 1.8
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I have a manifold from Finland that AKI 76 built. It will go on as soon as I make the VNT controller and hang the turbo...which will be pointed down. FWIW I also have a CIS gasser intake still on a 1.8
once you VNT it, you will want to use the 1.8 manifold..
you still running a full 1.6 arent you?
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I have a manifold from Finland that AKI 76 built. It will go on as soon as I make the VNT controller and hang the turbo...which will be pointed down. FWIW I also have a CIS gasser intake still on a 1.8
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lmfao..
guess i was having a dirka-dirka moment there..
obviously you will wanna use the Aki manifold..
im going to build one similar, out of a CIS 1.8 intake..
i dont have the balls to cut up my 5 cylinder intake manifold..
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Is there a lip on that intake manifold for the boost tubing to hold onto?
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Is there a lip on that intake manifold for the boost tubing to hold onto?
it appears that there is something machined into the inlet to hold the hose. if you hook a boost hose to a non-lipped tube, it just blows off.
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yeah there are 2 machined groves in the end. I have some really good T bolt clamps that hold well. I have my t bolt clamps that are holding my tubing now and they are doing great. I do have them buried into the next tube inside the coupler.
The big pain will be making the controller to go around that intake.
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I should probably take another pic since these are probably the final design. Chris on here had the best idea for making a box instead of the gusset idea I had, but I don't think there is room for it and it would have a weak spot where the bend is. So the gusset is what I did like I had planned on doing.
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yeah there are 2 machined groves in the end. I have some really good T bolt clamps that hold well. I have my t bolt clamps that are holding my tubing now and they are doing great. I do have them buried into the next tube inside the coupler.
The big pain will be making the controller to go around thru that intake.
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WOOHOO! mk2 TD swap, here i come!
(for real this time!)
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gentlemen, and ladies (if there are any reading)
this engine mount will DEFINITELY hold up..
after holding the mount in my hand, and salivating on it a bit, i have come to the conclusion that its plenty strong enough to hold up our engines..
i now have a motor swap ahead of me.. good thing my diesel still runs, otherwise i would be an unhappy camper.
anyways, im gonna go bolt it in place on my mk1, just to make sure it clears the turbo and everything, then im pulling the engine out of the rabbit, and fitting it with mk2 engine mounts.
anyone care for a build thread? or should i even bother? never really had a thread to go with any of my builds.. maybe i will document this build a little better..
anyways, 92 Jetta, 84k original miles, perfect body! ive always thought it needed a diesel..
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It should fit, I have a vnt 15 on the 1.6 and I test fitted it before hand. On the 1.9L I don't think I would need to grind it for clearance as it is just a fuzz that needs to be taken off. The thing only weighed about 5.5 lbs, so I hope it is enough to hold our 1.6 in there.
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It should fit, I have a vnt 15 on the 1.6 and I test fitted it before hand. On the 1.9L I don't think I would need to grind it for clearance as it is just a fuzz that needs to be taken off. The thing only weighed about 5.5 lbs, so I hope it is enough to hold our 1.6 in there.
well, it didnt. the oil line didnt let it even be put in the right position to be bolted up. had to trim the lower left hand mounting tab to clear my oil line, and im using a stock VW TD oil line, well the bottom half atleast..
once i trimmed the tab, and pulled my turbo it bolted to the block no problem.
there IS room for there to be triangle gussets on the bottom, i will be adding them. my dad said i may want to grind the welds down a bit too, and burn a nice fat bead on there, and do it hot, so it really penetrates..
it may have been fine from the beginning, strength wise, but i have this issue with building things overkill.. i come from a family of fabricators, and welders.
there will be no doubt in my mind that i will be able to pick up a bronco by that engine mount with a tractor after im done with it ;D
hell, like i said, the mount is probably fine, but being that if the mount breaks, my turbo is TOAST.. i dont have enough money for a new turbo, let alone a VNT.. so im going to make it clear my turbo so i can take the turbo off with the mount installed, and that it wont break, and leave the cold side of my turbo broken to bits.. lol.
that was the one issue i saw with this mount. if it ever breaks, its gonna wipe out your VNT..
one thing i was thinking of, did you fit it to a 1.6 with a VNT15? or a GT1749VNT? mines the 1749 variation.. maybe it has a tad bit bigger cold side?
anyways, i thought it was a bit weird when it didnt bolt up to my engine.. it should have, ive seen pics of it bolted to a 1.6 with a VNT hanging off the back, and clearing the mount..
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a good bump for this thread:
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SUCCESS!! finally have a TD in my Jetta!
not gonna lie, ive already done some driving, er, fantasy driving, without leaving the shop, or firing up the car.. LMAO.
im THAT excited about having my Jetta back.. ;D
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thats great,hope the real driving would be also great ;)
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thats great,hope the real driving would be also great ;)
its amazing actually driving it.. it drives so nice. way better than my old worn out rabbit.
and its a very clean install now that im somewhat finished.. im very surprised.
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there IS room for there to be triangle gussets on the bottom, i will be adding them. my dad said i may want to grind the welds down a bit too, and burn a nice fat bead on there, and do it hot, so it really penetrates..
Hhmm...... Is there an echo in here?