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For Sale/Looking For => Vendors Section => Topic started by: vwmike on March 17, 2006, 04:25:43 am
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As the title says, I'm thinking of making some front mount intercooler kits. For a start I'm thinking of making some kits for non A/C MK2's with the 1.6TD. I can go a few different routes, but I'd like to get some feedback on a few things.
#1 - who's interested?
#2 - I have many intercoolers of various size to consider. I could keep prices down by using an off-the-shelf intercooler, but I am concerned with how it may fare as I know some of you will be pushing a lot more boost then was originally intended. I would like this intercooler to be able to hold up to about 50 psi, but I wouldn't mind your input on it. If you are interested in this, would cost be more of a factor than the peice of mind should you decide to run insane amounts of boost?
#3 - I typically use aluminized mandrel u-bends to make charge pipes, but they could also be made out of aluminum or sanitary fittings. Steel is obviously the cheapest so the others would also affect the cost. Would anyone have a problem with steel?
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any hope for an a/c equiped version for an mk2 jetta td?
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Without a big bumper (90-92 style) there just isn't really any room for an intercooler unless we use an air/water setup. This would be more costly, but could also be more beneficial if you were to drag race the car. The non A/C setup would place the intercooler in front of the radiator where the A/C condenser would be. The radiator would already have to move back slightly as space is at a premium. The advantage is that a very large intercooler could fit and potentially be as big as the radiator (although I haven't been able to find one in those exact dimensions).
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humm well mine is the big bumper edition, '91, so what is the best idea for an intercooler?
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A 6" tall core in the front bumper with some cutting to the bumper cap and support would be the best way to make it fit. This is an 8" core:
(http://www.euronationmotorsport.com/images/monty_1206.jpg)
There wouldn't be much crash protection left if that concerns you.
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I would be potentially interested depending on cost. I have an intercooler out of a Peugeot but it has plastic end tanks so I've been hesitant in putting it in. I've also been flip flopping where to put it... infront of the rad would be the most efficient but space is limited so I looked into putting it above the tranny as a top mount with a scoop but that's boarderline honda civic. I'd love a custom made one for our cars and steel is A-OK by me. Do you have a ballpark price?
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I'd love to keep this thing as inexpensive as possible, but I'm not going to sell anything I wouldn't use myself. Looking at cost estimates it would likely be in the $600 range. That would include silicone connectors, T-bolt clamps, all the piping would be mandrel bent aluminized steel. All welds would be TIG'd, and all ends bead rolled. Any mounting peices for the intercooler would also be included.
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I've heard SSautochrome et al is considering making kits in the 2-300 range for our cars. They seem to try to be covering all makes!
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That would be quite interesting. If they could offer a kit for $300 then there is no way I could compete with that price. Just be careful is all, you get what you pay for.
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Remeber: "Poor people can't afford to be cheap" :wink:
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Remeber: "Poor people can't afford to be cheap" :wink:
And what exactly does that mean? :)
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"Poor people can't afford to be cheap"
It means the most inexpensive is not the cheapest in the long run. Like a good pair of shoes for $100 that lasts for 10 years vs a $50 pair that last for 2. Substitute oil filters, intercoolers etc for shoes.
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Gotcha :wink:
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So far the interest doesn't seem overwhelming.
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i'd be interested for a mkI but not for $600. i think a good idea might be for you to produce the piping, and supply the joints, for an existing intercooler that fits... from an audi, saab or something. then people can just grab one from a yard and use your piping to finish the job. that would be more useful to me.
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I understand where you're coming from. I just can't dodge the cost of the parts it would take to produce this in any sort of quantity. Using a junk yard intercooler would definitely cut down on the cost. I was just trying to make a complete bolt-on system. The other thing is that a lot of factory intercoolers have plastic tanks that will pop off and that is something I need to avoid.
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i agree with all your concerns. if i had $600 to spend on an intercooler that would be great but i don't so i'd use some junk with plastic end tanks and keep the boost lower. for me its the pipes that would be a pain in the ass to come up with. good luck with it. i think its a great idea, just making it cost-feasible small-scale is the issue i think for you.
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I've read over the years about plastic end tanks having issues like popping off, etc, yet I've never seen such a thing, nor have I ever had a problem with it. This is with using saab (3 different types), and a few friends running volvo (2 types) plastic end tank intercoolers with 30 psi or over, for years.
Chances are if indeed the end tank pops off (unlikely), it has already sustained some type of trauma, and all that would be needed is to re crimp the tabs on the core to end tank joint, or get another untweaked core.
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I would definetly be interested in a a kit for a MK2 1.6td with A/C.
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i know the pricing is high, but if you look at kits like these for any other type of car, this is actually a great deal
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I have always wanted a intercooler kit for our cars.... if you planning on making a cooler and all the piping then im sure we could expect youd find a good place for it and make it to fit properly
If you can make a cooler for between my rad and front end supports and its piped out like passingers wicked exhaust mani then im in.....$600 or whatever...
I hope you come up with something, Best of luck!
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i am open to the idea, but it has to be affordable. the hardest thing to do is get the pipe bent right. i think everyone can find coolers that will fit in front but it is just hard to get pipe to them without spending a lot of money. silicone connectors are expensive and so is aluminum pipe and these aren't bentley's that we're driving around so i am probably going to try something myself and mess up before i spend a lot of money. you learn better that way :wink: good luck with the kit!
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I was just wondering which cars I should be looking at/for a intercooler for our cars while im crusing thru the wreckor
I was told there is a nice cooler on some Volvo maybe someone could pass the word on which model?
Also I remember hearing something about a SAAB cooler also? Which Sabb?
Also In the Vendor's section I remember seeing in one of "Passinger's pictures of the "Custom Intake Mani Thread" there is a beautiful intercooler in the picture with the two turbo's and the cylinder head sitting on the ground! EDIT* (http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/basslyne/lightmanifold.jpg)
I was wondering who or where to get something like that....should be perfect to fit between the rad an rad support area behind the lights!
Where and How Much for one of these babies?
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cheap ones on ebay, i dont know if they are any good
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This is what I have. Good prices, very good quality.
http://www.precisionturbo.net/intercoolers.php
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Ic pipes:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2046.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2047.jpg)
FMIC:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2049.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2048.jpg)
Custom intake manifold:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2031.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2032.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2051.jpg)
Complete:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2052.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2053.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/935racer/PICT2050-1.jpg)
Cost more than $600 though.
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ahhhh you dont even know what your doing to me with this...
Im trying to convince the gurls that christmas is next year... not this year so I can afford that set up...
Just playin, im sure all the ladies MK1 tuners didnt like that one!
You'll be hearing from me soon with any luck....
thanks for the pictures and support in my interest!
Cheers,
BASE
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Does anybody sell a IC kit for a mk1 TD? I have heard of kits for mk2's and up, but no mk1's.
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i would probably grab one from you.. as long as the quality is there.
for me personally.. i enjoy best bang for buck and quality.
i'll draw a small scale right now (ps. i'm drunk)
$---------------------$$$$$$$$$
A----B----C----D----E
a=***ty don't buy
b=***ty but not as ***ty cuz it will last a bit longer
c=mid range.. quality is there with the use of cheaper materials
d=like mid range but with better materials
e=top of the line in material and quality and looks
for me.. i'm a D or E or somewhere between those two letters kinda guy. on my own scale... yeahh...
okan
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I was just wondering is Dave back from the Hospital yet and building or?
the quality sure looks like its there...
I asked a few people who have those kits and there all talking like I should pawn my simiese cat and get it asap and I figure they must be alright if their reputation is that good.. I mean pawn my cat!?!?!???!
But that mani/downpipe/cooler and even the piping is top notch
What a toss up Cat or intercooler
Man my lady would kill me
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lol!
keep the cat.. they can be so retarded and make you laugh for hours.. :D just save up for the I/C and have the best of both worlds.
what's dave in the hospital for?? i have been away from the forums for a while i wasn't aware of anything.. hopefully it's nothing serious and hopefully it passes quickly.
-okan
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I'd be interested in a cooler that fit a mk2 small bumper - it would have to live above the bumper level - and be wide enough to matter and shallow enough to fit.
My radiator presents most of the fitment issues, I'd be interested in how your pipes clear the rad on both sides, or what your alternative radiator recommendations would be.