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Title: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on March 07, 2016, 10:20:09 am
Hey gents!

So here I am again. I've been stalking these forums for a few years now - bouncing in and out as my life and interests in what i wanted to do with my car changed.

Little summery, its an 84 Rabbit 1.6D NA. 5 speed.
My goals have always been, to keep this car as my daily go-getter getting awesome fuel mileage. Its gotten to the point however where I dont really ENJOY driving it anymore. At first it was cool, and different. Now it just feels slow and boring. With this said, ive been on the hunt for a 1.9 TDI to make an MTDI for a while now. Finally found an engine at an amazing cost - Originally told it was a tdi, but owner knew literally nothing about the engine -  if it was good or bad. All i knew was i would be building something so i didnt care.

With all of this said, i know the engine came from canada and im REALLY beginning to suspect it might be an AAZ. Can some of you help identify? This will be my build thread. I'm striving to make my car FAST. I want to squeeze every last bit of power and torque out as possible. Machine work, and whatever else required is NOT an issue. I will be building this over - time. I want my car to spin tires through 3 gears. I want to have enough top end pull to put a passenger back into the seat, and hard at 50+ mph if i want to.

Internals? Head work? Intakes? Here's what im starting with!!!

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Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: carrizog60 on March 07, 2016, 04:10:05 pm
you have a 1.9td.
the tdi head is not straight.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on March 08, 2016, 08:38:40 am
you have a 1.9td.
the tdi head is not straight.

Thanks!!! Okay so does that mean this engine IS an AAZ? 
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: vanbcguy on March 08, 2016, 10:40:28 am
you have a 1.9td.
the tdi head is not straight.

Thanks!!! Okay so does that mean this engine IS an AAZ? 

AAZ or 1Y... I think they're essentially identical internally.

Note that it appears someone has forced an imperial bolt in to the oil pressure switch hole on the head; that's soft aluminum with a hard steel bolt of the wrong size threaded in to it. 
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: libbydiesel on March 08, 2016, 10:49:21 am
The 1Y has the oil jets, but has different rods/pistons along with a different CR.  That looks like an AAZ to me as it has the turbo oil return line port.  It's easy enough for the OP to check, though.  Look at the block code. 
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on March 08, 2016, 02:03:29 pm
The 1Y has the oil jets, but has different rods/pistons along with a different CR.  That looks like an AAZ to me as it has the turbo oil return line port.  It's easy enough for the OP to check, though.  Look at the block code. 

I put a picture of what i think is the block code above. How do i reference this is there a website or something that i can figure this out? I need to know before i start ordering parts and whatnot.

And yes there is an imperial bolt in there. I'll be sending a tap through those threads just to make sure their clean once the head comes off. Complete dissasembly down to the block will be starting soon i hope!!!  Any comments from anyone on how i can make this thing an ANIMAL of an engine for my little rabbit?  Recommendations on how much to bore, what internals to use ( forged etc ? ), how to get the compression up, what internals on the head should i start looking into ?  Valves? bigger valves?  Im an internal engine newb here guys. This will be my first COMPLETE engine build myself. Mainly most important will be figuring what im going to be doing to the block so i can get pricing from the machine shop.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: RabbitJockey on March 08, 2016, 02:37:44 pm
aftermarket rods for a 1.9tdi should work, and id use all arp hardware for the bottom end.  for the head, id recommend porting it, and for the valve train you will want to talk to techtonics tuning, i don't think larger valves are really necessary but you will want to make sure you have the 7mm valve stems, and use an aftermarket cam like the dr diesel cam that giles sells.  also inspect the precombustion chambers in the head, if there are any cracks or if they have been milled down to the head surface then you should replace them.   if you do all that you should have a pretty solid long block for making good power.  then you must decide on your turbo and manifold choices,and of course who will build your performance pump.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on March 08, 2016, 03:39:30 pm
aftermarket rods for a 1.9tdi should work, and id use all arp hardware for the bottom end.  for the head, id recommend porting it, and for the valve train you will want to talk to techtonics tuning, i don't think larger valves are really necessary but you will want to make sure you have the 7mm valve stems, and use an aftermarket cam like the dr diesel cam that giles sells.  also inspect the precombustion chambers in the head, if there are any cracks or if they have been milled down to the head surface then you should replace them.   if you do all that you should have a pretty solid long block for making good power.  then you must decide on your turbo and manifold choices,and of course who will build your performance pump.
Thanks for all of this info. Im not quite ready for it yet.....but eventually I will really need to sit down and put together a parts list. I've heard of getting pistons coated in some new high tech coating in diesel engines to raise compression.....Is this something that can be done on these engines also? I've seen that pistons are sold for as much as .050 overbore.......That would be a serious increase in displacement...agreed? Thats certainly something i would be willing to look into.

This is going to be a slow build.......Order parts as i get money, and eventually hopefully hopefully wind up with a complete engine within a years time or so to drop into the old bunny.
As for the pump - I still need to ACQUIRE one - Any info on which pump would be ideal for making serious amounts of power? I will presume.....that i will be giving it to no other than Giles to build for me.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: vanbcguy on March 08, 2016, 06:35:12 pm
The actual block code is the engine code, AAZ or 1Y. It's stamped on to a pad on the block rather than cast in like the picture you showed.

I'm sensing some gasser thoughts in your head that you're trying to apply to a diesel - you mention increasing compression for instance. There's actually a lot less to do on these engines to make decent power, most of the power potential is actually in the choice of turbo and intercooler. I would resist massively over boring too, there is only so much meat in these blocks. It isn't like an old school V8 where they were made so crudely you could often go wayyyy over safely.

I doubt you can find anything more than a 1mm (0.25ish") oversize piston. There may be 1.5 mm but that's pretty extreme. As mentioned though the exterior stuff is where the most potential lies on these engines.

Definitely use ARP bottom end hardware. Main studs and rod bolts. There's been a fair number of broken AAZ bottom ends due to failing hardware on here. I believe any rods that fit an AHU should work, rods designed for the ALH will have the right dimensions but may hit the intermediate shaft, this includes most H-beam style rods.

Any stock AAZ pump will be fine as a core. Giles will make it in to all it can be.

If you really want the maximum potential and you're buying rods, pistons and a custom pump already I'd stick an AHU head on there and make it in to an M-TDI instead. No prechamber to worry about and a nice increase in fuel economy while making big power a bit more easily.

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Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: RabbitJockey on March 09, 2016, 07:37:26 am
yeah if i was building for power and all i had was a long block id go tdi
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on March 16, 2016, 12:57:08 pm
yeah if i was building for power and all i had was a long block id go tdi

Do you mean MTDI? I really hate wiring. Not only do i hate wiring, but i REALLY love simplistic mechanical power in its purest form. If i put an AHU head on it, this will essentially make it a MTDI somehow? perhaps im not quite understanding.  Does anybody know where this plate on the block is with the engraved engine code? Back? front? side?  It came from canada, not that means much but i know the AAZ's are plentiful up there.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: libbydiesel on March 16, 2016, 01:59:55 pm
I'm 99.9% sure what you have is an AAZ.  Any other code with similar components would be a 1/1000 oddity. 

The block/crank are essentially the same for the AAZ and AHU with the only difference being the hole in the block for the crank position sensor and the trigger wheel for it on the crank.  Rods are the correct dimensions for the AHU but a little different in design.  To turn it into an mTDI you would need the AHU pistons and head complete with valve cover and injectors.  I'd also swap the pump bracket and timing covers in order to use the added roller. 
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: vanbcguy on March 18, 2016, 05:24:46 pm
The physical block is virtually identical between the AAZ/1Y/1Z/AHU. Direct injection engines (1Z/AHU) have different pistons and rods and a different cylinder head but the AHU/1Z parts will go in the AAZ/1Y block and vice versa.

Yes, I meant MTDI. Rover injection pump, TDI head and pistons, upgraded rods, you're good to go. There's definitely a few other bits (injectors, injector lines, pump mount bracket) that need to be used too.

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Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on April 12, 2017, 04:28:23 pm
Hello Gents'

Pushing forth with this build very soon and am now in the market for rods, pistons, and any head components such as double valve springs, big valves, titanium seats, etc etc etc. I dont want to get into modifying internal parts like rods but I DO want some sort of performance parts - forged if they make them or thats possible. My ultimate goal is to squeeze 200 hp ( roughly ) out of this thing. I've decided to just stick with the AAZ head and keep it a regular 1.9TD. Any input on which components i should be putting my money towards?   Block should be going out to the machine shop in the next month to get bored .030 over.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: libbydiesel on April 12, 2017, 09:42:16 pm
200HP is more than I would want to make with an AAZ and a lot more than I would want for a Mk1.  You might want to start stocking up on transmissions.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: RunninWild on April 13, 2017, 01:29:22 am
Honestly the mods you are talking about are big money. I just finished putting together my aaz today. I went stock everything except for arp main and head studs. I dont believe there is a listing for rod studs and from the research I've done they aren't really necessary. It's the main caps that typically let go. Your money would be better spent on a holset he200wg turbo, a decent intercooler, a good exhaust and a Giles pump. That should give you more power then you would need and be plenty reliable. Porting is cheap if you do it yourself and will help make some power. While I want decent power from my build I'm worried about the rest of the drivetrain so I didn't go above what I suggested. I'm hoping for 150hp and 200ft-lbs and a long service life from it. I can't give you an exact cost of what my rebuild cost but ive got $1050 (all Canadian dollars) in machining, about $300 in my holset (used from eBay) then probably another grand in pistons and other parts. That's not including a new head that I had bought years ago for $600. Stuff really adds up quick. Don't be in such a huge rush to drop thousands on getting every ounce of power possible. Figure out what you need and will make you happy and go from there.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: RunninWild on April 13, 2017, 01:37:12 am
And if you are expecting the power levels where you would need forged rods I would highly suggest getting a block girdle. Arp studs help the main cap issue but they don't solve it.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on April 13, 2017, 09:26:49 am
Honestly the mods you are talking about are big money. I just finished putting together my aaz today. I went stock everything except for arp main and head studs. I dont believe there is a listing for rod studs and from the research I've done they aren't really necessary. It's the main caps that typically let go. Your money would be better spent on a holset he200wg turbo, a decent intercooler, a good exhaust and a Giles pump. That should give you more power then you would need and be plenty reliable. Porting is cheap if you do it yourself and will help make some power. While I want decent power from my build I'm worried about the rest of the drivetrain so I didn't go above what I suggested. I'm hoping for 150hp and 200ft-lbs and a long service life from it. I can't give you an exact cost of what my rebuild cost but ive got $1050 (all Canadian dollars) in machining, about $300 in my holset (used from eBay) then probably another grand in pistons and other parts. That's not including a new head that I had bought years ago for $600. Stuff really adds up quick. Don't be in such a huge rush to drop thousands on getting every ounce of power possible. Figure out what you need and will make you happy and go from there.

Thanks for the input. Im thinking I agree with your logic here. 150 HP would be excellent. Im definitely going with a Giles pump and the Holy Grail of Holsets that i see spoken of non-stop here. with all of this said, I guess my next concern would be.....>WHICH pistons and rods & rings should i buy? I dont want to put junk into this motor.

I've got close friends and a long history with V8's and muscle motors, and i know when building a performance head valve springs like K motions and the like are a worthy investment. These look similar. Bad idea? Will TDI internal components even work in an AAZ head?

http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/high-lift-valve-springs-and-retainers-for-1-9-2-0-tdi-8v-pd-engines.html

http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/performance-race-camshaft-kit-for-1-9-2-0-8v-pd-engines.html

Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: libbydiesel on April 13, 2017, 11:40:15 am
I have to ask about your decision to stick with the AAZ rather than turn it into an mTDI.  With performance as your goal, there are a few reasons to really consider an mTDI.  The AAZ has the pre-combustion chamber and insert in the head.  The insert has a very small opening.  All of your combustion air gets pushed through that small opening when being compressed and pushes back through that opening during combustion.  That small opening and the resistance of the air flowing through it causes additional pumping losses over the TDI system that has the combustion chamber in the piston.  The added surface area in the head also causes additional combustion heat to be lost to the cooling system rather than turned into useful work.  The result is a drop in fuel economy of approx. 10-15% for similar power.  That additional heat lost to the cooling system also means a much larger heat load on the cooling system meaning that the cooling system needs to dissipate approx. 2X the heat to keep the engine from overheating.  IMO the biggest deal, though, is the fact that with high power and high heat, the pre-combustion chamber inserts can crack or loosen in the head.  If they crack into two pieces, a piece falls into the cylinder destroying the engine.  If they loosen, the insert can start wiggling up and down with each compression/combustion causing the opening to wallow out and the head gasket to fail.  In that case the head is ruined and if it goes on long enough can damage the head gasket surface of the block. 

Considering the fact that you are talking about getting performance rods, pistons, valves, etc...  the additional parts required to convert the AAZ to mTDI are minuscule in comparison.  You could very likely break even with the sale of the AAZ head/injectors/pump bracket/timing covers for the purchase of the AHU components.  A Land Rover 300TDI mechanical injection pump would be very similar in cost to a Giles pump.  Everything else would be the same.

The TDI will give more torque lower in the rpm range, the AAZ will rev higher.  The result is that the TDI prefers lower gearing than the AAZ.  The additional torque of the TDI at lower rpms is harder on the transmission.

The AAZ is a fine engine, but considering your project and goals, if it were mine the very clear choice would be an mTDI. 
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: vanbcguy on April 13, 2017, 01:40:15 pm
I'd be going along the route Libby is suggesting too. Your block and crank are fine, you're buying pistons anyhow, might as well just put ASV pistons in with an AHU/1Z head. You'll need TDI injectors and fuel lines too, but there's a LOT more performance options available once you go that way. Several choices of rods, many different injection nozzles, performance cams, etc.

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Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: RabbitJockey on April 17, 2017, 12:44:59 pm
id recommend tdi as well, the aaz is a nice engine, but if you are already buying pistons and a built pump for an aaz, then you are better off to buy the tdi parts instead.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on April 17, 2017, 01:08:54 pm
I have to ask about your decision to stick with the AAZ rather than turn it into an mTDI.  With performance as your goal, there are a few reasons to really consider an mTDI.  The AAZ has the pre-combustion chamber and insert in the head.  The insert has a very small opening.  All of your combustion air gets pushed through that small opening when being compressed and pushes back through that opening during combustion.  That small opening and the resistance of the air flowing through it causes additional pumping losses over the TDI system that has the combustion chamber in the piston.  The added surface area in the head also causes additional combustion heat to be lost to the cooling system rather than turned into useful work.  The result is a drop in fuel economy of approx. 10-15% for similar power.  That additional heat lost to the cooling system also means a much larger heat load on the cooling system meaning that the cooling system needs to dissipate approx. 2X the heat to keep the engine from overheating.  IMO the biggest deal, though, is the fact that with high power and high heat, the pre-combustion chamber inserts can crack or loosen in the head.  If they crack into two pieces, a piece falls into the cylinder destroying the engine.  If they loosen, the insert can start wiggling up and down with each compression/combustion causing the opening to wallow out and the head gasket to fail.  In that case the head is ruined and if it goes on long enough can damage the head gasket surface of the block. 

Considering the fact that you are talking about getting performance rods, pistons, valves, etc...  the additional parts required to convert the AAZ to mTDI are minuscule in comparison.  You could very likely break even with the sale of the AAZ head/injectors/pump bracket/timing covers for the purchase of the AHU components.  A Land Rover 300TDI mechanical injection pump would be very similar in cost to a Giles pump.  Everything else would be the same.

The TDI will give more torque lower in the rpm range, the AAZ will rev higher.  The result is that the TDI prefers lower gearing than the AAZ.  The additional torque of the TDI at lower rpms is harder on the transmission.

The AAZ is a fine engine, but considering your project and goals, if it were mine the very clear choice would be an mTDI. 

Thanks alot for all of this - and sharing your vast knowledge about these things. So let me ask - IF i was to go the MTDI route with everything i currently have...........I can use the AAZ block for an MTDI? I guess the reason i didnt want to go MTDI was because A - My factory 5 speed will bolt right up to the AAZ. B- I didnt want to get mixed up making a custom pump bracket and all of that for a rover pump, and C- If im getting the benefit of a TDI whynot take the benefit of a newer transmission as well? No custom mounts, etc etc. With all of this said, an MTDI would simply involve getting a TDI head, and rover pump? If i get a TDI head then i just can get performance rods etc that will fit into the AAZ block?
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: burn_your_money on April 17, 2017, 02:47:52 pm
A) - You can use the 020 transmission with the AHU/1Z/AAZ block. You'll probably want some spare transmissions or get one built since it sounds like you'll be thrashing on it a bit but you can deal with that later.
B) Get a mTDI pump built that fits the stock AHU/1Z pump bracket. I don't know what the rover pumps are worth currently so this may add quite a bit of cost. I'm sure someone else will chime in. 
C) A built AAZ will benefit just as much from a newer/better transmission

To convert your current engine setup to mTDI:
Buy TDI pistons (and rods I think)
Buy AHU or 1Z head (with valve cover and injector hold dows clamps
Buy mTDI or Rover pump
Buy AHU/1Z timing belt covers (inner and outer)
Buy TDI injectors

Regardless of what engine you decide, if you are running a serpentine belt, you MUST use a clutched alternator pulley and have the crank nose machined for the TDI gear if you want this to last.

I also would go mTDI over AAZ. Parts are much easier to find, they are more reliable and efficient.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on April 17, 2017, 03:40:54 pm
A) - You can use the 020 transmission with the AHU/1Z/AAZ block. You'll probably want some spare transmissions or get one built since it sounds like you'll be thrashing on it a bit but you can deal with that later.
B) Get a mTDI pump built that fits the stock AHU/1Z pump bracket. I don't know what the rover pumps are worth currently so this may add quite a bit of cost. I'm sure someone else will chime in. 
C) A built AAZ will benefit just as much from a newer/better transmission

To convert your current engine setup to mTDI:
Buy TDI pistons (and rods I think)
Buy AHU or 1Z head (with valve cover and injector hold dows clamps
Buy mTDI or Rover pump
Buy AHU/1Z timing belt covers (inner and outer)
Buy TDI injectors

Regardless of what engine you decide, if you are running a serpentine belt, you MUST use a clutched alternator pulley and have the crank nose machined for the TDI gear if you want this to last.

I also would go mTDI over AAZ. Parts are much easier to find, they are more reliable and efficient.

Thanks alot Tyler. This was what i was gathering from what the others were saying - and looks like it may be my new direction. My collecting of parts has to start ASAP as my current 1.6D NA may have 100LBs of oil pressure when RPMs are up but when the engines warm at idle, she sits just below 20!! I need to get a move-on.  With this said, I guess my next concern is really just HOW FAR do i go with this. Brief research of AHU/1Z / whatever TDI internals returned insane amounts of options for internals and pistons, cams, valve springs and valves. A bit overwhelmed at the moment! Realistically if i can obtain 150-200 hp or ANYTHING in this range i'll be a pretty happy person. Reliability is an absolute must, as is durability.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: libbydiesel on April 17, 2017, 08:37:32 pm
The AAZ rods have the same length and big end/small end diameters.  They are a little bit different in design but can work.  If you are planning on getting custom rods, then it's irrelevant.   

The AAZ injection pump bracket and the AHU/1Z injection pump bracket are very similar except that the AHU/1Z except that the AHU/1Z have an additional timing belt idler added between injection pump and cam.  The idler bolts to an added boss that is part of the pump bracket.  The timing belt cover and backing plate are different in order to accommodate that extra roller.  I know of a couple different people who have turned AAZ into mTDI and used the AAZ bracket and timing covers and just done without the extra idler roller.  I personally prefer having the added roller as it increases the wrap of the belt around both the pump and the cam.  Obviously the factory thought it was a good idea also. 

Along with the parts that Tyler mentioned, you will also need a set of TDI injectors and AHU/1Z injection lines. 

If you use the Land Rover injection pump, the mounting bracket would need to be machined to accept the larger snout. 

FWIW, I happen to have an AAZ engine here that I will be converting to mTDI before very long.  I got the AHU head complete with valve cover and injectors from one person.  I got the pump bracket and timing covers from another.  I got a set of ALH rods (because the AAZ had two bent rods) and pistons from a third person.  I have a 4BTA pump that I built a while back and held onto that I will use and it will work without modifying the bracket.  Making the necessary changes to a 4BTA pump is more challenging than machining the bracket for someone who is not totally familiar with the inside of an injection pump. 

You could get 150-200hp with either engine.  The Mk1 is so light I can't imagine being disappointed with the performance of either. 
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on April 20, 2017, 02:09:23 pm
The AAZ rods have the same length and big end/small end diameters.  They are a little bit different in design but can work.  If you are planning on getting custom rods, then it's irrelevant.   

The AAZ injection pump bracket and the AHU/1Z injection pump bracket are very similar except that the AHU/1Z except that the AHU/1Z have an additional timing belt idler added between injection pump and cam.  The idler bolts to an added boss that is part of the pump bracket.  The timing belt cover and backing plate are different in order to accommodate that extra roller.  I know of a couple different people who have turned AAZ into mTDI and used the AAZ bracket and timing covers and just done without the extra idler roller.  I personally prefer having the added roller as it increases the wrap of the belt around both the pump and the cam.  Obviously the factory thought it was a good idea also. 

Along with the parts that Tyler mentioned, you will also need a set of TDI injectors and AHU/1Z injection lines. 

If you use the Land Rover injection pump, the mounting bracket would need to be machined to accept the larger snout. 

FWIW, I happen to have an AAZ engine here that I will be converting to mTDI before very long.  I got the AHU head complete with valve cover and injectors from one person.  I got the pump bracket and timing covers from another.  I got a set of ALH rods (because the AAZ had two bent rods) and pistons from a third person.  I have a 4BTA pump that I built a while back and held onto that I will use and it will work without modifying the bracket.  Making the necessary changes to a 4BTA pump is more challenging than machining the bracket for someone who is not totally familiar with the inside of an injection pump. 

You could get 150-200hp with either engine.  The Mk1 is so light I can't imagine being disappointed with the performance of either. 

150 to 200 would be amazing. SO - with all of this said im going to attempt to really get this build on the road, and if at all possible financially completed by the end of the summer.  Few questions now that im much clearer on this and i think my decision is to go Mtdi with the rover pump.

IF i put in a rover 300 injection pump, will i still need to send it out to have work done to it for good power or is the rover pump basically a drop in, rather than sending out an AAZ pump to giles?

Additionally im now going to be looking for an AHU head. Is there any preferable years? Im likely going to have whatever head i find rebuilt including performance valve springs that i've found on Darkside. Are high-lift valve springs worth it? I see they also make High Performance / Race cam's. Also, is this worth it?

http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/high-lift-valve-springs-and-retainers-for-1-9-2-0-tdi-8v-pd-engines.html

My MAIN focus for now is going to be getting the machine work done, and ordering internals & finding an AHU head.

Can someone with the experience guide me a bit on what machine work i should request and what internals i should buy? Id like to go .030 over if possible. Do i need to have the block line-honed? Should i?  Which pistons / Mains would be best to buy? I need to start putting my money into the block and internals asap before i find another project and get distracted!! haha
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: vanbcguy on April 20, 2017, 11:44:03 pm
An AHU or 1Z head will work - 1996 to 1999 is the year range. ALH and later are a no-go.

An aftermarket performance cam is not a bad thing, though you need to have the fueling to actually use the air it provides. There's no power gains from the cam itself, just a reduction in EGTs which does allow you to crank up the fuel which in turn yields more power. It's a "supporting mod" rather than a direct power adding device.

Valve springs really aren't all that much of a concern. Max RPMs are still low by gasser standards, the overall valve lift isn't all that huge, etc. A modified diesel ends up with factory gasser requirements on the springs. The only exception to that is if you are running really high boost levels with a restrictive turbo, where exhaust pressure might cause valve float. That's not a common scenario though.

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Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: Derekxj on April 21, 2017, 11:45:31 am
An AHU or 1Z head will work - 1996 to 1999 is the year range. ALH and later are a no-go.

An aftermarket performance cam is not a bad thing, though you need to have the fueling to actually use the air it provides. There's no power gains from the cam itself, just a reduction in EGTs which does allow you to crank up the fuel which in turn yields more power. It's a "supporting mod" rather than a direct power adding device.

Valve springs really aren't all that much of a concern. Max RPMs are still low by gasser standards, the overall valve lift isn't all that huge, etc. A modified diesel ends up with factory gasser requirements on the springs. The only exception to that is if you are running really high boost levels with a restrictive turbo, where exhaust pressure might cause valve float. That's not a common scenario though.

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Thanks for the info - Im going to start hunting for an AHU head - sounds like it would be best to have a decent low mileage one shipped to me and then just send it out to get ported and a camshaft installed and deck milled etc.

Internals still need to be my main focus at the moment before the head or anything else.

Can someone tell me if i can re-use my existing AAZ crankshaft - Yes i plan on having it machined for the TDI gear.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: libbydiesel on April 21, 2017, 12:33:16 pm
The crank is the same aside from the nose machining for the crank sprocket and the trigger wheel for the crank position sensor.  An mTDI doesn't need the crank position sensor, so the AAZ crank will work fine. 
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: vanbcguy on April 21, 2017, 01:35:56 pm
Worth mentioning at this point - some early AAZ blocks had short main bolts. I don't know if we've ever conclusively discovered whether the block is drilled deep enough to use the longer late AAZ/AHU/1Z bolts. If not, main studs would be a good idea.

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Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: libbydiesel on April 21, 2017, 03:40:35 pm
I'd say that at 150+hp a block girdle would also be wise along with studs.
Title: Re: Building a New Rabbit Heart - 1.9 TD
Post by: RabbitJockey on April 28, 2017, 11:45:12 am
main studs at a minimum