VWDiesel.net The IDI, TDI, and mTDI source.
For Sale/Looking For => Vendors Section => Topic started by: 935racer on June 12, 2007, 08:37:37 pm
-
Sorry guys, but as of yesterday we will not be making anymore stock mk1-4 downpipes. With rising steel costs, and the our quality control we cannot afford to make these anymore, the cost we need to charge is likely out of the average vw diesel enthusiasts price range from what we gather as we here complaints about the current pricing. We will continue to build manifolds, port heads etc, and we may also get back into servicing the vw's soon. Its a shame with over 200 mk1-3downpipes made in the last 2 years but we are getting sick of eating oatmeal 3 meals a day :(
-
Sorry guys, but as of yesterday we will not be making anymore stock mk1-4 downpipes. With rising steel costs, and the our quality control we cannot afford to make these anymore, the cost we need to charge is likely out of the average vw diesel enthusiasts price range from what we gather as we here complaints about the current pricing. We will continue to build manifolds, port heads etc, and we may also get back into servicing the vw's soon. Its a shame with over 200 mk1-3downpipes made in the last 2 years but we are getting sick of eating oatmeal 3 meals a day :(
Are you still making CAMs?
...ps...check your PMs
-
that is a shame... can you give a rough estimate of what it would cost now??? surely you still have the equipment to fabricate... i mean... how much do other companies charge for their special downpipes that are mass produced, and do not have your stringent quality control standards??
i wouldn't mind paying for quality craftsmanship :wink:
i'm definitely going to need a really good downpipe for the exhaust manifold i'm buying from you in the future :wink: maybe 3" all the way back?
-
What about your exhaust manifold?
Got any old stock left on th DP's?
-
We aren't going out of business by any means guys, we are just expanding. Manifolds, head porting, custom downpipes as well as ones to mate our manifolds etc will still be done. I in particular more than the other guys just grew sick of getting complaints about the price on these things, especially because we were just making them for cheap (virtually free on our end). It would cost at least $320CAD for us to continue making them, not a penny less. We do have all the jigs and equipment to make these still. Compared to some of the stuff on the market its still not too outrageous, we just installed a 034 motorsport turbo kit on a audi S6, the downpipe was $600USD, the welds were complete ***, and the downpipe did not fit! Not even close, you couldn't even bolt it on, total piece of crap.
-
Sniff sniff.:cry:
How many people would you need to hear from to have a "going out of the downpipe business... get your final order in now" event ??!!
Vince
-
Sniff sniff.:cry:
How many people would you need to hear from to have a "going out of the downpipe business... get your final order in now" event ??!!
Vince
Yeah, I was totally going to buy one after I was done with the suspension/brakes on my mk1.
This sucks.
-
i think $320 is extremely reasonable. why would people complain about the pricing??? that's lame... damn penny pinchers!
-
Is there an economics scale here that can be improved? I do not know if you buy you pipe in bulk or enough for individual orders. Would it be better for you to do runs of these pipes when you receive enough orders to make it a better deal for you. Say, DP's will be made when the orders build up to 5 or 10 so you can order in bulk.
This forum has a very wide and diverse membership. All of us have our own certain connections and contacts. I am getting at the neighbors helping neighbors sort of thing. Perhaps if you let us know what type of materials you need, members can look around and see if we can find a cheaper source for you. There is always someone who has stock they want to get rid of or move. Just a thought.
-
Would you guys sell flanges and other hardware if we need to make our own? It's hard to find these items sometimes. The pipe is easy to get but the other items can be difficult. Did you make your own flanges too?
Brendan
-
i really want one of these over the techtonics crap haha, i guess this teaches everyone what happens when you sit on your hands.
-
I'd keep your jigs handy. Once a year figure out your price to build a batch of downpipes and make a reasonable profit for your work.
Take pre-orders, make a batch with a couple extra, and put things away for another year.
If not enough interest, wait six months and try again.
-
Crap. I was going to buy one with a cam when I rebuild my engine in the next few months
-
dude don't stop with the downpipes.. i was just looking on your site right now about to purchase one.. possibly two.
but the suggestion a post or two above me about doing it once a year with preorders will do as well.. but i need a pipe.
to be honest.. you should still have it on your site with an updated price.. even if it is more expensive.. just make them on demand.. or have one or two sitting and when you sell one make another in spare time. i dunno how you do it. but also i've been wishing you had a full mandrel bent exhaust as well.
my girlfriends parents live in abbotsford and if i ever go there i'd like to come visit. she says its pretty close. i'm a truck driver and i can get runs out there. i wish i could come in one of my cars.
here's a pic of my latest car. i bought it as you see it in the pic so no mods by myself.. got it a couple of weeks ago.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/smoketastic/2007-03-3118.jpg)
-
holy you bought that car??? is that the same one i've seen over at the tex??? it has air ride right??? damn!!!
how much $$$
-
could be the same one. it did have air ride but it's riding on coilovers now. previous owner sold the air ride.
-
I finally got around to putting my PP downpipe on the Passat. A bit of a Chinese puzzle getting it in, all the extra EGR plumbing gets in the way.
It sounds great just by itself, the kid down the street with the GTI with the fart can exhaust on it is insanely jealous.
-
alright mr passenger performance...
i want a downpipe. pm me please.
-
alright mr passenger performance...
i want a downpipe. pm me please.
for everything that is done to that jetta, there was no larger DP installed on it? hmmm
-
Sir, I contacted you about a month ago and inquired about a downpipe for my '85 I then said I would call you when I had the cash. Well I have the cash now and since i've been excited to put one of your downpipes on my car for eight months now I would be highly disapointed if you couldn't make me one. I understand if there is no profit in it for you then its a pain in the ass to make them up. I was hoping you could install the rest of the straight pipe for me too and perhaps more stuff in the future. So maybe you could make some money off me there? Seriously I am willing to pay a bit more and i'll come down from whistler with cash. Right now my tailpipe rusted off and my muffler has a hole in it so I would really like to get this done. Thanks for your consideration.
-
Alright guys we are making new downpipes, starting from scratch, oh yeah they will be 3" as well... I am making a new post here in the vendors forum.
-
i've purchased three 2.5" downpipes from dave and its great to have the option of going to him instead of doing it yourself or getting hosed by TT. its too bad you're discontinuing the 2.5" mild steel versions. i second the idea of keeping them as an option, but raising the price. i personally would not be all that interested in a 3" stainless pipe. holds no benefit over 2.5" dia for me, the 2.5" booms loud enough 3" would be a cannon, and i wouldn't be able to justify paying for stainless at what, $3-4/Ib + additional fab time/cost, instead of mild steel which is all i need at ~$0.75/Ib. i'm glad you're expanding but i'd still like to be able to get the old pipes in the future. good luck whichever way you go!
-
Are you saying that the 3" pipe will be louder? That is somthing I am not looking for. So you think the flow/ back preassure difference between 2.5" and 3" will be negligible?
-
subsonic i speculate that for my application, 3" will be louder than 2.5" and that i will see no noticable performance gains. i'm not all that concerned with EGTs i don't think i'm often up high anyway. this isn't to say that a 3" pipe is useless, i just don't imagine that it holds any benefit for my application.
-
Long befor this board existed, the legendary Jake Russel tested his Hartmann 2.5" ss down pipe without the rest of the exhaust system. There was a measurable increase in power. So yes, a 3" down pipe can make more power. If you just put around, the stock system is ok.
-
i've purchased three 2.5" downpipes from dave and its great to have the option of going to him instead of doing it yourself or getting hosed by TT. its too bad you're discontinuing the 2.5" mild steel versions. i second the idea of keeping them as an option, but raising the price. i personally would not be all that interested in a 3" stainless pipe. holds no benefit over 2.5" dia for me, the 2.5" booms loud enough 3" would be a cannon, and i wouldn't be able to justify paying for stainless at what, $3-4/Ib + additional fab time/cost, instead of mild steel which is all i need at ~$0.75/Ib. i'm glad you're expanding but i'd still like to be able to get the old pipes in the future. good luck whichever way you go!
The 3" pipes will get your turbo spooling even sooner and lower your egts even more. And to boot for sanitary fittings, the 2.5" fittings cost the exact same as the 3" ones, so I'd obviously like to go the max performance route.
Yes the stainless material cost more, but with the sanitary fittings the fab time is greatly reduced. The mild steel ones that I've built int he past take way too long to fabricate and are complicated to build, the sanitary fittings will make my life a lot easier and really cut down on wait times for you guys.
As for how loud they are, thats completely dependent on the exhaust you have, and the combo of mufflers, resonaters etc I think yours is loud Lanny because without an exhaust system the downpipe just exits right at your feet :twisted:
Keep the comments coming guys, be honest.
-
I understand that it cost alot to manufacture these with materials and labor. And you've heard this 1000 times but it would be very hard for me to pay that much for a DP. One of the main reasons i drive a VW is because it is cheaper.
-
I understand that it cost alot to manufacture these with materials and labor. And you've heard this 1000 times but it would be very hard for me to pay that much for a DP. One of the main reasons i drive a VW is because it is cheaper.
Hahaha yep, making stuff like this for VW guys doesn't make a whole lot of business sense, which is also why we've started doing a lot more work on audi S cars, race cars, cummins trucks etc. Its just going to be really hard for anybody to make a production downpipe for these vehicles with the stock turbo and manifold layout and have it be "VW affordable" :lol:
-
But its our fault for wanting to change them in the first place.
-
I wasn't sure where to post this, here or in Dave's topic about his new stainless 3" downpipes.
But I wanted to sing the PP praises.
This downpipe is awsome! The quality is beyond expectation!
Not only that but it was obviously built around the same time that he realized that it was not profitable at that price point and he still delivered!
I am truly impressed!
Here is the proud owner pic. http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l193/PhlatOut_2006/?action=view¤t=downpipe.jpg
It is attached to the TD that is being transplanted into my NA Jetta.
Thanks,
VelocityConservation
-
could be the same one. it did have air ride but it's riding on coilovers now. previous owner sold the air ride.
optiks old car, god i love that thing
-
Those downpipes are remarkable and soon as I get my funds togethor im ordering one! Fuc that pic is beautiful....Im sold! :shock:
Maybe could we work something out for the Cam/Intake mani/Downpipe?
I could send all the cores to you in B.C from Toronto...NOT a problem!
Please get back to me forsure..PICS PLEASE!
-Jeff.
-
alright mr passenger performance...
i want a downpipe. pm me please.
for everything that is done to that jetta, there was no larger DP installed on it? hmmm
sorry to bring up an old post.. i just checked my old posts myself and saw this unanswered.
it's not for the car in the picture :P it's for an mk2. although i possibly may get a 3" one for the pictured car as it's got a 2.5 incher.
-
snippage.......
Here is the proud owner pic. http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l193/PhlatOut_2006/?action=view¤t=downpipe.jpg
No wonder that unit is expensive to make. Why is it not one piece? That would cut down the cost considerably.
-
No wonder that unit is expensive to make. Why is it not one piece? That would cut down the cost considerably.
It is not one piece because of the vibrations. A solid downpipe would not last. Even flex sections like Dave put in my downpipe wear out with the movement that these VW diesels put them through. The alternative to a flex joint is to go back to a "toilet bowl" like setup.
VelocityConservation
-
Too bad...I really want(ed) one!
-
How do I get a hold of passenger??? I've tried emailing several times, PMing on this site.. no go..
I need one of these while my engine is out of the car! :lol:
-
http://www.passengerdiesel.com/index.php
The new website is halfway online (store pretty empty) and their phone number is on the contact page.
-
I'm glad to see he switched to stainless for the pipes. After only a year of use, mine is very rusty, even though I spent a lot to get it ceramichromed. :cry:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/stewardc/Truck/100_6643.jpg)
-
Actually, yours is looking about the same as mine, and mine is 2.5" 304SS on my 1.6td. Its gold colored now from exhaust heat, roughly from the turbo flange to a foot or so down stream.
I have the PP mild steel pipe on my 1.5td, and after an hour or so run time, its one big wad of rust.