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For Sale/Looking For => Parts for Sale/Wanted => Topic started by: truckinwagen on January 19, 2009, 06:24:36 pm
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my buddy and I are going to have a local shop plasma cut a main bearing girdle for me (thanks to MJF for the cad file)
the shop charges a minimum of an hours worth of shop time, so I can have about 10 made for the same price as one, I would be willing to have more made(up to 8 more) for other people.
I am not looking to make money on this, just the cost of materials(somewhere in the realm of $40) and shop time($100 divided by however many get made) plus shipping, which shouldn't be too bad, I think I can get them into a flat rate box with USPS
if anyone is interested shoot me an IM, I am planning to do this in the next week or so, as long as I can get enough people interested to make the shop charge reasonable.
-Owen
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that would be a killer deal... i might be interested!
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I am definitely interested. I was going to start designing my own in the next couple of weeks. :lol: I would much rather purchase it at that price though. :twisted:
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well, I would like to have 8 orders, and I will wait to make them until then(I dint have enough cash for a full 10) and I will have to take money shortly before they are made
(the actual cost will be decided based on how many are interested.
shipping will be determined individually and packages will be shipped any way you guys want them to be( I am guessing that USPS will be cheapest)
so far two people are interested
P.S. I must note that these are in no way bolt up and go, you will have to find your own spacers and bolts, and if you want them to bolt to the block with more than just the oil pan bolts you will have to drill your own holes etc...
but the expensive machining and cutting will be done saving you lots of
money over the $500 ones that speed shops sell, and with a little time and effort they can be just as good or better performing.
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Is it one piece...as I think it is? I still have my block in the basement and may go for it if we can get the other 8 people involved. When can it be completed? 40 dollars material total or each? If it is each, what are they using? For all the bigger it is I say they are probably making some money there. If it is each, will that price come down if you get all the people so they can get a big sheet and all waste they can scrap.
If it is a total of around 40/10 + 100/10 = 14 dollars ... then count me in no matter what actual shipping is.
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thats 40 bucks each for the 1/2 inch plate, it might turn out to be a little less, but I need a better estimate of how many we will be making before I can get those nubers, and this is straight from the steel supplier, at the same price the shop buys it, so it is cheaper than paying the shop for materials.
the $10 is the $100 shop time divided by the ten girdles that will be made in the hour I will have to pay for anyway.
so it looks like $50 plus shipping, which given the alternative is quite a deal.
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well, I got my hopes up. I was looking forward to 14 dollars. Maybe you could PM me the CAD as I have several machine and welding shops that I sell to. 2 of them have water jet cutters. It isn't a bad price but once shipping is added...I have WAY too much in my 1.6L build now and am trying to stay married as I finish it. Also, how are they attached to the block then, do you have pics of what we are supposed to do?
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So this is for the 1.6 block only?
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Im in.
Cheap block insurance if you ask me. I already have too much poured into mine to NOT spend just a bit more to protect it.
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So this is for the 1.6 block only?
X2 and also, wrong place to ask but what does the girdle do and how would I install it?
if I can figure this out :roll: count me in for 1
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check out the "project jetta 200" for more details about the girdle.
they should fit the 1.6, 1.9 and any four cylinder vw gas or diesel with a shaft driven oil pump
here is the pic that MJF gave me of one installed
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee139/truckinwagen/IMG_2594.jpg)
-Note, the holes for the extra bolts holding the girdle on will not be cut or countersunk, as you will have to decide how many you want and where, but doing so should be easy to do with a drill/drillpress and the appropriate bits.
-Owen
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I'm in for $40...let me know...sounds like a dang good deal!!
8)
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I'm interested, but how do the main caps attach? Do they have to be machined to allow the girdle to fit against them tightly?
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the man caps sit beneath the girdle, you need to come up with a spacer to go on the main bolts between the caps and the girdle,
a piece of black iron pipe cut to the right length nice and square should do the trick nicely.
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That thing is like 1/4" thick..
There goes my ground clearance
:P.
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the one in the pic is 10mm
which is like 3/8 inch
I was thinking about 1/2 but if people would prefer I could make them out of 3/8 instead
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OK thanks for the info Owen :D
sign me up for 1 please :wink:
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so these people are interested:
Dirtrag2
RallyDiesel
53Willys
Kudagra
cyrus #1
anyone else?
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What exactly is its purpose? :shock:
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What exactly is its purpose? :shock:
just look at the pic of it installed. there isn't much holding the mains in place. you can get power robbing flex during hard runs, and that can cause serious problems elsewhere. too much flex, and then something will let go.
the girdle isn't really necessary for stock or even mild upgrades though.
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please someone correct me if I'm wrong here...
it keeps the block from flexing under high boost and/or torque . basically if the block flexes the crank turns into a banana shape thus putting pressure in main bearings and causing terminal failure... eventually.
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I was thinking about 1/2 but if people would prefer I could make them out of 3/8 instead
I think 1/2" is what I would want. :D
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thats it, and yes, this is for more than just a motor with a turned up fuel screw.
the girdle should really shine keeping the bottom end together when making lots of torque in the low end of the rpm range, or when boosting really hard,
but as said before it is insurance for any motor, and hopefully it should be pretty economical.
also if I can get a full 18 people interested, I can buy a full sheet of steel making the individual girdles material price much cheaper.
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Thanks for the explanation :D
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for $40 i'm in. shipping will hurt a bit coming to Canada, but you have to write it as a gift... as in you're being so generous in giving me a girdle, and i'm giving you $40 because your a nice guy :lol:
i might want two actually...
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sweet, posting to western canada shouldn't be too bad, which carriers will go across the border?
I am not trying to get rich off of this, just trying t help out some friends and make mine more affordable.
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So the oil pan bolts on with every other hole?
The other oil pan bolt holes are for holding the cradle on?
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the girdles will have the holes for the oil pan cut in them, I will leave the ones that hold the girdle to the pan up to you so you can decide what size bolts, how many and where you want.
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So new holes need to be drilled and tapped into the block, between the oil pan bolt holes, to hold this cradle on?
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if you want then yes, thats the idea, but since I don't know what everyone wants out of their motor, I will leave that to you guys.
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That thing is like 1/4" thick..
There goes my ground clearance
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That thing is like 1/2" thick so ya your draqgin pan for sure! 8)
Better be for making a skid plate, sure would suck to take out your pan.
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well, you should leave room for the road under your car anyway(no the road is not flat, it can often reach up and grab your car if you don' have at least A FEW INCHES between it and the important bits of your car)
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what about just getting some longer oil pan bolts???
any recommendation for the gasket between block & girdle? is there a rubber one for the 1.6/1.9 or is it just cork or windage tray?
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you should not use a gasket between the block and the girdle, they need to be solidly attached to each other, some RTV between them should do the trick.
yes you do need longer pan bolts, and if you are not going too crazy with power that would work to hold it on(the professionally made speed shop ones attach this way), but its own bolts would be better
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will go across the border?
US postal service should work well and be convenient for you as well.
as for customs/duty fees, jtanguay is right if you mark it off as a gift then no problems or just write $5 as value so if we have to pay canadian taxes it will be taxes on $5 :P
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i'll buy one for sure.
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ok, to make this easier to keep track of, if everyone interested can PM that would be cool.
I cant have the girdles made until next week because Alaska steels shear is broken, which means that all you can buy there until next week is full sheets, right now we don't have enough people interested to warrant a full sheet, but that would be cool, because the price for the girdles would go down.
so I will take PM's until mid of next week, when I will go and get a better estimate for the steel and let all of you what it will cost to have the girdles made.
-Owen
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is anyone else interested?
I would still like a few more people to make the best of the shop time
(still looking for three more)
if you want one and haven't yet PM'ed me please do.
-Owen
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Hey Owen, I will take one of those girdles off your hands. Let me know they are done.
Pete,
OldDieselGuy
Anchorage, Alaska
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will do, go ahead and shoot me a PM so I remember to get you one.
well, this brings us to only needing one more person to reach the 10 girdle requirement!
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well, with Old Diesel Guy (please send me a PM) we are now up to ten girdles!
I went to a different shop, Greer Tank, which has a waterjet for a quote on ten girdles.
Greer will be supplying the steel, unlike the other shop that wanted me to supply it. since Greer buys in bulk the price of the materials may be cheaper, and the waterjet definitely is a better cut than the plasma cut the other shop would do.
they will be getting back to me tomorrow morning with a quote, if it is the same or better than doing it with the other guys($50 per plate) I will go ahead and have them do it(we wont have to wait for Alaska Steel to fix their shear.
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Payment wise, do you accept Paypal?
For shipping costs, should we IM our address to you?
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well, with Old Diesel Guy (please send me a PM) we are now up to ten girdles!
I went to a different shop, Greer Tank, which has a waterjet for a quote on ten girdles.
Greer will be supplying the steel, unlike the other shop that wanted me to supply it. since Greer buys in bulk the price of the materials may be cheaper, and the waterjet definitely is a better cut than the plasma cut the other shop would do.
they will be getting back to me tomorrow morning with a quote, if it is the same or better than doing it with the other guys($50 per plate) I will go ahead and have them do it(we wont have to wait for Alaska Steel to fix their shear.
I would pretty much rather have a water jet version anyway...even if it was slightly more..
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paypal works great,
for shipping PM works good too, thats how I will be getting ahold of you guys about payment and such anyway.
I will know in a few hours what the waterjet will cost so I will get back to you guys then.
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I'll take two. and combine shipping with jtanguay if he's willing. :)
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well, the waterjet place wants $1900 for ten of them, so I will wait for Alaska Steel to fix their shear and have the plates Plasma cut.
since we have a bit of time, if we can find another 8 or ten people interested we can buy a whole sheet of steel and bring the material cost per plate down.
call all your friends!
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I'd be interested in 1 or 2. I am unable to buy them at this time though. Keep us updated and i'll let ya know when the time comes if i have enough saved up.
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Count me in for one at least...maybe two...do you need a deposit? PM me...
Joe
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whats the latest unit price estimation captain!
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I think we're between $40-$50 plus shipping. We just have to wait for the sheer to be fixed. 8)
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yep, $40-50-ish I will have a better idea when the time comes to get them made comes along though.
I may need a deposit as I don't have a huge amount of money to sink into buying the materials at the moment, but I will let you guys know when the final count is made and the last estimate is taken.
that being said, any and all who want one of these and have not yet PM'd me please do so I can keep track of the numbers for estimate purposes.
-Owen
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Im interested but im a little shaky about the making the spacers. Would someone be willing to cut an extra set when they make theirs?
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I suppose I could do that and just send them with the girdle.
there might be a difference between the spacer size needed on different blocks due to casting differences, but that could probably be dealt with by a little grinding of spacers and adding a few thin washers if needed.
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Im interested but im a little shaky about the making the spacers. Would someone be willing to cut an extra set when they make theirs?
If you're worried about making the spacers then you'll be pooping your pants drilling and tapping the block :P . Just get the machine shop to make the spacers when they drill the block.
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I don't really need one yet, but I'll take 1, possibly 2 depending on price. Never know when I'll get around to my next build, and I'd like to have them on hand when I do. I'd like to get the spacers, too, if possible. I know your idea wasn't to get into manufacturing, but I'll pay more for the extra parts.
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cool, shoot me a PM with the details of what you want and I'll keep in touch with you about the estimate as it gets made
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That thing is like 1/4" thick..
There goes my ground clearance
:P.
Will it really make a difference with ground clearance? that would be my only concern at this point.
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yep, the pan will sit a half inch closer to the ground than it used too, the girdle will act as a spacer between the block and oil pan.
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I don't think my build is awesome enough to call for one and i have no way of drilling my block so i'd have to pass on this one :(
Will be following the progress though! It'll be fun to see everyone's individual pictures of mounting them!
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Im interested but im a little shaky about the making the spacers. Would someone be willing to cut an extra set when they make theirs?
If you're worried about making the spacers then you'll be pooping your pants drilling and tapping the block :P . Just get the machine shop to make the spacers when they drill the block.
As mentioned before in the thread, I had planned on just getting extended oilpan bolts, and using them to hold it all together. Im not going to be running sick power, but would still like to have the added protection.
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I may make extra spacers available to those who want them for an extra charge, I am not sure how much now as I don't know how long it will take to make them or how much the pipe will cost, but I will let you all know once I have made a set.
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I would be interested... depending on the final price... what would they charge to drill a single hole between each pan hole... then we could chamfer or recess a step as we felt needed. if we DIDNT want the hole... we could fill it in with silicone.... shouldnt be a big deal.. but for some of us it would really help...OR chamfer... and find good allen bolts for us that match? then all we would have to do is drill and tap?
its a good cost... shipping to california? 96002
You might want to give a few more people time to order... shoot, you may end up with a few sheets to cut... what 36 of us.
right now I have a 1.6 n/a but would like a 1.6 turbo or a 1.9 turbo so Im only partially interested
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I suppose I could do more to the girdles, but I really don't have time to do too much work on them myself, between College and work most of my time is taken up already.
I could add the extra holes to the cad file and have them cut by the plasma table, but the chamfering would still need to be done by a drillpress.
I have access to one and I could do the chamfer for an additional charge, as well as supply the proper bolts to go with.
the only question is whether you guys want SAE or Metric threads on these extra bolts, I was going to go with SAE because I already have a big set of high quality SAE taps, but what do all of you quys have for taps?
which is why I thought I would leave all of that stuff up to you guys.
just let me know what you guys want.
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I would be fine with just the basic cut-out and the cap bolt holes. Drilling the perimeter holes/chamfers should be up the buyer IMO.
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I would be fine with just the basic cut-out and the cap bolt holes. Drilling the perimeter holes/chamfers should be up the buyer IMO.
help keep costs down too :)
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that was my initial thought, but if someone wanted more and would be willing to pay extra for it I might be willing to do so, like the spacers.
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cool deal, dont drill it, really even if it didnt bolt to the pan bolts at all it would still help by distributing the load from one compression stroke to all five main caps. honda did something like that....
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cool deal, dont drill it, really even if it didnt bolt to the pan bolts at all it would still help by distributing the load from one compression stroke to all five main caps. honda did something like that....
this makes me re-consider :P im still waiting on a final price
you can pick up longer metric bolts from anywhere yeah? like ... home depot...
i replaced the studs in the 1.6TD head with bolts and it was like the best thing i had ever done. just be sure not to strip the threads in the head.
looking forward to seeing where the cost ends up. If it's less than $50 CAD shipped to V3G 1J5 i'm a "Yessir" i think.
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cool deal, dont drill it, really even if it didnt bolt to the pan bolts at all it would still help by distributing the load from one compression stroke to all five main caps. honda did something like that....
this makes me re-consider :P im still waiting on a final price
you can pick up longer metric bolts from anywhere yeah? like ... home depot...
i replaced the studs in the 1.6TD head with bolts and it was like the best thing i had ever done. just be sure not to strip the threads in the head.
looking forward to seeing where the cost ends up. If it's less than $50 CAD shipped to V3G 1J5 i'm a "Yessir" i think.
well unless the US dollar takes a dive, its doubtful that it will be under $50 :( $50 USD most likely...
the way i see it, just drill holes for the oil pan bolts. once you tighten on the oil pan, the girdle will be extra reinforced :wink:
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thats what I plan to do, anything else is up to the buyer, or if they want they can get ahold of me personally and ask, I might be able to do some things for a few extra dollars.
and yes this is i USD, shipping extra, sorry, I am selling these to you guys for what they cost me, I will not be making any money on this, just spending less on my personal one because I have people helping with the shop time
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Oh i know. I'm not pining anything on you!
It's just ... I've already spent too much on it and i don't even know what kind of shape it's in now. I just replaced the rings and head with an AAZ head in hopes to fix it's anorexia. I'm hesitant to spend anything on it right now.
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I know the feeling, I slipped my timing and am now more than $1000 into the repairs with more cropping up all the time!
I will get a final price soon and you can decide then.
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Oh i know. I'm not pining anything on you!
It's just ... I've already spent too much on it and i don't even know what kind of shape it's in now. I just replaced the rings and head with an AAZ head in hopes to fix it's anorexia. I'm hesitant to spend anything on it right now.
And do you REALLY need one Ed?
Cool ya but the bottom end isn't a concern even in my car.
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Not a concern in 95% of forum member's cars....now. But it's nice to know you've got the strength (throw some forged rods in there) down the line. Plus, girdles typically run over $500 so I'm taking advantage of a great deal while it's available.
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Not a concern in 95% of forum member's cars....now. But it's nice to know you've got the strength (throw some forged rods in there) down the line. Plus, girdles typically run over $500 so I'm taking advantage of a great deal while it's available.
yeah that's my thoughts aswell....
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I totaly agree, had this been available when I was building my car I suspect I would have one.
I just don't see the need really other than to say I have a bottom end girdle. Then you may get some funny looks anyway. :shock:
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I totaly agree, had this been available when I was building my car I suspect I would have one.
I just don't see the need really other than to say I have a bottom end girdle. Then you may get some funny looks anyway. :shock:
lol
I just want to put girdle in my sig :shock: :lol:
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And I'm ok with that.
Heck I'll even tell people "He has a bottom end Girdle" :lol:
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I cannot personally wait to ask people "do you want to see my Girdle?"
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Oh i know. I'm not pining anything on you!
It's just ... I've already spent too much on it and i don't even know what kind of shape it's in now. I just replaced the rings and head with an AAZ head in hopes to fix it's anorexia. I'm hesitant to spend anything on it right now.
And do you REALLY need one Ed?
Cool ya but the bottom end isn't a concern even in my car.
Certainly not Dan :P
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Our engines already have forged internals.
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even though our engines have forged internals, they can definitely benefit from added strength, the bearing caps in particular are not designed for much more torque than stock.
now that my plug for the girdles is over, we have 18 or so girdle orders, which means that I will be buying a whole sheet of steel, we can still get another six girdles out of a full sheet, so if there is anyone else interested the cost of the steel per girdle will come down even farther(its in the $30-ish right now with 18 orders) the cost of cutting should sit at around 10-15 dollars regardless of how many we cut at this point.
I intend to talk to the machine shop on monday and buy the steel mid next week to be delivered to the machine shop next friday, so if you want a girdle please let me know by next wednesday.
thanks to all of you for making this a reality.
-Owen
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Our engines already have forged internals.
I assume you are referring to my post about putting in forged rods? I guess I should be more specific, I meant forged chromoly h-beam rods :o .
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even though our engines have forged internals, they can definitely benefit from added strength, the bearing caps in particular are not designed for much more torque than stock.
now that my plug for the girdles is over, we have 18 or so girdle orders, which means that I will be buying a whole sheet of steel, we can still get another six girdles out of a full sheet, so if there is anyone else interested the cost of the steel per girdle will come down even farther(its in the $30-ish right now with 18 orders) the cost of cutting should sit at around 10-15 dollars regardless of how many we cut at this point.
I intend to talk to the machine shop on monday and buy the steel mid next week to be delivered to the machine shop next friday, so if you want a girdle please let me know by next wednesday.
thanks to all of you for making this a reality.
-Owen
thank you!!!
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even though our engines have forged internals, they can definitely benefit from added strength, the bearing caps in particular are not designed for much more torque than stock.
now that my plug for the girdles is over, we have 18 or so girdle orders, which means that I will be buying a whole sheet of steel, we can still get another six girdles out of a full sheet, so if there is anyone else interested the cost of the steel per girdle will come down even farther(its in the $30-ish right now with 18 orders) the cost of cutting should sit at around 10-15 dollars regardless of how many we cut at this point.
I intend to talk to the machine shop on monday and buy the steel mid next week to be delivered to the machine shop next friday, so if you want a girdle please let me know by next wednesday.
thanks to all of you for making this a reality.
-Owen
Thanks a bunch and shoot me a total when you get one.
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Our engines already have forged internals.
I assume you are referring to my post about putting in forged rods? I guess I should be more specific, I meant forged chromoly h-beam rods :o .
Ok I understand now. Just wanted others know the factory ones are in fact forged. I'm more interested in one now since the cost is down considerably.
$30? Do you know how much shipping would be to 43402?
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I believe the $30 is the steel cost. There will be an additional $10-$15 charge for the actual cutting. :wink:
Thanks for putting this together for us Owen!
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yes, to clarify the steel cost is down to $30-ish, and the cutting will be about 10-15 dollars, so $40-45 total, less if more people are interested.
I will keep all of you posted on what's happening.
-Owen
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I talked to the machine shop and they are backed up with industrial work for a while, they will get back to me about getting the girdles cut sometime in the next week or two, so we will have to wait a little longer.
in the mean time there have been a few more orders, so the final price is looking promising.
-Owen
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I'll pay a few bucks more... like $15 each markup for your time. My time is worth something, so is yours. Everybody doesn't have to follow suit. So, count me in for 2 at around $65 each +shipping. I'm good with that. Is my math correct?
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I will have a better idea of what the girdles will cost after the machine shop gets back to me, I will let all of you know when they do.
if you haven't PM'd me yet, please do so so I can keep track of who wants what.
thanks,
-Owen
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Do you have a general idea what shipping to the lower 48 would be?
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I think they will fit in the $15 flatrate box, but I will go to the post office and check on monday.
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I've shipped some pretty heavy stuff in the straight rate boxes, I hope they fit, $15 is affordable.
Do you have to have the main caps machined smooth to work with the spacers?
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Do you have to have the main caps machined smooth to work with the spacers?
I don't think that you do. What I plan to do is find a set of studs that will be long enough to go through the whole assembly. That way I will be able to torque down the main caps separately from the girdle. Torque the main caps, install spacers, install girdle, sandwich assembly together. 8)
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now that is an interesting idea!
I will have to see if I can find studs of a good enough grade long enough.
more info on the girdles to come, still no word from the machine shop.
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well, the machine shop just fell through, they called me and said that they had an industrial job that went bad and now they are WAY backed up.
they did however give me a good reference to a local auto shop that has a CNC plasma table that might be able to do it.
so I will go talk to the new shop as soon as I get time(probably friday) and see if they are up to the task.
sorry for the delay.
-Owen
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update!
I talked to the new machine shop about pricing for a run of 24(we have 23 orders) or as many as can be cut out of a full sheet of steel.(they said that would be the most economical way to do it)
they will call me back with a quote around noon with a breakdown in prices(material cost, shop time, etc...)
the plasma table they have cant cut the bolt holes as they are too small to make a clean hole, but they will pierce the plate at the center of each making drilling a good centered hole with a drill press or hand drill much easier.
so I will update with cost per and payment instructions later today!
thank you all for making this possible,
-Owen
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ok, just got off the phone with the shop.
they can cut 23 out of a sheet of steel, which is perfect, but means that there will be no more orders on this run of girdles, if there is substantial demand again for them I will see about a second batch, but for now this is it.
the cost per girdle comes to $60, this is roughly half shop time and half material expense.
I think that this is a very reasonable price, and the shop can have them cut within the week.
I will be PM'ing all of the people who I got messages from regarding payment, I cannot afford to pay for the entire order of girdles, so I will be requiring that you pay me for the price of the girdle before I tell the shop to start making them.
it also looks like they are too big to fit in the flat rate boxes, as they are more than 12 inches long, so I will let you guys know what actual shipping to each of you is when I mail them and you can give me money accordingly
I hope that this works for everyone, if not let me know
thanks,
-Owen
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Paypal sent for 2 :D
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thanks alot to all of you for making this possible.
-Owen
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paypal for 1 :P
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thank you!
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by the way, if there is anyone ordering a girdle, living within 1-2 hours of Ottawa, On.
let me know... maybe we could double on shipping to save $$. I don't mind driving a bit to pick up.
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PAYMENT SENT!!!
let get these babies MADE!!! 8)
thanks Mark
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PAYMENT SENT!!!
let get these babies MADE!!! 8)
x2! :twisted:
Thanks for getting this going Owen!
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Payment sent.
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thanks a bunch to everyone!
there are a few more available because a few people have backed out, which I totally understand being a starving college student.
if I can I will have all 23 made up anyway so there will be a few available for purchase after the fact.
thanks again to everyone!
-Owen
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Wish i had the money my engine is going togther in a couple weeks and i would like to throw one in it. Keep us posted on how many extras you have.
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will do!
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still waiting on people to get these made!
the faster everyone gets the money to me the faster these will be made!
I would like to tell the shop to start making them by friday, so hurry up you guys!
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Send me a PM of what I need to send and where. I'd like to get one as I said before. Are you doing the spacers as well? (No, I didn't go back through the thread :) )
Joe
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right now I am just doing the girdle, I need $60 USD each for the girdles before I can get them cut, the spacers and such will be done after that and the extra charge for them will be included in the shipping payment should people want spacers.
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Count me in then...just sent you a payment Owen. Can't wait to see the final product.
Joe
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how many more do you need???
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I have received payment for fourteen girdles.
a few people have backed out, but there is still six left who have not sent payment or told me that they don't want one.
I might have enough to proceed anyway(although I don't want to, because my bank account is low as it is already), and sit on the girdles of people who have not paid me until they do.
I will wait until friday to hear from them, and then go ahead anyway.
if you have not sent payment for your girdle yet, pleas do soon!
-Owen
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I really need the money before I can have the shop make these!
please send it if you have not already!
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Owen,
Did you post over on TDIClub as well? Maybe I missed that...you could prob pick up a few there I imagine. I know of a few guys who could be interested as well. I will mention it to them.
Joe
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I did not post over there, there seemed to be enough people interested here to make it work, and i didn't want to deal with the shenanigans of coordinating on more than one forum at a time.
the extras that are being made will go up for sale on TDIClub and the vortex, but for more money as I have to put up my own money to have them made(need some returns to make it worthwhile)
that and you guys have been so much more helpful and nicer than the people on the other forums, I wanted to be nice to you guys and let you in on these at the lowest price possible
-Owen
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ok, I think I have enough payments to continue with getting these made.
as soon as paypal transfers the money into my account I will tell the shop to start making the girdles.
those of you that have sent me money already will get yours mailed to you as soon as I can.
those who have not sent me the money will get theirs mailed after they send payment for the girdle.
the extras will be available later for a slightly higher price due to the fact that I had to use my own money to get them made(and it is tight)
I really would like to have all of the people who ordered a girdle to pay before these get made, but I don't think that it is fair to make all of the people who paid so promptly wait for those who are taking their time.
thanks again to all that have made this possible!
-Owen
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I hope you charge way more for the extras Vs. the cost to folks who got in on the ground floor!! You should!!
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I am not sure how much the extra girdles will end up costing.
might depend where I sell them and how long I have to hold on to them.
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just talked to the shop, told them to go ahead with the test piece, they are going to cut one out of some thinner steel they have lying around to make sure everything looks good before burning 23 of them out.
so I will go in tomorrow and look at the test girdle(I'll take some pics while I am there)
then as soon as Paypal finishes transferrin the money into my account its Go Time!
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I did not post over there, there seemed to be enough people interested here to make it work, and i didn't want to deal with the shenanigans of coordinating on more than one forum at a time.
the extras that are being made will go up for sale on TDIClub and the vortex, but for more money as I have to put up my own money to have them made(need some returns to make it worthwhile)
that and you guys have been so much more helpful and nicer than the people on the other forums, I wanted to be nice to you guys and let you in on these at the lowest price possible
-Owen
Don't blame you one bit there. That is how alot of group buys seem to go. Again, I'll mention it to a few guys I know...and you should be able to sell some def. on TDI Club and the 'tex...even to 8v'ers with pumped up motors...
Price indeed should be higher for those not in on the initial run. Hopefully you make some cash as well!
Joe
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my intention is not entirely to make profit(although it would be nice), but rather to make up for the fact that I was not able to use the money tied up in the girdles for some time
you know, the time value of money and all that.
I may make another run after my tax return comes in and sell them on the 'tex and tdiclub, I just dont want to deal with those guys pre-paying and wanting things perfect yesterday.
much safer from my point of view to sell something already made.
but you guys are so cool about the whole thing, I wanted to make them available at cost to you.
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if you really want to make a bit of cash from the girdles, find a stud kit and sell it with the girdles. a lot of people like things that they can just bolt on. :)
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I might do that, there is a local fastener shop that I will be getting the bolts etc... for my girdle, I might get a few extra sets to include with the extra girdles.
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Are you gonna take a oil pan or VW block with you so you can verify fitment??
I'm getting excited...!
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I have a oil pan gasket, which will verify that they used the right scale factor and that the pan bolt holes are in the right places.
I am going to assume that if all the bits around the edge line up, that all the bits in the middle will too(as I have seen one make off this CAD drawing installed)
I am getting excited too!(I am having them make me the flanges for my exhaust and intake while they have the sheet on the CNC table as there is a little extra room on the plate! Yay!)
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Very cool. I'd go for the stud kit.
Joe
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I think people should pay for it. Cause they might try to wait it out then buy one after you fronted the cash. I'd buy one now and not be a waiter but i'm short on the cash. I give you props for shelling the cash out and getting this done. Good work.
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I Might be interested, but the project franken engine is sitting with brand new ARP main studs in it. Would suck to yank those suckers out and have to find a longer set.
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I have a oil pan gasket, which will verify that they used the right scale factor and that the pan bolt holes are in the right places.
I am going to assume that if all the bits around the edge line up, that all the bits in the middle will too(as I have seen one make off this CAD drawing installed)
I am getting excited too!(I am having them make me the flanges for my exhaust and intake while they have the sheet on the CNC table as there is a little extra room on the plate! Yay!)
I would rather see you go down there with a "ridged" template...but I guess a gasket will work??
is it at least the nice rubber oil pan gasket?
I'm probably just a worry wort :oops:
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nah, I would rather bring a pan too, but I don't have one off of a motor right now.
and as my car is in someone else's garage I cant go and pull the pan off it right now.
I totally understand people who would rather buy a completed piece with all the proper hardware, but I applaud those who have chipped in and made this possible.
the rest of you who have waited will have to pay more(but considering the $400 price tag on commercial girdles, the ones I will be selling will still be a hell of a steal!)
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just looked at the test girdle, He cut it out of 3/8 plate, and it looks good!
he ordered the plate today, so the girdles should be done by the end of the week!
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Ok some notes on the one I just installed on my engine.
1) longer bolts ran into the aluminum oilpans on my alh engine block and needed the pan cut back or a steel one hammered out.
2) Cut the plate to have a place for gasket material to go on both sides
3) make sure you have about 1/8" clearance on your crank to plate. This will also help shed oil from the crank
4) Heat treat the steel to make it slightly harder.
good luck cant wait to see it.
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just looked at the test girdle, He cut it out of 3/8 plate, and it looks good!
he ordered the plate today, so the girdles should be done by the end of the week!
so did they finish the girdles??? :?:
update bump......
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yep....kinda interested in hearing as well.
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They are still working on them, should have been done by yesterday, but hopefully soon.
I will be in that neighborhood later today and will go check for you guys.
sorry for the wait,
-Owen
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just talked to them and they have yet to cut the girdles.
they assure that it will be done in the next few days.
apparently I look like someone who doesn't mind waiting for days after the date I am told things should be done for them to actually be done.
I dont mind waiting for things to be done, I know that things take time, but the initial estimate should take that into account.
(sorry to rant, but this is the third shop who has put me on, telling me one date, and then another, and then another)
I will keep you all posted,
-Owen
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Ok some notes on the one I just installed on my engine.
1) longer bolts ran into the aluminum oilpans on my alh engine block and needed the pan cut back or a steel one hammered out.
What bolts hit? Main bearing bolts?
4) Heat treat the steel to make it slightly harder.
If these are being made out of A36 steel, it doesn't have enough carbon content to harden.
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sorry for the continuing delay, the shop assured me that the girdles are at the top of the list and will be done soon, and that they will call me the moment they are off the plasma table.
I will let you all know as soon as I hear anything from them.
-Owen
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Does anybody know how flat plasma cut plates will be? We use Water jetting frequently and laser cutting occasionally at work. The water jet leaves things perfectly flat.
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Does anybody know how flat plasma cut plates will be? We use Water jetting frequently and laser cutting occasionally at work. The water jet leaves things perfectly flat.
At 1/2" thickness, Plasma is pretty good edge quality wise and shouldn't do anything to flatness. Its has better edge quality than flame cut, but not as good as laser, or ultimatly water jet.
I run a small company that uses flame and plasma cut A36 regulaly as raw material that we machine into finished products. 1/2" is pretty stable for both.
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yeah, the test girdle they cut(out of 3/8 plate) looked really good, not like a waterjet, but still nice and clean with no obvious warpage.
I called the shop again today, but the guy in charge of the plasma cutter was out, I am going to go in there tomorrow and see what the hell is up.
when I originally talked to them (almost a month ago now) they made it seem that it would take less than a week to finish the project, but they never seem to actually start working on it.
I will have some definite answers tomorrow though.
sorry again for the wait, next time I will have to make a contract with a delivery date.
-Owen
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just got off the phone with the shop, and the girdles are cut!!!
I have to wait until later today to pick them up though, thye have to cool, and get the slag knocked off of them, but they are done! Yay!
I will take some pics when I get them and have them posted tonight.
I will start shipping them out tomorrow, international orders first, so I will have the actual shipping numbers in the next few days so you guys can pay me for shipping.
Thank you all again for making this possible!
-Owen
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just got off the phone with the shop, and the girdles are cut!!!
I have to wait until later today to pick them up though, thye have to cool, and get the slag knocked off of them, but they are done! Yay!
I will take some pics when I get them and have them posted tonight.
I will start shipping them out tomorrow, international orders first, so I will have the actual shipping numbers in the next few days so you guys can pay me for shipping.
Thank you all again for making this possible!
-Owen
sweet! post pics if/when you can :D
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ok, now I'm pissed!
I was told over the phone that they would be done by 4:30
I just wend down there only to find out that they guy making them left at 3:00!
and no one else knows enough about the project to give me the girdles and take my money.
I am going to go down there at opening time tomorrow and raise hell!!
not one of the finish times has been honored, and this time it really is aggravating because the damn things are done!
I'll update you all tomorrow when I am done giving the shop a piece of my mind.
-Owen
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Working with machine shops sure can be frustrating at times!
At least they are done, looking forward to seeing the finished product.
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Looking forward to seeing them as well. Excited to get mine for the Mk1
Joe
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well, I finally got them late yesterday, and they look great!
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee139/truckinwagen/P3220024.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee139/truckinwagen/P3220025.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee139/truckinwagen/P3220022.jpg)
I will get them shipped as soon as I can!
-Owen
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Excellent!
Look great. Do you have a fitted picture perhaps? Or, I'm sure that is coming!
Joe
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yeah, I just picked up a spare motor, so I can do a mock up and test fitment at some point, but that will come after my car rolls out of my buddies shop(super close, just need to tie up the brake lines)
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Holy crap! Those things are monstrous!
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what do you mean?
they are 1/2 inch thick, which should be ideal for stiffness without being unduly heavy.
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I'm just saying there's no way the block will be flexing with that bad boy in there. 8)
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I'm just saying there's no way the block will be flexing with that bad boy in there. 8)
:twisted: and thats what we want!
thanks again truckinwagen!
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your welcome!
thank you guys for making this possible!
I will be getting these mailed as soon as possible, but it might be friday before most of them get out, my class schedule is going to kick my ass this week!
-Owen
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very nice
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yeah!!!!!! that's great those look real nice!!!
I so excited to get mine!!
thanks for doing this Owen..
Mark
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Those are looking pretty awesome! Thanks again Owen!
I just had a thought about oil level. If you leave the dip stick and the oil pump in the same location you will be able to have a larger oil capacity. That sounds like a good thing. 8)
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Those are looking pretty awesome! Thanks again Owen!
I just had a thought about oil level. If you leave the dip stick and the oil pump in the same location you will be able to have a larger oil capacity. That sounds like a good thing. 8)
not come time for an oil change, but i suppose better capacity for soot means slightly extended drain intervals :lol: but you have a very good point.. i never thought about that.
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well, I just got the four girdles being shipped individually to canada, and it cost $38.25 each!!! :shock: :(
they had to be priority, for some reason you cant ship parcel post internationally.
so for those in canada, I am sorry, but it looks like $38 in shipping.
the three being sent together have yet to go out, as I have to modify a box for them, but they will go out later with the ones headed for the USA.
and for the one going to france, I will have that one out tomorrow afternoon and will let you know what it cost to ship after I do so.
-Owen
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$38 shipping doesn't surprise me. It's still way better than paying $450 PLUS shipping.
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Just wondering, have you weighed one to see how heavy it is? Silly question I guess as you must have weighed them when you mailed them. How much do they weigh?
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they weigh 11.5 pounds each.
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Shipping charges noted. I will paypal that to you sometime in the near future owen. Thanks again for making this happen for us! 8)
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Owen,
Just let me know what I need to send you shipping wise. Glad to do it. Is a hell of a savings vs. 450.00, etc.
Now to just figure out the hardware end of things :)
Joe
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well, I just got the four girdles being shipped individually to canada, and it cost $38.25 each!!! :shock: :(
they had to be priority, for some reason you cant ship parcel post internationally.
so for those in canada, I am sorry, but it looks like $38 in shipping.
Just to get this straight... you sent them COD or should I paypal you the 38$ :?:
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the shipping will need to be paypal to me.
I will PM each of you with your individual shipping charges as soon as I get them mailed to you.
it looks like all of them might be out tonight if I get lucky and get a short line at the post office (I don't have very long between getting off work and picking up my wife from work)
PM's are coming!
-Owen
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PM's sent to those whose girdles have shipped.
the rest will ship soon!
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Owen, does you paypal end with gmail.com or qmail.com?
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Payment sent for 2 girdles plus shipping.
Thanks, Jim
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Did you get the payment I sent Owen?
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yep, payment received.
not sent out yet though, I will do so soon, but school has been getting in the way
-Owen
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how do we know if and when you shipped??
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I have PM'ed every one that has been mailed to, I am sorry for the delay, I am mailing them as quickly as possible, but school has really put a cramp in my style lately.
I will have the last of them shipped in the next few days.
-Owen
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Cool. Thanks.
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I have PM'ed every one that has been mailed to, I am sorry for the delay, I am mailing them as quickly as possible, but school has really put a cramp in my style lately.
I will have the last of them shipped in the next few days.
-Owen
i think i speak for all (or hopefully :lol:) when i say that school is more important than us getting our girdles right away. i can wait a few days or more for mine :wink:
thanks again!
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got mine yesterday. Thanks a lot. Looks great
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Got mine too. Thanks for making this possible! Just an observation, I think it would be best for people to plane theirs flat before use.
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got mine...looks great...BUT X2 on the plaining/machining the surfaces flat..
thanks Owen....great job putting this all together 8)
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Mine arrived yesterday...a bit beat and battered (package was open...looked like it was dropped) but shouldn't be a problem since its going to get planed. Thanks again!
Joe
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Any more shipments heading out?
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yep, yours should be heading out today,
then all of them will be out!
sorry the postal service cant figure out how not to drop things, but being 1/2 inch steel, there is little they could do to really damage them.
-Owen
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Thank you sir!
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received with thanks :twisted:
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hi just wondered if there are any more bearing girdles for sale would realyy like one im in london uk if some are available i could see if any one else wants them on the forums im on in england ? let me know thanks ukcaddy
im running a 1.6td jr engine code from a golf mk2 1988
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all the girdles from the last run have been sold, I will be making another run in the fall though(august)
if you cant wait that long I can get you the CAD file so you can make your own.
-Owen
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Does the cad file have the hole locations in it? If so, please send me a copy.
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yep, yours should be heading out today,
then all of them will be out!
sorry the postal service cant figure out how not to drop things, but being 1/2 inch steel, there is little they could do to really damage them.
-Owen
Hey Owen,
I still have not received the two I ordered. Did they ship yet?
Jim
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yes they did ship, admittedly couple days late, but they are in the mail.
should get there in a week or two if all goes well
-Owen
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all the girdles from the last run have been sold, I will be making another run in the fall though(august)
if you cant wait that long I can get you the CAD file so you can make your own.
-Owen
Hi Owen,
Let me know if you have any troubles with the shop again. I do a lot of work with a local guy that does water jetting. He does very nice work, has a really good turn around and is reasonably priced... Another option can never hurt. 8)
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all the girdles from the last run have been sold, I will be making another run in the fall though(august)
if you cant wait that long I can get you the CAD file so you can make your own.
-Owen
Hi Owen, too bad I missed the first girdle run. I just read about it just now.
I'm still interested in one for my M-TDI Project. I was wondering If you could sent me the CAD file aswell. If not no problem then I'll have to wait for the next run.
PS I'm from the netherlands founder of the dutch Caddy forum.
Caddy-Clan.nl
Greetz
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no problem, anyone who wants the file just PM me your email address and I will email it to you.
and in response to an earlier post, yes the file does have all of the bolt holes in it.
-Owen
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anybody ever install their girdle? pics? mine is still sitting here :P
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Any new info on the girdles? I sent a pm about the CAD file...
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i just got one of mine back from the machine shop. had to spend 2.5 hrs removing over .040" material to make it flat. It's a beaut now!
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OOOHHH!! I have been waiting for this. I reaaaly want one. :o