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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Duster 5.9 on April 19, 2009, 11:08:11 am
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maybe it's just me and i'm confused, but why is there so much tdi stuff in this section of forum. I don't have any turbo cars. i don't want to read about them, (maybe someday when i get one, but i can go to that section) it's such a waste of readers time when you open a page and start reading to find out it pertains to a tdi car. ARGH!
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Just because it is a Turbo engine, does not mean it is a TDI.
If i take my n/a and throw a turbo on it.. its not a TDI its still an IDI.
The name refers to the fuel delivery system, not whether or not it has a turbo.
Courtesy of Vince Waldon, stolen from a vwvortex thread.
In a nutshell:
"TD" = generic name for IDI (Indirect Diesel Injection) engine with a turbo
- fuel is injected by a mechanically-controlled pump into a pre-combustion chamber in the head... hence the word "indirect".
- first-gen diesel engine design... 1978ish to the mid 1990s, depending on what country you live in.
- throttle is a standard lever and cable
- cold start is a manual knob
- glow plugs needed for even fairly warm starts, due to the large surface area of the pre-combustion chamber
"TDI" = Turbo Direct Injection
- fuel is injected by an electronically-controlled pump directly into the combustion chamber (a dished hole in the piston))...hence the word "direct"
- second-gen diesel design... mid-1990s to 2003
- throttle is drive-by-wire... no throttle cable
- cold start is controlled by the ECU
- glow plugs only needed for pretty cold starts
- fuel efficiency better than IDI
Three other flavors you'll read about:
"mTDI": a (generally home-made) TDI pump that has been converted over to manual control to remove all dependancies on electronics
"PD": Pumpe Duse design where each injector has a self-contained high pressure pump of its own driven off a camshaft. 2003ish-2006, again depending on where you live.
"common-rail": generic term used when describing current 3rd generation design (2007+) where the injectors are connected to a common rail fuel distribution that operates at extremely high pressures.
Wikipedia has pretty good articles on this stuff as well.
That should answer your question. :)
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TDi =
Turbo Direct Injection
IDI =
InDirect Injection
either one of these engines can be turbo or non turbo. if your engine has a turbo, the only significant thing that means, is that its got a turbo. TDI and IDI engines have very few parts that are interchangeable. prothe was going to TRY to make a tdi out of a 1.6, but we have yet to see that happen yet. myself personally, i dont think it will ever happen with cheap crappy chinese junk parts. maybe one of our fine machinists from the board could make something like that happen, but its not going to be made into an easy to build kit. it would just be cost prohibitive. honestly, if i wanted a TDI motor, it wouldnt be a 1.6.
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IDI= In-direct Injection from factory can be turbo or non turbo
TDI= Turbo Direct Injection Comes only turbo
in europe you can get the
SDI witch is Direct Injection with out turbo.
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isnt that basically the exact same thing i just said?
and ive seen direct inject motors without turbos before...
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isnt that basically the exact same thing i just said?
and ive seen direct inject motors without turbos before...
it is I was just simply making it clear, the difference from TDI and SDI
oviously you didnt read my post
TDI= Turbo Direct Injection
SDI= Direct Injection without Turbo.
in North America the VW Direct Injection always came Turbo from the factory.......
if that erks you, dont pay attention to my post.
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My goodness this is an angry thread.
Lets all sit back, take a deep breathe and crack open a beer 8)
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My goodness this is an angry thread.
Lets all sit back, take a deep breathe and crack open a beer 8)
usually threads that start angry will stay that way.
just a observation.
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who said anything about anger? honestly, couldnt care less.. but i think the beer thing is a good idea. its sunday, the sun is out, its a good day to drink beer! :lol:
or a good day to take the rabbit on a looper..
that sounds like even more fun, go burn some diesel and kill a few beers.
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TDI= Turbo direct injection
IDI= Indirect injection
Just Kidding! :lol:
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TBI= Turbo beer injection :lol: :wink:
IDI= Indirect injection
thats why pop like TDI :lol: 8)
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Wow did i open a can of worms :lol: I did not plan to piss in anyones diesel :lol: I guess i just learned something really fast, and i also guess if i would ever read the tdi stuff i could have answered my own question. anyway thanks for clearing this up for me and i hope other people learn from this too. SO for all you idi turbo guys/girls i opoligize :D
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this reminded me greatly of being on the Vortex :roll:
It got pretty heated.. probably the worst ive seen on this forum in my days here.. Good job on keepin it PG guys :P
Duster, if you hadda asked a question like that on the vortex you woulda needed one hell of a flame suit... lmao
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i'm pretty drunk. its awesome. i got drunk with no turbo on my car. its still awesome.
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i'm pretty drunk. its awesome. i got drunk with no turbo on my car. its still awesome.
CHEERS!!! Gotta love DBI (Direct Beer Injection).. I was coming back from the neighbors on my Golf cart, beer in hand!! Some A-hole cop flagged me down and tried to give me s**t.. I was in MY field not his road, at last when he saw me that is... :roll:
Oh yeah, My neighbor has a NATDI (Not A Turbo Direct Injection)... :lol:
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I heard of someone loosing there license for a year for driving his lawnmower and while drinking...
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I heard of someone loosing there license for a year for driving his lawnmower and while drinking...
noe thats just pathetic.. a citation i could understand.. but losing his license?
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Yup since if your driving a motor vehicle on the road you loose your license same thing in his yard, You can't even sit in the driver seat of your own car while drinking. The Laws around here are stupid
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I'd just like to point out that duster never replied :roll:
Which makes all the banter prior to this page even funnier.
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Yup since if your driving a motor vehicle on the road you loose your license same thing in his yard, You can't even sit in the driver seat of your own car while drinking. The Laws around here are stupid
Sorry, what the heck? That's so most ridiculous thing i've ever heard...
"Hey, be careful! no operating ride on lawn mowers while intoxicated! you might ... mow the flowers in your drunken stupor. Threat to society that is!"
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people tend to be in yards and, although it seems unlikely that you couldn't get out of the way of a speeding lawnmower, it could happen.
I don't think the laws are dumb. They do take the fun out of things though. My neighbor rented a mini excavator which would have been a riot to operate after a few beers, otherwise it's just work.
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In Pennsylvania people have gotten DUIs on:
Lawnmowers
Tractors
ATVs
Golf Carts
Bicycles
Skateboards
Motorized Barstools
Shopping Carts (WTF?)
Horse Drawn (Amish) Buggies
Sleeping it off in their car while parked in front of the bar
The nice thing is in this state as long as you are not on the road or on public property you can drink all you want...
I find it humorous that New Years Eve '08 there was a check point setp up in the parking lot of a local strip mall.. They directed all the traffic from the street though this parking lot.. Not saying this was a bad thing, but bad publicity for the PSP when the bank in the strip mall (no more than 150 feet from the troopers) was not only robbed, but the robbers GOT AWAY!
I can understand the laws (lost some good friends to a drunk driver) but GEEZ don;t they have better things to do? Guess there's more money to be made off DUIs and speeders than catching crooks, rapists, and murders.. Why else would there be speed traps every 10 miles the day after the governor annouced a spending freeze..
OKay I'm done ranting now.. Time for another beer...
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You can lose your license in Ontario for paddling a canoe. :evil:
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You can lose your license in Ontario for paddling a canoe. :evil:
experience Tyler?? lol
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You can lose your license in Ontario for paddling a canoe. :evil:
experience Tyler?? lol
My neighbor rented a mini excavator which would have been a riot to operate after a few beers, otherwise it's just work.
BAH HAHAHHAHAHAhAHHA1!!!!!!!1111one!!!111oneone!!!!eleven!1111!!!!!!
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You can lose your license in Ontario for paddling a canoe. :evil:
experience Tyler?? lol
Thankfully no
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this forum is nothing but drunks! screw you guys, im buying a honda :shock:
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this forum is nothing but drunks! screw you guys, im buying a honda :shock:
Now I know someone has been hitting the sauce!!
Beer and an excavator, PERFECT!!! WHat better way to crush the cans when you're done!
Paddeling a canoe... LOL What tipped off the law??? The guy paddeling in circles for 4 hours?
PA stopped enforcing the beer and boating thing years ago I think.. They probably lost too much money from not selling fishing and boat licenses..... No point in going out on the boat fishing if you can;t drink!
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You can lose your license in Ontario for paddling a canoe. :evil:
Really? I know that it is illegal in Ontario to drink in any boat while it's moving unless that boat has a liquor licence. I didn't think you could get a DUI for paddling a canoe or riding a bicycle while drunk though.
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SO for all you idi turbo guys/girls i opoligize :D
Wait, when did this forum get girls? :shock: Why wasn't I informed? :D
I thought I was stuck here with nothing but my fellow Y-enabled dieselheads. :p
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the DUI Law is the same here, anything with wheels on it that moves including boats, you can loose your license for operation while drinking. Which takes the fun out of eveything... :(
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I just realized we dont have a cheers emoticon on here or the drunken buddy smilley face passin out after he chugs his beer. Thats my only gripe about this site but im full of poop too.
look here
.http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=689030
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SO for all you idi turbo guys/girls i opoligize :D
Wait, when did this forum get girls? :shock: Why wasn't I informed? :D
I thought I was stuck here with nothing but my fellow Y-enabled dieselheads. :p
Yeah there is a girl on here that has a username ashleyroe. I commented about it and asked for pics...not bad ones just of a girl working on her rabbit :D she hasn't posted in a while. :(
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Here in the land of 10,000 lakes (Minnesota has 11,000) there are political activists trying to make the laws against beer on a boat more harsh than in a car. This newest head of MADD has the idea that driving a boat is much harder than driving a car, so they must protect us from ourselves. If you want a good lesson in hypocrisy, read his story - He's not a mother, and his kid was killed by a drunk driver without a license because of many many DUI's - so no law could have changed the outcome of his kid because such drunks don't care about the law and demonstrate it.
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Don't think its bad to drink beer on my slow float boat with friends - If I get to drunk, let my 12 year old son drive. Hey, that's against the law now too. Man, where are we going ?
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i love how we can't swear on this forum but everyone glamorizes alcohol consumption. maybe instead of kids getting drunk and dying, we could let them swear. :idea:
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you can swear on this forum if you want. however it is frowned upon. Talking about something that is legal in a civilized manor is not wrong is it?
Everyone consumes alcohol, sadly for you suckers in the states you gotta wait till your 21... legally of course.. :P I don't think talking of consuming alcohol on lawn mowers or boats is at all bad. No-ones boasting driving a car.. getting a DUI on a lawn tractor doing the speed of smell is ridiculous.. same for a canoe.. you can drown just as easy sober...
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It all boils down to this... People in general are getting dumber.. I blame Legos.. But really if the majority of people had to survive without someone telling them what they had to and shouldn't do they'd be screwed... I can only hope that this "Global Economic Crisis" that the media keeps jamming down our throats will spark some of that stuff that is mis labeled as "Common Sense" and maybe bring people down a peg or two as well...
Now days Common Sense would be somthing like this:
My car is 28 Years old and needs new tires... OMG I must go out and buy a new car I can't afford that will maybe last till I might somedya be able to pay it off.. That will be earth friendly too.. I will pollute less.. (Exclude the amount of resources consumed to make that new car, and recycle the old one)
Uncommon Sense (as it should be labeled):
My Car is 28 Years old.. Still runs okay, looks like crap though, and it needs tires.. Score!! 4 tires on Craigslist that ought to get me another year for $50... (Resources consumed? One gallon of stinky ole fryer oil!)
Maybe we need a rant and rave forum on here.. :twisted:
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And along came the Darwin Award. :D Keeping the gene pool clean! (ish :? )
hahahha a whole forum in the index devoted to ranting.
If i was a moderator and had coding privileges i'd set one up in a heart beat :P
It would have as many hits as the IDI section in a matter of weeks.
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Such a forum already exists... it's called the Vortex. ;-)
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damn canadians
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damn canadians
Don't you just love us? :P
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Go eat your cheese Canuck :!:
BAM!!! 4 pages of a generally useless thread!
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I LOVE USELESS THREADS!!
I resent your comment Maxfax :P
I will deny your reality and substitute my own where cheese and beer are free flowing patches heaven :)
GO CANADIANS! :twisted: :!:
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damn canadians
Don't you just love us? :P
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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How's that Lee Greenwood song go??
"And I'm proud to be a Canadian Cause at least health care is free
And I wont forget all the signs must be made bilingually"
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And I wont forget all the signs must be made bilingually
Only in the LOSER! provinces!!! :lol:
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Before this very off topic thread gets locked, I have something else to add which is good to know. Dalton McGuinty and his "nanny" government have created a new law in Ontario mandating 3 to 30 day licence suspensions for those who drive with blood alcohol levels between .05 and .08. In addition, these suspensions will go on the driver's record and affect insurance rates. This contrasts with how it was before where you got a 12 hr suspension with no record at all for .05-.08.
Half way down: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/impaired/fact-sheet.shtml#adls
This goes into effect May 1st.
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Sounds like a profitable deal with the insurance company.. Nationwide Mutual donates hundreds of thousands of $$$ to the PSP every year.. HMMMM wonder if that may be for speed law enforcement...
In this state there have been alot of situations of people getting busted for DUI when well under the limit of .08 as low as .04 I've heard.. The reason? When asked if they were drinking they were honest... Hmm sure makes me wanna be honest with the law....
(Canadian bashing comment removed after realizing the majority of the mods are Canadian.. :wink: )
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Ah, but being Canadian we're too polite to say anything. :wink:
On the other hand, put a hockey stick in our hands and LOOK OUT!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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All kidding aside for a brief second, we so-called "mods" have no issues with threads that wander off topic a bit... all part of the joy of discussion... assuming of course that both the topic and the discussion stay respectful.:wink:
As you were... !!!
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On the other hand, put a hockey stick in our hands and LOOK OUT!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
LOL People who say American Foot Ball is rough never saw a hockey game.. DANG!!!
Somewhat back on topic here, and I don;t feel like dedicating an entire thread to this till they get here.. .. I orded me some of those Prothe pistons.. I've been on the fence about it for quite some time.. Couldn't really find any first hand accounts of them ..
I did some research on Right Way Industrial whom are supposed to manufacture these.. They've been around since '64 originally based out of Tawian but now manufacture some in Malaysia as well.. Looks like they make for a little of every one .. (TRW, Nissan, Mazda, Ford, Kolbenschmidt)..
I talked with with the guys at H.P. Engines (my machine shop) about them them. They're pretty darn fussy around there and they didn;t have anything bad to say about products from this company.. I'll let everyone know what I and they think of them when they get here...
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OK, now I KNOW this thread is going nuts... Good comments about Prothe? What next, banana bio-fuel?
Beer + Bike = fun... ask me how I know...
http://vancruisers.ca/pics-videos/albums
Ehem, now back to your regularly scheduled program...
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I haven't said anything good yet... I'll wait till I have product in hand..
Maybe I was nuts for ordering anyhow but I emailed sunday night with a question.. No answer yet... Generally if I don't get a response in 24 hours on a week day I figure they don;t want to sell me anything.. I shoulda bought them on ebay.. If they sucked I could have at least left nasty feedback...
And banana biofuel would be do-able.. :P
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i do like hockey, have been playing since i was a wee lad.
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Prothe pistons...I believe one of the suzuki guys is running them and Dakotakid has them in 2 different engines and says they are doing great. I bought some and will be using them in my rebuild T/D. Not going crazy on the boost with mine and they look good. They all miced the same size which really impressed me, so at least the QC is good on them. Still don't like the prothe guy...serviced isn't bad it is NON EXISTANT.
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Beer + Bike = fun... ask me how I know...
http://vancruisers.ca/pics-videos/albums
You guys build custom bicycles?!? and then RIDE THEM!?!? DooooooD Thats cooool. Ive always liked bikes that look like that :)
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Prothe pistons...I believe one of the suzuki guys is running them and Dakotakid has them in 2 different engines and says they are doing great. I bought some and will be using them in my rebuild T/D. Not going crazy on the boost with mine and they look good. They all miced the same size which really impressed me, so at least the QC is good on them. Still don't like the prothe guy...serviced isn't bad it is NON EXISTANT.
Thanks theman.. THat's what I been hoping to hear, about the pistons anyhow (I knwo the service isn't) DId a search for prothe pistons but was overwhelmed by everything that it brought up..
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maxfax.. you got to christen two pages!! :P
lucky American..... lol
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maxfax.. you got to christen two pages!! :P
lucky American..... lol
Luck has nothing to do with it.. I'm an American, I'm entitled to it... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I dunno... LUCK!?
or Good Beer, and Free Health Care??
I think I'll stay in Canada, just in case my luck runs out :P
How is Obama treating you guys? heard hes bein a real DOOFER
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How is Obama treating you guys? heard hes bein a real DOOFER
He's a politician.. Politicians are doofers... I don;t feel stimulated yet either...
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How is Obama treating you guys? heard hes bein a real DOOFER
I am very concerned with the US nation. I would go on about everything for hours, but being I want to somewhat stay to GTD forum topics I won't say one thing about it. After all someone might like the current situation and I would be an outcast on here for the rest of my life if I let it all out.
Back to OP...I have always wondered why it wasn't TIDI instead of TD and just regular old IDI for the non turbo IDI? That would have made it easier for me a while back, and apparently you as well.
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I'm gonna go with theman on the politics thing and for once keep my mouth shut.. Honestly I don't even care anymore.. I know how to get by with my own means so I'm sticking my head in the sand....
Although on the TIDI thing.. Say that out loud and you may know why they didn;t use that designation... :wink:
While we're sort of back on topic, anyone else from other parts of the world been noticing fuel quality issues?? I posted somewhere else about this too I think.. Fuel quality as of the last few months has not been quite up to par around central PA... With this "Economic Meltdown" and that after last summer people have greatly cut back on their fuel consumption there is alot of surplus floating around out there that has been in storage much longer than it normally is.. (Some of it is actually being stored in tanker trucks!)
I started getting suspicious of this back in Feb as I seemed to be changing alot of fuel filters on my own and customer's cars (gas and diesel) ALso started getting alot of complaints of slightly reduced MPG's (for instance 27 instead of 30 ) At first I was blaming the cold weather but it's getting warmer and milage still suffers...
I've noticed when I fill up one of the gassers that the gas did smell a bit off which got me wondering even more.. I started asking around.. Mainly the truck drivers delivering fuel.. They pretty much confirmed that the fuel they were delivering to the stations was indeed older than usual..
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i have noticed that gas a few times has smelt like stale gas...
I wonder whats going on? a complete North American thing or what?
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I dunno if it's all of North America or what.. I know here in the North East US it's a growing problem.. Essentually what has happened is when gas hit 4 bucks a gallon this summer and slowed everything to a screeching halt fuel production was not slowed soon enough..
THen when prices droped back down to what they are now the demand didn;t increase as much as was expected...
This is where I'm not sure what is up.. If supply is high and demand is low, why is the price still where it's at??? Several media sources say it's because of the extra fees to store the stuff.. I'm not buying that.. Although I'm kinda glad to see the price not nosedive too low.. It's helping to still keep people wary and make some much overdue changes..
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Just like to say...
http://vancruisers.ca/pics-videos/albums
Van City... Booyah! :D
and Jer, Cheese and Beer? That's a sinister combination!!!
I too have had dismal service from prothe but his head and valves seem to be doing ok. But they have less than 1,000km's under their belt.
I have nothing to say about the gas smell or politics OTHER than... that i thought the US was a democracy? If the people living there have so many problems with it that they won't even get started in an assumed hot debate ... is it really democratic? :P
Hey Vince... we totally swept St. Louis ;) What now? :lol:
ps. i hope this thread doesn't get locked. It's neat to see the users interact in a social way slightly pertaining to mechanics. It's not like it's taking away from the other threads.
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Back to OP...I have always wondered why it wasn't TIDI instead of TD and just regular old IDI for the non turbo IDI? That would have made it easier for me a while back, and apparently you as well.
I can hear it now... "Oh, I drive a tidi" "A what!?" "A Tiddy! T-I-D-I, a turbodiesel man" "Oh, I thought you said you drove a boob..."
:lol:
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Beer + Bike = fun... ask me how I know...
http://vancruisers.ca/pics-videos/albums
You guys build custom bicycles?!? and then RIDE THEM!?!? DooooooD Thats cooool. Ive always liked bikes that look like that :)
Dang straight!! Bikes are a heck of a lot cheaper than cars too... $300 and you've got a brand new ride (or maybe a bit more if you're going "super deluxe")... Now we've got about 14 bikes stuffed in the house between me and my wife (she rides too)...
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how does this thread have over 70 posts!? :shock:
LOL!
Also vanbcguy thats awesome bout the bikes.. cool to see people taking huge interst in something as simple as a bicycle, i love it.
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Just like to say...
http://vancruisers.ca/pics-videos/albums
Van City... Booyah! :D
and Jer, Cheese and Beer? That's a sinister combination!!!
I too have had dismal service from prothe but his head and valves seem to be doing ok. But they have less than 1,000km's under their belt.
I have nothing to say about the gas smell or politics OTHER than... that i thought the US was a democracy? If the people living there have so many problems with it that they won't even get started in an assumed hot debate ... is it really democratic? :P
Hey Vince... we totally swept St. Louis ;) What now? :lol:
ps. i hope this thread doesn't get locked. It's neat to see the users interact in a social way slightly pertaining to mechanics. It's not like it's taking away from the other threads.
sadly we in the USA are a republic not a democracy. I think with the powers of the internet we could be a voting democracy, but as it stands we are just a democratic republic.
And I would talk on here but it wouldn't do any good and as far right as my views are most on here would probably ask for the BANHAMMER to come and erase me from the forum...so I will not speak about the Obam(a)ination in office.
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Lucas, I get the feeling you don't like your Over-ruler?
Democratic Republic? that's being too nice, Dictatorship. lol
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For some reason I can't figure out how this thread went from TDI/IDI to beer to Politics... :lol:
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this is officially my favourite thread.
Politics are a good topic.. and I can't wait to see what it will spark next :P
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and this made 6 pages lol...
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and this made 6 pages lol...
Yea really!! I gotta say this has been a fun thread with all the banter like someone mentioned earlier.. Although it's hell to keep from going on a 12 page rant when it comes to politics..
Without going too off the wall I feel out problem lies with the people in general.. This is SUPPOSED to be a government by for and of the people.. But anymore the people are too busy whining at the government to coddle their needs...
I haven;t been a real big Obama fan, but I like parts of his inauguration speech.. Especially the part where he basically said the governement can't do it all, you the people have to get off your lazy a$$es and do your part too... This is an overuse of cliches but we as a people need to get off our high horses, come down a peg, suck it up, and roll up our sleeves.. Some of the painfully simple things woudl fix alot of our problems.. Painfully in that they may require some unpleasasntness, inconvieniences, and plain ole fashined "doing without" and hard work..
We keep relying (heck demanding) that the governement keeps making everything okay then we're basically asking for that dictatorship..
Somewhat back on topic, anyone ever put their car up on a lift and have the nut that hold the strut cartrige in the front pull out of the strut housing?? THAT REALLY SUCKS!!! My housing cracked right at the very top.. Must be from the new crop of potholes left from the winter... I could have sewrved to miss the pot holes but as an American I woudl rather hit them, break my car, buy a new one I can;t afford and whine at the governement about not fixing the pothole.. OKay I'm done now...
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SAGA: This thread is starting to remind me of a certain one on another certain forum, EH?
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SAGA: This thread is starting to remind me of a certain one on another certain forum, EH?
At least it's only a thread.. And it's probably some Canadian's fault.. :wink:
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Read my lips, can we make it another 130+ pages?? Eh? :D
Hmm let's see now, we've covered "tidis", politics, beer, cheese, prothe, anger management... What's next??
Ahhh women!!! That oughtta be good for 150 pages... :shock:
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Hmm let's see now, we've covered "tidis", politics, beer, cheese, prothe, anger management... What's next??
Ahhh women!!! That oughtta be good for 150 pages...
Stupid Civic Drivers? or this Ugly POS I came across...
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/10/fear-the-muskrat-351-powered-mustang-ranger-hybrid/ :shock:
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All kidding aside for a brief second, we so-called "mods" have no issues with threads that wander off topic a bit... all part of the joy of discussion... assuming of course that both the topic and the discussion stay respectful.:wink:
As you were... !!!
That's what makes this forum so great...over at vortex a thread like this would have long ago digressed into a pointless, stupid argument with lots of disrespect and name-calling. We are a classy bunch of Canadians here with a few good Americans thrown in (j/k)...
I haven;t been a real big Obama fan, but I like parts of his inauguration speech.. Especially the part where he basically said the governement can't do it all, you the people have to get off your lazy a$$es and do your part too... This is an overuse of cliches but we as a people need to get off our high horses, come down a peg, suck it up, and roll up our sleeves.. Some of the painfully simple things woudl fix alot of our problems.. Painfully in that they may require some unpleasasntness, inconvieniences, and plain ole fashined "doing without" and hard work..
We keep relying (heck demanding) that the governement keeps making everything okay then we're basically asking for that dictatorship..
Yes Maxfax, I have to agree with you on this. Up here, citizens and opposition parties keep blaming the federal and provincial governments for the current problems with the economy, which really burns me. They keep saying that it's time the governments took action. I'm sorry, but there's only so much a government can do, especially when this problem did not originate in our country! A lot of people's problems are their own fault...they need to start looking after themselves.
As for your strut issue, no, I have never had that happen.
Go Vancouver!!!
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sadly we in the USA are a republic not a democracy. I think with the powers of the internet we could be a voting democracy, but as it stands we are just a democratic republic.
With the intellectual caliber of many of my fellow Americans, I'm quite happy we're not a true democracy.
True democracy is likely one of the slowest reacting, inertia-prone forms of government in existence, and it's problems only get bigger as the democracy grows.
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Stupid Civic Drivers? or this Ugly POS I came across...
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/10/fear-the-muskrat-351-powered-mustang-ranger-hybrid/ :shock:
Whoa, that actually looks cool, Only problem i see, is that they lifted it.
Drop that thing down to like stock stang height.. or even lower.. make it handle like a vette... Guys.. its like a New age Caddy.. Best of both worlds... :):):)
But yes lets bash on some civics some more, :twisted:
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Since this thread alredy has gone way of toppic hehe.
Why do the americans have so mutch truble making a car with normal handling? bladesprings on cars.... seriusly. that is a teknolegy the rest of the world moved past meny years ago. Most american cars cries for mersey when you show it a corner. Some of them lock great just standing there, but my god it feals like you`r driving a bathtub.
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Since this thread alredy has gone way of toppic hehe.
Why do the americans have so mutch truble making a car with normal handling? bladesprings on cars.... seriusly. that is a teknolegy the rest of the world moved past meny years ago. Most american cars cries for mersey when you show it a corner. Some of them lock great just standing there, but my god it feals like you`r driving a bathtub.
I have driven my share of newer american/domestic vehicles and I agree.
None of them, ranging from a 2005 f150 to a 2008 grand prix, take corners quite like my Volkswagen :P Im being serious.. I can wiggle my driver front tire about a 1/1-16th either way for a total of about an 1/8" worth of play.. my dads new 08 grand prix is SLOPPY in the corners.. bouncing all over the damn place, back end feels like its gonna fly out at a moments notice... I prefer crap box 25 y.o Vw over a newer domestic car. :twisted:
Im sure alot agree? lol
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I think that truck is ugly as a sin and someone should crush it and put it out of its misery.
We took a 08 Mustang GT out for a test...LOTS of get up and go...it would out run my MK3, but handling...i could take the exit ramps alot quicker....
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american cars all grew out of the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's.
they were, and are, made for big open spaces where displacement is king, and the most steering you have to do at speed is changing lanes to pass.
european cars(and asian cars for that matter) are built for making turns faster, and accelerating out of them better.
in the twisties an import will usually do much better, and on the straight domestic cars usually do better(of course there are exceptions to both)
the biggest problem I see with all cars at this point(domestic and import) is that they seem to think that HP is king, and are building these hugley powerful cars that end up being even bigger and heavier to support the power.
they are missing the point that its really the HP to weight ratio that matters, not just the raw HP numbers
just look at the bugatti veyron and the lotus elise, the bugatti has 1000HP but the lotus will still spank it with a mere 200HP.
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My gf's accent will put the beating on most cars on the highway...1.6L 110HP 106ft-lb of torque, Not very high numbers, yet the car weights next to nothing and has no governer...I know that one for a fact net says top speed is 185kph when that poor thing will hit 210... :twisted:
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american cars all grew out of the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's.
they were, and are, made for big open spaces where displacement is king, and the most steering you have to do at speed is changing lanes to pass.
european cars(and asian cars for that matter) are built for making turns faster, and accelerating out of them better.
in the twisties an import will usually do much better, and on the straight domestic cars usually do better(of course there are exceptions to both)
the biggest problem I see with all cars at this point(domestic and import) is that they seem to think that HP is king, and are building these hugley powerful cars that end up being even bigger and heavier to support the power.
they are missing the point that its really the HP to weight ratio that matters, not just the raw HP numbers
just look at the bugatti veyron and the lotus elise, the bugatti has 1000HP but the lotus will still spank it with a mere 200HP.
Can't actually believe i'm getting in on this thread...
This sums up why new cars need to have so much more hp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeNZluEhydE
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blackdogvan
Can't actually believe i'm getting in on this thread...
Your hooked on it now :lol:
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american cars all grew out of the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's.
they were, and are, made for big open spaces where displacement is king, and the most steering you have to do at speed is changing lanes to pass.
european cars(and asian cars for that matter) are built for making turns faster, and accelerating out of them better.
in the twisties an import will usually do much better, and on the straight domestic cars usually do better(of course there are exceptions to both)
the biggest problem I see with all cars at this point(domestic and import) is that they seem to think that HP is king, and are building these hugley powerful cars that end up being even bigger and heavier to support the power.
they are missing the point that its really the HP to weight ratio that matters, not just the raw HP numbers
just look at the bugatti veyron and the lotus elise, the bugatti has 1000HP but the lotus will still spank it with a mere 200HP.
Can't actually believe i'm getting in on this thread...
This sums up why new cars need to have so much more hp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeNZluEhydE
I'd Take that one from the 70's anyhow. lol WAY nicer looking car! and yes as you say, Power to Weight. Shelby cobra comes to mind, I read somewhere that in its stock form it has close to the PWR of a Mclaren F1. 427 Side Oiler, what kinda power were they making.. had to to be close to 500? A light body with a big roaring v8 GENIUS. I don't much like domestic cars. OHH YEAH we can accelerate hard in a straight line! boo hoo! you cant do anything on a corner! lool
Now don't get me wrong, i love American muscle, REAL American muscle though. In 1964 from the first Pontiac GTO until probably around 1973. When Chargers, Mustangs, Fire birds, Camaros, EVERYTHING started getting out of hand size wise. They started shoving big blocks in everything that came off the line, yet under powering them to satisfy emissions..!? I'm sure a good tuned small block not only puts out more tq and hp but is a lot more efficient than a 460ci making 190hp.
a 1965 mustang with a 289 Hi-Po would walk up and down the tuned big blocks of the 70 mustangs. Why? PWR! American muscles were good for one thing only.. Drag strip style racing, and trust me, i never thought id hear myself saying that!
HOWEVER! There were parts in Muscle history where they had things going on. Late 60's.. 68-69-70, the famed 427. 1968 mustang's were still on the light side and were being powered by the infamous 345hp (according to the books) 427. However most said at the time the engine was severely under powered due to emissions and insurance reasons and some were known to be pushing closer to 380-390hp.. That combined with a toploader trans, 9" rear, and some good tires. You had one hell of a car!
Back to the meaning though, American car makers have lost all site of what they had going on. Bigger is not certainly better. I think that has been proven with the newest addition of the HEMI. :roll: What were they thinking!? they took a legend, and ruined it. When the HEMI died in the 70's it should have never come back. I was disappointed to see it come back, it is a disgrace to the original HEMI name. EVERY dodge vehicel came with the option of a HEMI .. Yeah ill take a Neon.. yes with the Hemi... Yes with dual exhaust.. Yes with a 6 speed auto trans.. WTH!! The new engine was NOT a HEMI.. it was merely a 5.7 engine with soem performance factory tuning. a HEMI was a 426ci engine with dual 4v carbs. a HEMI was offered in real cars. a HEMI is hard to come by nowadays. I hate dodge. lol
SOO.. I think i can safely say I have no more anger built up inside..... :twisted:
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i am pretty sure the bugatti would eat the lotus except for on a tight track maybe...that thing is nuts
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I like GM cars, I think they handle fine. Chrysler on the other hand wow what junk. Ford, I just haven't been a fan, maybe because of all the ones except the diesel ones in my immediate knowledge were crap too.
Not going to do it. I will not.. I really want to but no... OK I am staying out of politics, I have other forums for that. I will leave you with this and this is really how I feel. "edit" FTW
*removed by mods*
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from the man with a cow head for his avatar we get BOOBS and quite the lovely ones at that. lol
Good Job Lucas, You successfully diffused this thread :twisted: :lol:
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oh there is more, but none so political as that and stimulating
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hehe looks like i sett something on fire with the handling post :P
I am obvously no american and i have never been over there, but the only reasonable explanation i can see on the handling part of american cars is less building coast, a excessive focus on comfort and the roads that looks like having no turns. On TV at least hehe:P
One thing is certain, they are mostly useless on our roads.
BTW: in Jeremy Clarkson we trust :D
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NOW I feel a bit moer stimulated.. Thanks theman!
In comparison our roads are pretty open and straigt compared to across the pond.... I also feel as though out roadways in general are not of the best quality.. At least here on the East Coast... Not to mention we tend to drive longer distances here too. So comfort is a big factor...
Alot of people don;t seem to realize that there are options for suspension on new cars, the dealers don;t really seem to push this much either.. My neighbor (with 5 kids) pretty much has to have a minivan.. When he bought his last one (2000 Windstar) he ordered a HD sport suspension on the thing.. Believe it or not it's one sweet handling minivan.. :shock:
For myself if I have to travel around local on all these hillbilly back roads I take the Rabbit, but generally If I'm going any distance I'll suck it up and pay the extra to drive the Lincoln.. After a 300 mile trip today in the Rabbit I'm reminded why I generally don;t travel in it...
Now if we could get some consistant quality on US autos.. Seems we get one issue remedied and cause six more.. The Buick mentioned earlier is a good example of that..The 3800, a decades old engine design from the late 50's early 60's has been a reliable, long lasting, and efficient engine.. The Lesabers and Park Avenues could pull 30mpg, not bad for a big car. The transmissions used with them well, the engines generally outlased them by 3 to 4 times.. As of the late 90's the 4t60e trans finally started to be pretty reliable, but they also thru this plastic upper intake on them.. Plastic is fine for just airflow, but coolant is a different story.. Quite a few 3800s died WAY too early (60K - 80K miles) because the intake deteriorated and spewed all the coolant in the air intake.. Grandma could throw rods though the block on her way to church..
Ford had just about the same problem only not quite as drastic, and Chrysler, well.. I think the Neon engine is a Hemi.. Or is it a pent roof? Eh who cares it'll be dead before it's paid for...
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Oh yeah I almost forgot, I got me a package from Prothe today.. Pretty fast shipping I ordered later in the day on Tuesday...
Took the pistons to the machine shop, the measured and weighed them.. All constant in weight and dimension..
Since he has a deal right now (order 5 items get 10% off) I decided to try a few other things.. I got a gasket set, some hoses, rubber v/c gasket, and water pump..
The hoses, well, were hoses.. The gaskets and seals seem to be of decent quality, dimensions and fitment was good.. The v/c gasket didn;t come with studs but I knew that upfront..
The water pump was in a box labeled made in china.. :roll: Steel impeller, bearings felt smooth, fit up to the housing just fine.. The gasket surface didn;t have quite the polished finish as some others but much better quality than a reman..
I guess time will tell on this stuff... I'm still planning on getting the bearings, HG, timing belt and tensioner elseware at this point..
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I'd just like to point out that duster never replied :roll:
Which makes all the banter prior to this page even funnier.
I did on page 1.
again i opoligize for being stupid. I can't believe my stupid question lasted this long. I thought this post would have buried itself. OH well! since it is already way off topic anyway i would like to comment on a few things. First off I was not hiding. My wife and I were tending to her uncle for the past 3 weeks in our home who was dying of cancer. well, today he passed. This has been a learning experience for the both of us and i would do it again. so yes today I'm sad. I would also like to comment of the PROTHE. I delt with him 1 time on a injection pump.WHAT JUNK!!! and for all you Canadians!!!! you are more than welcome in my driveway. Yes there are differences, but to me!!personally!! we are NORTH AMERICANS. I have a few personel friends that live in canada. I've never had a problem with a canadian. As far as all the dumb ass drinking laws yes they pretty much all exist in the drunk capital of the usa WISCONSIN. you can all drink one for me i rarley have a beer. Obama? yes i voted for him. am i glad? yes i am, he was the best joice at the time. I however side with most and that i'm not a politition and will not argue the matter. then we get to the car thing. Yes i love american muscle (american?) alot of it was made in canada. funny, i work in a huge grey iron foundry, yesterday i made castings that said and I quote "MADE IN CANADA". This is also how I have Duster for a username. I'm currently building a round tube chassis plymouth duster drag car. engine dynoed to 802 HP. I also remember a few people nocking chrysler. wel my car is not done yet, but when it is ,,,, BRING IT LOL! (jk)..well this is all I want to talk about for now so cheers and happy VW ing....
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LOL Duster just covered seven pages in one post!!!
There is not way I would buy an IP from Prothe.. I did buy one of his IP reseal kits years agot (not knowing any better).. And actually so far so good with it..
I only rip on Mopar cause it's an easy target, but bad in the day they could actually build a car.. I'm guessing that's not a slant six you're building.. If I ever get my Mopar done I'll race you.. :wink: I must of smoked a left handed cigarette or something cause I am building a slant six.... :twisted:
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Personally, now?
You don't have a sports car unless it's a standard transmission. If it's a slush, you just have a really overpowered turd. :D
Also, I'll have a double dose of that stimulus package, please. Or maybe her redheaded sibling? :D
Total sucker for redheads... it's going to get me in trouble someday.
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Turbinepowered
Personally, now?
You don't have a sports car unless it's a standard transmission. If it's a slush, you just have a really overpowered turd.
Also, I'll have a double dose of that stimulus package, please. Or maybe her redheaded sibling?
Total sucker for redheads... it's going to get me in trouble someday.
You and Me both Man :lol:
How did this go so far off topic....Its all Good
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The water pump was in a box labeled made in china..
This might sound stupid but were can you get parts made in USA, or anywere alse good for that matter? Recently I bought new brake discs from Napa, one came in a slightly bigger box and was made in venezuala, the other was made in china. They both fit good and work fine, other than the occasional squeel.
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This might sound stupid but were can you get parts made in USA, or anywere alse good for that matter?
That doesn;t sound stupid at all.. How many parts DON'T come from South America, Mexico, or Asia???
I used to be a stickler for the genuine OEM part.. But when I pull it out of the box and it has "Made in China" the same as the cheaper generic part and its made exactly the same how can I tell a customer that paying twice the price is going to yeild them a better job? Chances are both parts are probably made at th same facility...
Yeah sometime the cheaper part is just that, CHEAP.. It's a pick and choose game I guess.. I've installed the cheaper parts made in these places, and the "better" part made elseware only to find the cheaper one holds up better..
And you know what they say about red heads, the redder the hair the more fire in the. :shock: .. Well anyhow.........
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(http://bressler.org/photopost/data/31/redheads.jpg)
The last one may have given the wrong impression. I think women are created in the image of God and designed for our pleasure. I was just using that to sway our minds from the political section :D.
As far as redheads go is this what you were thinking?
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I LOVE REDHEADS!:twisted:
especially when the carpet matches the drapes lol
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I LOVE REDHEADS!:twisted:
especially when the carpet matches the drapes lol
ROFL :lol: Thats real Good lol...doesn;t everyone?
Redheads just look so innocent :twisted:
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I figured of all the threads, this one was the best to admit my love :P
Innocent readheaded girls.. ohhh mann.. They're never innocent! I have gotten in trouble because of one to many readheads... i gotta learn the hard way i guess..
atleast the hardway is fun as hell, and is like a roller coaster. :lol: :twisted:
lots of ups and downs lol
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Sorry to jump...but its april 25th...and it 26C out :shock:
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Sorry to jump...but its april 25th...and it 26C out :shock:
It's about 85F here (29c ??) I was tired of the cold, but am not ready for this kinds of heat just yet.. Parkin the VW today and driving the Delta 88.. It's like a good woman too.. Big, White, & Topless :D
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It's about 85F here (29c ??) I was tired of the cold, but am not ready for this kinds of heat just yet.. Parkin the VW today and driving the Delta 88.. It's like a good woman too.. Big, White, & Topless :D
Priceless :lol:
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Nah, This is priceless
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm124/maxfax3/scan0001.jpg)
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(http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/6/16/633492539317681012-pure-evil.jpg)
:twisted: Come here little civic
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Nice!!! I'm not sure which is more stimulating now.. The boobs, the redhead, or the Mercury...
Now there was a decent American car! The Panther Aero platform cars were such an unpromoted under estimated underdog.. Most publications ripped on them being a dinosaur when it came to design.. Hmm I would think if something is working stick with it.. Isn;t that what the Germans have been doing?
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Nice!!! I'm not sure which is more stimulating now.. The boobs, the redhead, or the Mercury...
The redhead, hands down. Back off, she's mine! :twisted:
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(http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/d/demotivational_poster-12979.jpg)
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Read my lips, can we make it another 130+ pages?? Eh? :D
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
"READ MY LIPS" "Eh?" LOL LOL LOL
I don't go to the other forum much, but I have read Hagar "hillbilly tuner" many posts and I can 99.9% say that is where you are going with that.
Eventhough selfproclaimed hillbilly tuner he doesn't seem hillbilly like what we have around here [me] per say. He seems too edumacated.
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(http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/6/16/633492515165500232-vtec.jpg)
:lol: I had to wait a few minutes so I could laught...
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Someone always has to go too far. :cry:
I think the mods have been pretty clear on the ground rules... this forum is intended to be accessible and respectful to all.