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Engine Specific Info and Questions => Diesel Swaps => Topic started by: RadoTD on February 18, 2012, 11:36:37 pm
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Hello all. This isn't a post about "can it be done?" Yes, I know it can, I'm just hoping for some advice on what to do.
I need to build a truck, but I can't decide what exactly I want to do. The intent of the truck would be a light-moderate wheeling rig, but capable of going anywhere - hopefully South America at some point in it's life. Two friends of mine are building some pretty crazy machines that I'll have to keep up with, both big, both diesel. My two biggest criteria - SUV and diesel; 1 wire being a big bonus too
All along I've been thinking about a 60 series Land Cruiser; the bloated wagons. It would be great for long trips but just so huge and so hard to find a nice one. To get something without rust issues, I'll need to bring it up from Seattle or Portland, so that would involve inspections and having to travel a fair distance before even looking at anything. I can get a good price for the good 4cyl 3B diesel and unobtanium H55F 5sp tranny, so it could come together fairly easily. Spring over/highsteer/35's/rear locker/body armour would take care of the wheeling end of things. It would very quickly remove $8k from my bank account and be a moderate amount of work. It would be cool in the end, but I've been looking for months and haven't found a decent truck for a reasonable price.
The next thing I've been thinking is running my 2nd gen 4runner and putting the 3B cruiser diesel, transmission and FJ60 cruiser axles under the 4runner. I've never found anyone who's done such a thing and I'm not sure how well it would work out. In theory it would be great, but a fair bit of work, still a decent amount of money and not worth anything in the end. It would get the full leaf spring setup from the cruiser as well
I've gotten thinking though, what about a 1st gen 4runner and I drop the diesel from my Corrado in? 10K since I rebuilt it, easy swap, more than enough power for a light truck; it doesn't need to go fast. Very minimal wiring which I like and half the reason I'm excited about it is that I can get written off cars for cheap and I'd really like to throw a 1.8T into the Corrado. 4" lift on the 4runner, 33's, rear locker and it's trail ready. A bit on the small side for long trips, but a great truck in town/camping/etc. It could be put together for a very reasonable amount of money and would definitely have the best gas mileage of the three. Plus the VW heart would just be cool!
I suppose what I'm sort of wondering is what any of your opinions are. I'm more torn between the 2 4runners. I've got a good, solid 2nd gen and if the 3B and H55F actually fit reasonably well, that could be a good machine. The lack of modification putting the AAZ in a 1st gen would be pretty cool though. ACME adapter, some custom mounts and a bunch of funky little stuffs and I'm basically ready to drive. Anyone have any input?
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I would be hesitant to run any kind of IDI in a 4runner. The engine fits but I'm skeptical that you would get a drivable vehicle.
It's not just about power, but where that power is... VW engines tend to make power high up on the RPM spectrum, particularly compared to other diesels. That's just not ideal for offroad situations or in a heavy vehicle where you want that power closer to 2000 RPM. Just based on what wikipedia tells me, a 3b makes 160 ft/lbs at 2000 rpm. Of course, a Land Cruiser is heavier but the AAZ doesn't come close.
I like your trip idea though. It's something I've also wanted to do. And, Toyota diesels rule the roads in some of those countries. They are literally, like the national vehicle down there. You still see tons of Land Rovers... not in Mexico though.
I've wanted to build a VW/Samurai for a long time. Efficient and capable offroad vehicle. The VW engines work in them because they're light.
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I would be hesitant to run any kind of IDI in a 4runner. The engine fits but I'm skeptical that you would get a drivable vehicle.
It's not just about power, but where that power is... VW engines tend to make power high up on the RPM spectrum, particularly compared to other diesels. That's just not ideal for offroad situations or in a heavy vehicle where you want that power closer to 2000 RPM. Just based on what wikipedia tells me, a 3b makes 160 ft/lbs at 2000 rpm. Of course, a Land Cruiser is heavier but the AAZ doesn't come close.
I like your trip idea though. It's something I've also wanted to do. And, Toyota diesels rule the roads in some of those countries. They are literally, like the national vehicle down there. You still see tons of Land Rovers... not in Mexico though.
I've wanted to build a VW/Samurai for a long time. Efficient and capable offroad vehicle. The VW engines work in them because they're light.
i would use nothing less than a GTD5 in a 4runner.. i wouldnt consider using an AAZ or 1.6... DEFINITELY a TDI..
you have a 2gen runner tho, and its even MORE heavy than a 1gen runner..
and toyota diesels are junk..
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This is fantastic. You're going to use the compound yes? from the Corrado?
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i would use nothing less than a GTD5 in a 4runner.. i wouldnt consider using an AAZ or 1.6... DEFINITELY a TDI..
you have a 2gen runner tho, and its even MORE heavy than a 1gen runner..
and toyota diesels are junk..
The AAZ would just be for a 1st gen, not in my current 2nd gen truck.
I've borrowed/driven a couple 1st gen 4runners, one with a 22R and the other a 22RE and those were both drivable, certainly faster than a 60 series cruiser with a 3B or 2H diesel, I'd even say a fresh 22RE would give a turbo'd 3B BJ60 a run for it's money!
Searching around it seems to have been done many times and works well. At ~25psi, I should be able to make a very reliable 150bhp which won't move an early 4runner in a huge rush, but it should be bearable?
And yes, Ed, it would be the compound turbo'd diesel from my Corrado!
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i would use nothing less than a GTD5 in a 4runner.. i wouldnt consider using an AAZ or 1.6... DEFINITELY a TDI..
you have a 2gen runner tho, and its even MORE heavy than a 1gen runner..
and toyota diesels are junk..
The AAZ would just be for a 1st gen, not in my current 2nd gen truck.
I've borrowed/driven a couple 1st gen 4runners, one with a 22R and the other a 22RE and those were both drivable, certainly faster than a 60 series cruiser with a 3B or 2H diesel, I'd even say a fresh 22RE would give a turbo'd 3B BJ60 a run for it's money!
Searching around it seems to have been done many times and works well. At ~25psi, I should be able to make a very reliable 150bhp which won't move an early 4runner in a huge rush, but it should be bearable?
And yes, Ed, it would be the compound turbo'd diesel from my Corrado!
comparing a BJ60 land cruiser to a 4runner is like apples n oranges..
22rs are gutless.. all of them.. after owning a V6 powered mk1 4runner, everything less seems anemic..
your mk2 runner has the infamous 3VZ, no? they are amazing engines.. mines been to 8000revs and back more times than i can count.. its really a wheelin machine.. just stick it in 1st gear, high range, and let er eat! everyone claims the 3VZ is junk, but ive not touched mine in 100k HARD MILES.. i just wish it got better economy..
a TDI would be really cool in one tho.. 150hp would rip in a runner.. thats what my V6 has for power, and it really goes compared to a 22r.. the TDI will have like twice the torque of a 3VZ tho..
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Why not just put a 2LT (not a 2LTii) in your 4Runner?
It sounds like you have access to a reasonably priced source for Japanese engines.
I know that is unimaginative because that was a factory option so it obviously fits but if you're looking for a reliable vehicle offroader with good economy it seems like a plan. The thing about a heavily modified vehicle is that there's a lot of uncertainty and unproven things which is fine for running around town or local trips but when you are talking about a long distance expedition, IMO it's better to go with something that's been proven for millions of kms in vehicles all over the world. It's less frustration to repair something when you don't require custom parts. Wasn't that Toyota pickup on Top Gear, the one they dunked in the ocean and dropped off a building like a 1984 Hilux with a 2l or 2LT?
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toyota diesels are JUNK tho.. thats the only problem.
no way i would ever swap in a junk engine like that..
all the 2L and 2LT engines ive seen were all junk. only seen one thats still running.. and i would be scared to death to turn these engines up past stock power levels.. they burn valves and warp heads at stock power levels, so think of what they would do while turned up..
they were all replaced with 22r's for a reason..
i would stick with VW power..
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comparing a BJ60 land cruiser to a 4runner is like apples n oranges..
22rs are gutless.. all of them.. after owning a V6 powered mk1 4runner, everything less seems anemic..
your mk2 runner has the infamous 3VZ, no? they are amazing engines.. mines been to 8000revs and back more times than i can count.. its really a wheelin machine.. just stick it in 1st gear, high range, and let er eat! everyone claims the 3VZ is junk, but ive not touched mine in 100k HARD MILES.. i just wish it got better economy..
a TDI would be really cool in one tho.. 150hp would rip in a runner.. thats what my V6 has for power, and it really goes compared to a 22r.. the TDI will have like twice the torque of a 3VZ tho..
Yeah, I've got a 3VZ. I have no real problems with it... it is a fairly smooth running motor and it's healthy, but they just don't seem like great motors. 4.3 or 5VZFE would be fun, but whatever I build is going to be a diesel.
I'm mostly with ROR about the Toyota diesels. A bunch of guys I work with are Toyota/Cruiser nuts. There's a good supply of Cruiser diesels available, and I think the 3B is a solid motor, but haven't heard many good things about any of the other Toyota diesels.
Right now there is a 93 Hilux Surf up for auction that I'm going to throw a lowball bid on and hope I win it. It's got the 2LT-II with 130k on it. That would be a cool swap, but they don't come up often and I think that one will go for too much. Plus if I win that, I can't put a 1.8T or 24V VR6 in my Corrado!
I'm actually reading up on it right now and that 2LT-II does swap right into a 22RE truck, even the motor mounts are factory. That could be very cool and would have great resell value as well... It's even running a Bosch VE pump, not like the 2LT-E's electronically controlled pump. Unfortunately, it's a good $600-1000 tow away as well :/
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comparing a BJ60 land cruiser to a 4runner is like apples n oranges..
22rs are gutless.. all of them.. after owning a V6 powered mk1 4runner, everything less seems anemic..
your mk2 runner has the infamous 3VZ, no? they are amazing engines.. mines been to 8000revs and back more times than i can count.. its really a wheelin machine.. just stick it in 1st gear, high range, and let er eat! everyone claims the 3VZ is junk, but ive not touched mine in 100k HARD MILES.. i just wish it got better economy..
a TDI would be really cool in one tho.. 150hp would rip in a runner.. thats what my V6 has for power, and it really goes compared to a 22r.. the TDI will have like twice the torque of a 3VZ tho..
Yeah, I've got a 3VZ. I have no real problems with it... it is a fairly smooth running motor and it's healthy, but they just don't seem like great motors. 4.3 or 5VZFE would be fun, but whatever I build is going to be a diesel.
I'm mostly with ROR about the Toyota diesels. A bunch of guys I work with are Toyota/Cruiser nuts. There's a good supply of Cruiser diesels available, and I think the 3B is a solid motor, but haven't heard many good things about any of the other Toyota diesels.
Right now there is a 93 Hilux Surf up for auction that I'm going to throw a lowball bid on and hope I win it. It's got the 2LT-II with 130k on it. That would be a cool swap, but they don't come up often and I think that one will go for too much. Plus if I win that, I can't put a 1.8T or 24V VR6 in my Corrado!
I'm actually reading up on it right now and that 2LT-II does swap right into a 22RE truck, even the motor mounts are factory. That could be very cool and would have great resell value as well... It's even running a Bosch VE pump, not like the 2LT-E's electronically controlled pump. Unfortunately, it's a good $600-1000 tow away as well :/
yea, the 4.3s HAUL ASS when installed in a toyota.. its like dropping a big block in one.
same with the 5VZ.. those things are just as amazing as the 4.3, but neither are diesel..
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If you would already be doing a crazy build here, I would lean towards an ALH. With nothing but a stage 2 chip, and .216 injectors, you will be at 150bhp, and over 250ft.lbs. I've driven Catlins car with this setup, and HOLY **** is it fast. Instant boost, and power till red line.
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If you would already be doing a crazy build here, I would lean towards an ALH. With nothing but a stage 2 chip, and .216 injectors, you will be at 150bhp, and over 250ft.lbs. I've driven Catlins car with this setup, and HOLY **** is it fast. Instant boost, and power till red line.
not like a 4.3 vortec V6 chevy tho.. ;D
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They made at the most stock 165hp and 235tq. ALH FOR THE WIN. Probably still do 40's for mpg, and more torque.
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They made at the most stock 165hp and 235tq. ALH FOR THE WIN. Probably still do 40's for mpg, and more torque.
a Vortec 4.3 V6? 165hp? your nuts.. the TRUE VORTEC V6 engines were rated at anywhere from 180-225hp..
you have any idea how easy it is to get more power than stock out of a vortec V6? way easy..
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They made at the most stock 165hp and 235tq. ALH FOR THE WIN. Probably still do 40's for mpg, and more torque.
a Vortec 4.3 V6? 165hp? your nuts.. the TRUE VORTEC V6 engines were rated at anywhere from 180-225hp..
you have any idea how easy it is to get more power than stock out of a vortec V6? way easy..
My bad I looked up a normal 262cid v6.. Still ok so what kinda torque does it make?
250 lb·ft (339 N·m) to 265 lb·ft (359 N·m).
Can be achieved and surpassed with the ALH, and still probably return 40+ mpg in the runner. Could the vortec do that?
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They made at the most stock 165hp and 235tq. ALH FOR THE WIN. Probably still do 40's for mpg, and more torque.
a Vortec 4.3 V6? 165hp? your nuts.. the TRUE VORTEC V6 engines were rated at anywhere from 180-225hp..
you have any idea how easy it is to get more power than stock out of a vortec V6? way easy..
My bad I looked up a normal 262cid v6.. Still ok so what kinda torque does it make?
250 lb·ft (339 N·m) to 265 lb·ft (359 N·m).
Can be achieved and surpassed with the ALH, and still probably return 40+ mpg in the runner. Could the vortec do that?
no, but a Vortec doesnt cost a left nut...
and if i were building an offroad vehicle, i would keep it gas, for the explosive power factor.. the diesel has slow, laggy power.. and the gasser Vortec has SNAP.. its a totally different kind of power..
plus, that 500 pound vortec is going to make better traction than the 200 pound TDI..
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what about the 10mpg ? Using 75% more fuel will add up sooner or later. lol
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what about the 10mpg ? Using 75% more fuel will add up sooner or later. lol
my buddy gets 22mpg with his.. its in a 86 4runner, with 37" tires..
and it FUGGIN HAULS ASS.. (sideways until the trans shifts 3rd gear)
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yeah that vortec 4.3 v6 is the same as the 350 with 2 cylinders cut off. We had a guy run one in a modified dirt track car and would wind against the guys running up to 360 cubic inches. He could do almost whatever he wanted and wouldn't come close to the 360 limit, it reved to the moon, it did better on fuel than the v8's did and was tough as nails.
Still, I say diesel rules but not a TDI. I am really not impressed with my alh yet, but I am not going to do anything to it as it will hopefully last a long time for me. I say 4bt FTW!
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yeah that vortec 4.3 v6 is the same as the 350 with 2 cylinders cut off. We had a guy run one in a modified dirt track car and would wind against the guys running up to 360 cubic inches. He could do almost whatever he wanted and wouldn't come close to the 360 limit, it reved to the moon, it did better on fuel than the v8's did and was tough as nails.
Still, I say diesel rules but not a TDI. I am really not impressed with my alh yet, but I am not going to do anything to it as it will hopefully last a long time for me. I say 4bt FTW!
4BT is 700+lbs tho.. and were talking about a toyota here.
sure, they CRAM them in a ranger, but thats not even cool.. if i had a shoe horned ranger, the frame would break from the torque..
if im going to put 700 pounds of engine under the hood, its gonna be a chevy.
one engine i thought would be IDEAL for a toyota, would be a OM617 engine.. turbo of course.. there not too big, and they are EASY to get your hands on for CHEAP.
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yeah that vortec 4.3 v6 is the same as the 350 with 2 cylinders cut off. We had a guy run one in a modified dirt track car and would wind against the guys running up to 360 cubic inches. He could do almost whatever he wanted and wouldn't come close to the 360 limit, it reved to the moon, it did better on fuel than the v8's did and was tough as nails.
Still, I say diesel rules but not a TDI. I am really not impressed with my alh yet, but I am not going to do anything to it as it will hopefully last a long time for me. I say 4bt FTW!
4BT is 700+lbs tho.. and were talking about a toyota here.
sure, they CRAM them in a ranger, but thats not even cool.. if i had a shoe horned ranger, the frame would break from the torque..
if im going to put 700 pounds of engine under the hood, its gonna be a chevy.
one engine i thought would be IDEAL for a toyota, would be a OM617 engine.. turbo of course.. there not too big, and they are EASY to get your hands on for CHEAP.
Funny you mentioned that Kevin, I was just coming post here and see if you had/knew of any OM617's for a decent price! That engine would be sweet. It's apparently a bit of a tight fit, but not terrible. The extra litre of displacement would be great.
There is one someone here is selling for $150.. he claims to have blown an oil ring in saskatoon and drove it back smoking like crazy all the way to Vancouver. It's missing injectors and a diesel primer, should I be afraid of re ringing that and running it? I'm sure those parts won't be hard to find here at all!
And if this were actually a true wheeling rig, it would be gas... most likely 4.3 vortec. But, I want a one wire diesel because I'll be driving it as far into the middle of nowhere and hopefully back and I wouldn't trust doing that in something computer controlled
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OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!
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OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!
ive seen a couple of them, OM617 stuffed into a 4runner..
would be cool to do the swap, then build the hell out of the engine..
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OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!
Haha, I'm searching for a motor right now ;)
...anyone have an OM617 for sale? :)
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OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!
Haha, I'm searching for a motor right now ;)
...anyone have an OM617 for sale? :)
god, they litter Craigslist down here.. CHEAP.
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OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!
Haha, I'm searching for a motor right now ;)
...anyone have an OM617 for sale? :)
god, they litter Craigslist down here.. CHEAP.
Yeah, I noticed Portland Craigslist is full of them! I may have to run down south to grab one if no good deals come up here. There's one on Vancouver Craigslist, $200 without the injection pump. I got excited and called the guy, but in a thick Russian accent he muttered "No, motor gone."
There's someone, actually in Oregon as well who is making an adapter to bolt the OM617 to a Toyota V6 tranny now too! Cheap as well, $360 for the bellhousing plate and machined crank spacer. This is getting exciting :P
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oh..my..god..
THIS IS AWESOME!!
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dude.. this thread is soo full of win..
they make a bell adapter to bolt directly to my existing V6 trans?! and its from oregon?
i know what my next project is going to be!!
(i have a CHERRY 88 runner sitting with no engine, bought the audi 2.0TD for it, but i like the idea of a OM617 better..
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dude.. this thread is soo full of win..
they make a bell adapter to bolt directly to my existing V6 trans?! and its from oregon?
i know what my next project is going to be!!
(i have a CHERRY 88 runner sitting with no engine, bought the audi 2.0TD for it, but i like the idea of a OM617 better..
Yes, right to the V6 trans. He said he's from some rural area of oregon, I didn't ask exactly where though. We chatted on the phone for a while and he seems like a solid guy.. I'll probably be ordering that adapter up very soon!
After driving the car around for the day, it actually seems like a pretty interesting engine. From reading forums etc, everyone was saying how quiet and lacking in torque it was. Well, when I started it up looking at it and when I took it for a drive, I was amazed at first of all how quiet it was and second how little torque it had! Put some music on and I would hardly believe it was a diesel.
When looking at it at first, I thought it might have low compression, mostly because the diesely clatter was very soft. But, it did well in aircare (smog), even cold start (0C/32F) there was just a very light haze of white smoke from the tailpipe and blowby was minimal. All signs of a healthy motor. Also it ran smooth. It doesn't buck or jerk at all, even at it's 600rpm idle.. just purrs like a happy young kitten
The power curve is interesting but I think half a fueling issue. From a dead stand still, I can stomp the go pedal. It hits the torque converter's stall rpm around 1400 and stays there for about 3 seconds slowly picking up speed, then once it pulls from 1800 up to 2200 it actually kicks pretty hard and pulls strong right up to 4000rpm where the tranny shifts at full throttle. It has an LDA equivalent on the pump and I think what's happening is there is very little fuel being put in off boost so it has trouble getting going, but once it does hit boost, fuel is dumped in and it gets moving. Turning off boost fuel up will definitely help with that, although I don't know by how much. I'm not going to touch the pump until I'm driving the truck with the Benz engine, so I won't know for a while.
One comforting thing is that I cannot get it to puff any black smoke. Oh how I tried... matting it to the floor from 600rpm and not a whisp which leads me to believe that fuelling is severely stunted to help keep the soot down. Which, as we all well know, means there are many more torques to be had!
That all said, I'm stoked. This seems like it'll be a great motor for my truck. It'll never have the brute monstrous torque of a 4bt but I'm not going wheeling anywhere crazy and I've got 4.56's and only planning to run 33's so gearing won't be terrible. Popping the hood, the engine bay is incredibly simple so I'll have no trouble figuring out what to delete and how to assemble it in the 4runner. It rev's just fine... it'll be happy as a clam winding at 3000rpm all day on the highway, idles smooth and should give some pretty good fuel economy! 150hp is easily attainable which will push a 4runner just fine.
I'm tired and need sleep. This'll start off slowly but the project will pick up momentum in a few weeks!
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dude.. this thread is soo full of win..
they make a bell adapter to bolt directly to my existing V6 trans?! and its from oregon?
i know what my next project is going to be!!
(i have a CHERRY 88 runner sitting with no engine, bought the audi 2.0TD for it, but i like the idea of a OM617 better..
Yes, right to the V6 trans. He said he's from some rural area of oregon, I didn't ask exactly where though. We chatted on the phone for a while and he seems like a solid guy.. I'll probably be ordering that adapter up very soon!
After driving the car around for the day, it actually seems like a pretty interesting engine. From reading forums etc, everyone was saying how quiet and lacking in torque it was. Well, when I started it up looking at it and when I took it for a drive, I was amazed at first of all how quiet it was and second how little torque it had! Put some music on and I would hardly believe it was a diesel.
When looking at it at first, I thought it might have low compression, mostly because the diesely clatter was very soft. But, it did well in aircare (smog), even cold start (0C/32F) there was just a very light haze of white smoke from the tailpipe and blowby was minimal. All signs of a healthy motor. Also it ran smooth. It doesn't buck or jerk at all, even at it's 600rpm idle.. just purrs like a happy young kitten
The power curve is interesting but I think half a fueling issue. From a dead stand still, I can stomp the go pedal. It hits the torque converter's stall rpm around 1400 and stays there for about 3 seconds slowly picking up speed, then once it pulls from 1800 up to 2200 it actually kicks pretty hard and pulls strong right up to 4000rpm where the tranny shifts at full throttle. It has an LDA equivalent on the pump and I think what's happening is there is very little fuel being put in off boost so it has trouble getting going, but once it does hit boost, fuel is dumped in and it gets moving. Turning off boost fuel up will definitely help with that, although I don't know by how much. I'm not going to touch the pump until I'm driving the truck with the Benz engine, so I won't know for a while.
One comforting thing is that I cannot get it to puff any black smoke. Oh how I tried... matting it to the floor from 600rpm and not a whisp which leads me to believe that fuelling is severely stunted to help keep the soot down. Which, as we all well know, means there are many more torques to be had!
That all said, I'm stoked. This seems like it'll be a great motor for my truck. It'll never have the brute monstrous torque of a 4bt but I'm not going wheeling anywhere crazy and I've got 4.56's and only planning to run 33's so gearing won't be terrible. Popping the hood, the engine bay is incredibly simple so I'll have no trouble figuring out what to delete and how to assemble it in the 4runner. It rev's just fine... it'll be happy as a clam winding at 3000rpm all day on the highway, idles smooth and should give some pretty good fuel economy! 150hp is easily attainable which will push a 4runner just fine.
I'm tired and need sleep. This'll start off slowly but the project will pick up momentum in a few weeks!
i would NOT run 4.56 gears.. they will be too low, and make the engine rev too high.
i always ran just the stock 4.10 gears with my V6 engine, and 33" mudders.. worked out soo nice.
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Right now I'm at ~3000rpm for 110km/h which is just fine for the gasser... I'm never in much of a rush driving my 4runner anyway
33's would give me 2800 and 35's would give me 2650. Maybe I should just run 35's instead then? :D
Apparently the best gas mileage with the OM617's is around 2500 and lots of guys run them at 3000rpm on the highway anyway. I'll drive it with the 4.56's for a while anyway and see how it is
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Right now I'm at ~3000rpm for 110km/h which is just fine for the gasser... I'm never in much of a rush driving my 4runner anyway
33's would give me 2800 and 35's would give me 2650. Maybe I should just run 35's instead then? :D
Apparently the best gas mileage with the OM617's is around 2500 and lots of guys run them at 3000rpm on the highway anyway. I'll drive it with the 4.56's for a while anyway and see how it is
4.56 gears are NOT stock tho.. so unless someone swapped them in, or you swapped them, then you got 4.10s..
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My 4.56 diffs are factory. All the 2nd gens that came stock with 31" tires and 5sp trannys came factory with 4.56's in them. I double checked my axle code somewhere as well and it came up with 4.56's
*edit - here's where I checked my axle code against http://www.brian894x4.com/Gearratiosanddiffs.html
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There is no replacement for displacement.