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Title: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 02, 2016, 03:13:20 am
Hi all thanks for the add.

I have a pd 130 mapped to 177bhp. Changed in tank pump as was not working. Primed the system and wouldn't start. I called a deisel doctor out who diagnosed problem. It turns out my belt was poor and has ripped about 2/3 inches of teeth off. Now the guy said the 1.9tdi of lumps rarely bed calves and said it should be ok. So she is getting timing set and new belt today for the sum of £50. So worth a shot a guess. What's people's thoughts on damage to the engine. Am I going to be luck and is the guy going to be right. A sure hope so. Thanks for looking all (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161102/86bd86bea0b51ebbd89166c3c954e167.jpg)


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: libbydiesel on November 02, 2016, 01:31:40 pm
'bed calves' = bend valves?  If the timing belt breaks they ALWAYS bend valves, 100% of the time.  Sometimes they will run ok afterward and you might think you dodged a bullet, but then a few thousand miles later the head drops off a damaged valve and the whole engine implodes...
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 02, 2016, 01:54:59 pm
That would be just my luck like. Well it's at the garage should find out tomorrow what the damage is. Considering going down the second hand head route but not sure. See what the lad recommends like as he knows what's what. Cheers for reply.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: air-cooled or diesel on November 02, 2016, 04:21:12 pm
sounds like you motor may have turned over several times while belt had failed, one thing thats not binding, is when you remove head, if it hasnt run since, is to check the piston tops for valve kisses, thats one place to start, other than that, perhaps change out all valves, and lifters, check cam for damage.
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 02, 2016, 04:55:13 pm
Never even had the thing a week. Sick. A see what the garage says tomorrow and post the outcome and what he recommends.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: libbydiesel on November 02, 2016, 06:42:05 pm
Seriously, if the timing belt broke, you need to pull the head and replace any valves that touched the pistons.  If the garage says otherwise, you should not have them work on your car. 
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: libbydiesel on November 02, 2016, 06:46:03 pm
Also, while it may seem like 'luck' it is not.  If you buy a VW diesel car you really should not drive it until you KNOW the timing belt has been changed.  You either park it and do the timing belt or drive the one trip to the mechanic to have the timing belt done.  If you drive it anywhere else and it breaks, that's just your own fault, not luck.
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: air-cooled or diesel on November 02, 2016, 09:40:38 pm
shady deal. sale. while ultimately its you responsibility for esp a timing belt; at sale it would have been very neighborly and proper for salesman to let you know of needs of car your purchasing. better for many is to install a new timing belt. assy before sale. even better is to keep up on maintenance schedule and belt and other work being kept up on, and not a belt failing for how long before he decided to unload a rather simple fix on to you, not fixed. no taking it back now. i mean theres small claims court, but it wont get you back original motor. maybe theres other work that needs attention. 
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 03, 2016, 03:53:37 am
Bought car cheap off a young lad. Full service has had 3 belts in past. Should have had a new one on last but a know the garage it's been to and it wouldn't be me taking it there. A normally always cheats belt firstly this is the first time I have not and hey ho I end up here. My fault indeed. I can get a complete head off a good source with everything in good working order for £80. Then the price of head gasket kit and me mate will do work for £100.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 03, 2016, 03:54:11 am
Thanks also for feedback. Last site I was on was a load of rubbish.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: vanbcguy on November 03, 2016, 11:13:15 am
If you can get a good head that cheaply it's a no brainer! Around here I'd be looking at 3-5x the price .

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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: air-cooled or diesel on November 03, 2016, 02:42:59 pm
the head your planning to pull off, im sure is worth quite a bit; youll have to strip head, and get seats re-cut, to accept new valves. new valve assemblies, including springs, locks, and lifters. cam may be good. put intake/exhaust back on, and itd be good to go,
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 04, 2016, 02:51:58 am
The lad at garage said it's jumped one tooth on the timing. Has plenty comprehension and sounded ok when he cracked it. Getting timing done and new belt today. So a wait on his call see what he says. But a think am defiantly getting me mate to do the head replacement as it's from a good source so will be a good head as stated. All in a be looking at around £220/£250 for parts and labour and getting new head skimmed.

Cheees for help advice and comments. Seems a good forum. Last one a never got one reply on all 3 post I posted. Thanks all


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 04, 2016, 05:05:17 pm
Well car is up and running so see how it goes. It is spot on like to be fair so happy days.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: vanbcguy on November 04, 2016, 10:50:54 pm
If it still has the original head your days may be numbered...

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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 05, 2016, 03:32:03 am
A do agree but will face that if happens.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: theman53 on November 05, 2016, 09:29:08 pm
A do agree but will face that if happens.


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when that happens it isn't just some valves that need replaced. It can be the entire engine at worst or some rods or a piston. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 06, 2016, 02:59:43 am
Got a good engine cheap off a mates friend so worst case a get it changed. Just a waiting game a guess. Tick tick


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: air-cooled or diesel on November 06, 2016, 07:56:14 am
lost 2 pistons from an AHU of mine they both had to come from germany for like $350each, rods, well they werent any cheaper*(not to say rods are in a set),,
although if engine is still running (2full days later) you may well be ok. youll usually find out in the 1st 20minutes, but it can take 50 or more miles for 'it' to happen.
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 06, 2016, 08:23:54 am
Nightmare. Well I have done about 300 mile mostly hard driving. And it's spot on like.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: theman53 on November 06, 2016, 08:37:40 am
Usually happens 10,000 miles or less.
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 06, 2016, 09:07:50 am
Fingers crossed then a guess. What ever happens a get it sorted a love me bora. It's a good clean one no rust been looked after. Shame the lad never had belt checked but hey ho. Part of the joys of motoring.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: air-cooled or diesel on November 06, 2016, 04:05:29 pm
why after what happened would you hard drive, for a good few days take it easy, its too late now,
Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 07, 2016, 02:19:32 am
Well if anything is going to happen am sure it would do if pushed. Am not really fussed now to be honest. It's working. If it brakes it just go back and get fixed.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: stuartthompson on November 22, 2016, 03:57:59 am
It all seems fine a done over 2000 miles it's spot on.


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Title: Re: Bora tdi damaged timing belt.
Post by: amy333 on March 23, 2017, 05:54:54 am
 I have the chance to purchase a 2002 Jetta TDI for cheap because it has a broken timing belt - not a lot more information than that. What kind of.