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Engine Specific Info and Questions => TDI Engine -General Info => Topic started by: 935racer on July 11, 2007, 07:11:31 pm
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Check this out guys:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=167583&page=5
Now does anybody know where to find some?
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Dave,
I see what it says...thats crazy. Unless it was maybe off an industrial/marine engine...but that'd be pushing it. All the lit I've seen on the TDI industrial and marine engines and I could swear that they were still electronic control...and def. never a 12mm head/plunger setup.
There are variations of DI pumps out though that are "hard to find" that have the correct nose length, direction of rotation and even share the VW style gov. setup (a stock 4bt pump's gov. can also be setup to run VERY nicely in a weighted vanagon...not so much fun in a car) from other cars that are on the road.
On that note too....there are a few guys overseas selling the "mpumps" claiming they are OE for vanagon applications...
Makes me wonder what it is from as it def. isn't a 4bt pump base...
I'd be super suprised if it was a VW pump though...
Joe
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I have always been against "mechanical" TDI injector pumps, but I installed one in this car as it was an "out of the box" Bosch solution that wasn't a hybrid bastard of parts from different pumps. The pump is a factory VW pump from a 2000 somethingorother that is sold in the Farfrumhome market, so if you are ever in Farfrumhome you would be able to get one of these pumps, but for now I am going to hold the cards close and get some of these imported for sale in the fall... maybe!
I saw that too, seems like it couldn't be that hard to find with the clues he gave and a few international e-mails.
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It's probably a Volkswagen LT 2.8TDI (4cyl, 125HP) equipped with VE "mechanical" 12mm pump, it's the same engine as in Renault master and iveco daily, these pump have 12mm head rotor , but the rev limiter is not to 4500rpm, it is to 3800rpm, there is not VE12mm pump with a rev limiter higher than 3800rpm, but it's easy to rev over these limit with eagerness :lol: .
I ever succeeded in finding one of these pumps, they are very difficult to find one.
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lol...
Did VW make the farfrumhome? Sounds like something out of OZ :)
Anyways... its cool if its the real deal...but ask around about the concensus on things "mechanical" and "TDI" and you'll find that a good number of those that have had their pumps "built right" and have built them their selves are happy with their setups...
and also... if you start with a DI pump there is less "hybrid bastard parts" from other pumps thrown into the mix. Also, there have been tweaks that mechanical guru's have found with the mTDI setups of pumps, etc. that make things a whole lot more fun and better suited for the TDI engine. Not to sure as if I like that reference, but you have to no the character your working with as well (and I've spoken to FastForward before, he was interested in the 4bt pump back when I first started working on mine...).
The Country TDI is def. cool though :)
Joe
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Part number is: VE4/12F1900R693 (0 460 424 138) for a 2.8TDI VW pump.
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Send out the hounds and find a few of the pumps across the pond!!! That'd be cool...
Hmm...I wonder...
Joe
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the rev limiter is not to 4500rpm, it is to 3800rpm
I'll have to post up in that thread and ask him what the redline is :-)
EDIT- done.
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The "mechanical" pump has a red line of 4400 or 4500 - which I think is what the factory "electronic" TDI pump does.
The plot thickens, sounds like a sweet pump though...
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It's probably a Volkswagen LT 2.8TDI (4cyl, 125HP) equipped with VE "mechanical" 12mm pump
Whoa whoa, 2.8 4 cylinder??? Umm where can I find some more info on that engine?
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VW LT, cuick google find that it's a eurovan.
obviously can't call it a eurovan in europe, haha
2.8TDI, 158ps,
it's a common-rail, though, atleast in the mk2
2,789 cc 2.8 liters in-line 4 engine with 93 mm bore, 103 mm stroke and three valves per cylinder Power: 116 kW , 158 hp EEC @ 3,500 rpm; , 331 N·m @ 1,800 rpm Diesel common rail fuel system
"Lasten-Transporter (‘cargo transporter')"
I see nothing about the LT using a VE pump, unless I missunderstand how common-rail works? (single, common pressurized fuel rail with peizo injectors for each cylinder?)
oh, found it,
2.5L, not 2.8L, and 5-cyl
2,461 cc 2.5 liters in-line 5 engine with 81 mm bore, 95.5 mm stroke, 19.5 compression ratio and two valves per cylinder Power: 80 kW , 109 hp EEC @ 3,500 rpm; , 280 N·m @ 1,900 rpm Diesel direct injection fuel system
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Can't be a 5cyl, because this VE pump has is a 4 cyl model. I am familiar with the 2.5 van engines, rebuilt one not too long ago.
A 2.8 4cyl tdi sounds great, especially if it would fit in an early watercooled chassis.
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The pump is interesting.
I am more interested in the bolt on parts used to swap an 020 to an 02A.
What can you European guys tell us about them? Part numbers maybe??
Pic of the parts (http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/Parts_for_02A_cable_clutch.jpg)
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VW LT, cuick google find that it's a eurovan.
obviously can't call it a eurovan in europe, haha
2.8TDI, 158ps,
it's a common-rail, though, atleast in the mk2
2,789 cc 2.8 liters in-line 4 engine with 93 mm bore, 103 mm stroke and three valves per cylinder Power: 116 kW , 158 hp EEC @ 3,500 rpm; , 331 N·m @ 1,800 rpm Diesel common rail fuel system
"Lasten-Transporter (‘cargo transporter')"
I see nothing about the LT using a VE pump, unless I missunderstand how common-rail works? (single, common pressurized fuel rail with peizo injectors for each cylinder?)
oh, found it,
2.5L, not 2.8L, and 5-cyl
2,461 cc 2.5 liters in-line 5 engine with 81 mm bore, 95.5 mm stroke, 19.5 compression ratio and two valves per cylinder Power: 80 kW , 109 hp EEC @ 3,500 rpm; , 280 N·m @ 1,900 rpm Diesel direct injection fuel system
2.8TDI=158HP for the common-rail version, year 2003, code engine AUH, BCQ, but the older version 1996.... have 125HP code engine AGK.
Call a bosch shop and ask for the 0 460 424 138 :wink:
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look at this:
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b166/9golf1/Sanstitre.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b166/9golf1/lt2.82.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b166/9golf1/lt2.8.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b166/9golf1/2.8tdi.jpg)
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This is a pump I came very close to buying for only £100.
The engine is a Mercedes one, as the van is the same as a Sprinter. Its a 2 inlet port/1 exhaust port per cylinder x-flow. Its RWD too, so unlikely that the FWD bellhousing will mate up to it.
I tried a couple of years ago to find out about fitting in a Mk3, but the research basically found i'd have a lot of trouble with it.
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This is a pump I came very close to buying for only £100.
The engine is a Mercedes one, as the van is the same as a Sprinter. Its a 2 inlet port/1 exhaust port per cylinder x-flow. Its RWD too, so unlikely that the FWD bellhousing will mate up to it.
I tried a couple of years ago to find out about fitting in a Mk3, but the research basically found i'd have a lot of trouble with it.
Oh man a cross flow head too :twisted: I can't find any info on these things :evil:
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I have one of those vw 12mm factory pumps..new on the shelf. My friend in germany picked it up for me. It's off a 2.8L LT..the engine is actually a mercedes 4-cylinder. If I have time I'll dig it out and get the Bosch part #. I does not have a mechanical cold start advance.
I have a 11mm Ducato pump on my M-tdi..and it's the same thing, no mechanical cold start advance. I was worried it wouldn't start in the cold...but it fires right up in winter 10-20F outside. You just have to give it a little more fuel to increase the idle..but those damn tdi's are amazing in the cold. Out of curiousity I started mine up in the low 40's without any glowplugs...fired right up. Try and do that with an IDI VW diesel engine...not happenning.
I also have the 02A clutch conversion parts..with the manually adjusted clutch cable which are no longer available from vw...only the self adjusting ones.
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i picked up four 12mm pump heads from some cat skid steer engines I found at the scrap metal yard here in NC.....they are direct injection diesels so I pulled the cam plate also....they are not bosch but denso under license from bosch.....I'm going to put one on my peugeot pump I got from the UK....well see how it works in my 94' yota tdi M.....
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YOU CHAPS IN THE STATES SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THESE PUMPS EASY THEY ARE MADE IN BRAZIL AND THE ENGINE IS MANUFACTURED BY MWM NOT VW THEY PUT IT IN ALSORTS IN SOUTH AMERICA ANYTHING GM, AND IS CALLED THE MWM SERIES SPRINT 4.07 THEY ALSO DO A 4.2L 6 POT ENGINE THE 6.07, IF YOU LOOK ON YOU TUBE THERE IS ONE WITH OVER 400HP
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So the engine in this eurovan was actually a mercedes diesel?
my question is why do people say they are a bolt onto a tdi for a mechanical injection swap???? I would imagine that if the engine is from a different manufacturer that it would not be bolt on...
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Its NOT a Eurovan engine!
It's a LT engine, LT is the next size of van up from a Eurovan (or T4 as it is known)
VW and Merc built a van together, they shared some engines, some had Merc engines, some have VW engines.
The Engine in questions is actually a Merc engine and not a VW engine.
So, you are looking for Mercedes Sprinters.
(http://bioage.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/hybrid_sprinter_1.jpg)
VW LT models
(http://www.andaluciacar.es/images/i.vw.lt.front.white.05jul1.jpg)
Or, now I only found this while looking for Sprinter pictures but it seems it was also a Dodge Sprinter... probably to do with Merc's Crysler connections..
(http://www.accesssolutions-ky.com/images/sprinter_cci_02a.jpg)
From ETKA, you are looking for
AGK - VW LT 7/97 > 12/98 - 92kw 128ps
ATA - VW LT 01/99 > 01/02 - 96kw 130ps
VW part number is
062 130 107 and 062 130 107a for the ATA, the ATA appears to have a built in immobiliser, which if it's anything like contemporary VW's it will be dead easy to get past.
There are also the following engines fitted, but these are common rail.
AUH - VW LT 02/02 >> 116kw - 158ps
BCQ - VW LT - 05/02>> 116kw - 158ps
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HELLO............ THE ENGINE IS MANUFACTURED BY MWM IN BRASIL IT IS NOT A MERCEDES ENGINE
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Can inport what is this engine, It's probably to big to fit on a MK1-2-3, but the interesting thing is the pump.
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It's the common rail version, that give an idea.
http://cgi.ebay.fr/MOTEUR-VW-TRANSPORTER-LT-II-2-8-TDI-158-cv-2003-AUH_W0QQitemZ300180903233QQihZ020QQcategoryZ73633QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m118
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I've been following this thread a while and just simply asked an aunt who was travelling in Zlin, Czech Republic if her cousin could find me one of these pumps.There's a Bosch dealer right in town and they ordered me one, shipped from Germany.It was a little steep $2500.00 for a rebuilt one ,$4500.00 for a new one.I gave them the exact part # and that's what I got. She brought it right through customs in her luggage.She's 82, god bless her.
Forgive me as this is my first pic upload. Czech it out!
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg45/rbremiller62/DSC02346.jpg)
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Czech it out!
:lol:
Make sure your Aunt gets first ride in the mTDI :wink:
$2500.00 is quite a plunge, please keep us posted on how it works out on your TDI.
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I hope for you that is not a 450$ US china pump, the pump housing is very shinny, hummm...
The relief on the pump head are common for a china head, Bosch did not have.
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That was the first thing I had to promise her! It's shiny because it's covered with oil and my flash made the whole thing glow. Before I bought it , I spoke with the technician at the Bosch factory in Berlin (through a translator) who explained to me this pump probably came off a fleet truck from the north of Germany (Hamburg). All their pumps are rebuilt at the Berlin factory . The warranty is in German as is all the packing and packaging. Is there any other way of determining the origin?
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no the china one are almost identical to bosch.....
I'm sure you have a real bosch :wink:
My next set-up will be another M-TDI, i already have the engine here, if you can have another of this pump, I would be really interested.
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I may have another way of getting these pumps through a more direct route. I'll let you know in a week or so how I made out.
Rich
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no the china one are almost identical to bosch.....
I'm sure you have a real bosch :wink:
My next set-up will be another M-TDI, i already have the engine here, if you can have another of this pump, I would be really interested.
how's the PD engine Tintin? do you like M-TDI better?
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no, the PD engine is great.
It's just another project in a MK2 for fun, the ratio power/weight in a MK2 is funny.
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I hear you guys talking about the pumps made in china???? where do you get these?? are they a cheap alternative or junk? and has anyone actually tried them?
also anymore info on the ones from south american ?
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Hi Guys,
Have been reading posts and decided to rip out the ecu on my van as it was gosting me loads of money in pump rebuilds.
This is a Bosch 4 cylinder 2.8 11mm turbo pump I have just bought to convert my van from fly by wire.
If there's any interest I could locate some supplies for you guys over in the UK
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii133/alanwh2003/28VE.jpg(http://)
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Here are some pictures of the MWV engine:
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/itzdshtz/Pic00021MWV-1.jpg)
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/itzdshtz/Pic00025MWV-1.jpg)
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/itzdshtz/Pic00027MWV.jpg)
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/itzdshtz/Pic00024.jpg)
Looks like it is a heavy duty engine.
Herman
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looks like my dads cummins
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Wow, that thing is a beast! I wonder what kind of bellhousing arrangements it can come with?
Brendan
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If someones interested in a 12 mm factory pump i might be able to get a few, just ordered one for myself (i think, it lacks serialnumbers and I havent even seen a photo on it, but it was cheap :D ). Live in Sweden and I think there will be no probs to get pumps from here. I know at least ten pumps from different junkyards around Sweden. Anyone interested, just drop me a mail or PM and we can arrange something.
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We now have one of these pumps up and running reasonably well.
I will say that they are not a direct fit, there are mods you need to do.
It will nearly bolt on out of the box, (but the bracketry is different) and work but not very well, so it's not a direct out of the box solution, but it's not far off.
Not going to say what you have to do till we are 100% completely happy with it, at the moment I think we are 95% happy with the results, it's just a bit flat.
Someone asked in another thread, but it makes sense to keep the info together in this thread.
The Timing for this pump, on it's original engine is 1.75mm of lift @ TDC
The engine that this pump comes from is designed to run at 1 bar of boost (14.7 PSI) so the LDA won't be far off either, theres a decent boost pin in there too.
I don't get chance to tinker with it too often as the ownder lives 3 hours North of here, so when he's down to visit we tinker a little more.
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@Baxter: I've used these pumps for a couple of years now and I'm pleased with there performance. (my customers also) There are now 3 200+ HP engines running with them. I got one on my Polo 6N 1997 and as soon as I convert the transmission to 02S (Touran 6-speed) I can Install the big VNT again together with the big injectors. For now the small polo transmission is keeping me from high performance. The conversion is planned for 1/2 July.
(http://www.zwalve.eu/d/2372-2/CIMG0434.JPG) (http://www.zwalve.eu/v/Smoketail+Supplies/Polo+6N+1900D/)
Click the picture for the complete album.
I change a couple of things: Timing advanced mechanism, Govenor and the valves in the pumphead that go to the injector lines (don't know the english name at the moment)
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http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=232286 Price is better than 2500.
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@DA-BRT i have a one off those pumps would be interested to know what governor and advance mechanism's ,you use [was thinking of using aaz or the tdi if possible ],as the pump i have is governed @3800 rpm [came from fiat ducato maxi] also what delivery valves and were they changed just for ease of fitting to the injection lines as the ones on my pump are a bout 8-10mm longer than the ones on the tdi pump hope you can help do not wont to go down the electrical root always preferred spanners to wires
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Hello! je suis interese pour le jeu standard de supapes pour un LT 35, 2.8TD 96kw, 01/1999 ATA avec 3 supapes ( 2 supapes d'admission et 1 supape d'echappement).Merci