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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: carrizog60 on December 18, 2007, 02:11:50 pm

Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 18, 2007, 02:11:50 pm
hello
can someone give the part numbers of this?
will the 11mm plunger work in stock head or do i need also a new head?

what would i need more?


thanks
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 19, 2007, 06:00:23 am
:arrow:
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: jimfoo on December 19, 2007, 09:23:03 am
You need the whole assembly. You can't stick an 11mm plunger in a 9mm hole. As far as what you need, what are you trying to do?
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 19, 2007, 11:13:19 am
mm well i got a stock 9mm pump and want to upgrade to a 11mm plunger and 1.9td camplate.

i want to do this because i want some more power and dont like to ride with the pump in the limit.
and that´s  because the cold start lever almost doesent work and i need it sometimes in the morning as i have a 3 notch metal gasket(solid lifter head).
in cold it strugles and misses a bit when cold if the fuel screw is at is max...
i figure it would be better to have a bigger plunger and keep the fuel screw down so i can adjust the cold lever to act like stock does.

but i need the part numbers of what i need to be able to get the material... :arrow:

edit:what is the max rpm with the 11mm plunger?
i still want to do atleat 5000rpm...
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: jimfoo on December 19, 2007, 11:44:17 am
I am far from a pump expert, but my understanding of the cold start is that it changes the timing at lower rpms, advancing it. I'd check your timing first before spending a bunch of time and money on stuff you probably don't need.
I'll let others chime in on the rest as I probably don't know enough to give advice it.
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: Benjamin on December 19, 2007, 11:45:47 am
With IDI pressures there is no (efficient) limit with an 11mm plunger

i drived a 11mm plunger and never had any problems, i seen 6000 much times, just cause its cool. (i dont know how agressive my camplate is)

the head and the plunger always need to be toghether, you cant use a other plunger with the same head, even not if the part numbers do fit.

Why the camplate, you can get so much diesel with a 11mm...
anyway, if you do use another (higher lift) camplate you need to use the 2 (stronger) springs also.

Try to make it running with stock pump and just only a 11mm, you will see it can be hard enough  :wink:

Greetz, Benjamin
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 19, 2007, 12:02:49 pm
ok, so just the 11mm mod then.

so i need also the head of the pump and the plunger right?
nothing more?
can someone give me the part numbers for this then?
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 20, 2007, 04:42:23 am
but wont the tdi camplate  generate very high pressures?
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: Tintin on December 20, 2007, 08:46:37 am
Quote from: "prothe"
You will need the TDI camplate to go with the 11mm rotor.  The 1.9TD camplate won't work with the 11mm TDI rotor.  If you have a 1.6 pump, you will need the springs and spring guides for the 11mm rotor/head assembly.


1: TDI came plate does not work with IDI pump.

2: 1.9TD AAZ 1995 and up have the proper came plate to adapt 11mm with bigger foot plunger.

3: I think that you have much reading to make in this forum about the pumps before answering anything.
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 20, 2007, 10:26:07 am
so,i would need the 1.9td camplate.
wich one?

the problem is that the company that sells the parts need the part numbers,cant do anything witjout that...

so for the ones that have this mod:
any part numbers or even the name of what is needed and from what car/engine they come?

i would like to buy me this for cmas :lol:
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 21, 2007, 10:31:10 am
so can someone help me?
correct me if i am wrong:
i need a head and plunger of 11 out of a tdi(wich engine/year?) and a 1.9td camplate(1995 and up) right?
i dont want to deal with customs and shipping charges two times... :oops:
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: zukgod1 on December 21, 2007, 01:42:30 pm
1.9 Cam plate out of a IDI AAZ pump

11mm pump head with plunger and you are set....
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: oldskool rich on December 21, 2007, 10:53:44 pm
dont buy one new, they will take your kidneys. i wudnt be suprised if you payed £300

i went to my local breaker and found an 2005 AFN engine that had been dropped on the floor, they gave me the slightly damaged pump for free, i then just removed the 11mm pump and head, put it on my AAZ after a practice reseulting in snapping my origonal pump piston & 5 failed attempts lol, pumps are cheap from the scrapy and not the kind of thing that wares out. i should think any tdi after 2000 is a good bet will be 11mm+

ull need to run the AAZ camplate, trouble is that the pump is 0.58mm too big to fit the plate so will need to get a machineist to trim a bit off.

as for getting more rpm you need to do the governer mod if thats what you meen, which after youve done the pump will seem like a walk in the park
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 22, 2007, 03:24:38 am
thanks rich.
i am going just to check for prices first.
is the difference is not that big i will buy new.

ou here(portugal) those pieces are rare in the scrap yards as the demand is big so the prices must be also high...
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 25, 2007, 04:30:56 pm
well cant seem to get part numbers, can someone give me a pic or two with the exploded vision of the pump with the part surrounded so i can show to the shop?
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: jtanguay on December 26, 2007, 05:28:46 pm
Quote from: "prothe"
Tintin,  I both sell and install these parts.  I know what I'm talking about.


as does any 'reputable' shop  :roll:

Quote from: "prothe"
You might be able to find a 11mm IDI rotor/head assembly for a 1.6 pump, but to use the TDI 11mm rotor, you will need the TDI camplate, not the AAZ camplate.


Tintin was talking about using the IDI parts and not TDI parts.  just remember that his first language is not english.  you are basically stating how to go about creating an m-TDI pump.  (TDI cam plate and 11mm tdi head + plunger)

Quote from: "prothe"
When I rebuild a AAZ pump for an M-TDI conversion, I install the TDI camplate and TDI 10mm head/rotor assembly.


cool.

Quote from: "prothe"
The facts I state are from personal experience.  Not from reading a message board.


but you can learn so much from this forum!  Tintin is VERY knowledgeable!
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: Tintin on December 26, 2007, 06:01:41 pm
Quote from: "prothe"
Tintin,  I both sell and install these parts.  I know what I'm talking about.

You might be able to find a 11mm IDI rotor/head assembly for a 1.6 pump, but to use the TDI 11mm rotor, you will need the TDI camplate, not the AAZ camplate.

When I rebuild a AAZ pump for an M-TDI conversion, I install the TDI camplate and TDI 10mm head/rotor assembly.

The facts I state are from personal experience.  Not from reading a message board.


If you think that a TDI came plate work well in a pump with IDI control lever, It's simply that you never tested this pump on a TDI motor, if you would have tested it, you would have realized that that does not work,  ha..ho....  yes It's run fine at idle, but at full throttle the motor do not have power and 1500-2000 RPM max, because the pump do not deliver enough fuel, you need more travel from the control lever, in that case, DI specific lever.

And not to mistake about me,  I tested all that is possible in the pumps with over 50 different set-up, on a TDI and IDI motor.
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 26, 2007, 06:09:59 pm
correct,its a IDI engine.

i like to see this discussions but i would like even more if some part numbers or pics (with the pieces on a exploded image) would pop up  :lol:
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: Tintin on December 26, 2007, 06:10:56 pm
Quote from: "carrizog60"
correct,its a IDI engine.

i like to see this discussions but i would like even more if some part numbers or pics (with the pieces on a exploded image) would pop up  :lol:


I just PM'd you the late AAZ part number.  :wink:
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 26, 2007, 06:13:20 pm
yes, only saw it after entered this one :oops:


thank you tintin!
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: Tintin on December 26, 2007, 06:20:24 pm
for a 11mm part number, the TDI one work great on an IDI set-up.

2 468 334 060 for TDI 11mm.

There are a lot of 11mm head available, but I test some model and I do not see much difference.
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: oldskool rich on December 26, 2007, 06:57:41 pm
u dont need a late aaz cam plate, just grind a bit off the piston foot, i did this on mine, now it fits perfect, cost a 10er :wink:
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 27, 2007, 06:14:51 am
i prefer on keeping it plug and play as much as i can...

what cost 10€ ?
Title: need part number of 11mm pump head/plunger and 1.9 camplate
Post by: carrizog60 on December 27, 2007, 09:46:39 am
Quote from: "Tintin"
for a 11mm part number, the TDI one work great on an IDI set-up.

2 468 334 060 for TDI 11mm.

There are a lot of 11mm head available, but I test some model and I do not see much difference.


this part number is all i need or is just the plunger?