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For Sale/Looking For => Parts for Sale/Wanted => Topic started by: Jetmugg on February 11, 2013, 03:07:21 pm
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I need a steel flywheel to work with a 1.5 (IDI) diesel bottom end.
I believe that an 8v gasser flywheel will work.
Please let me know what you've got.
Steve.
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I don't know if 1.5 and 1.6 diesel flywheels are interchangeable? I do know that on my 1.6N/A, I upgraded my flywheel from the 190mm to a 210mm lightened gasser flywheel, this was on my 4A transmission. You have to also use the appropriate pressure plate for that flywheel, meaning 190mm for the 190mm and the 210mm for the 210mm. Also, keep in mind the timing marks on the flywheel will be different. I had to remark my gasser flywheel timing mark for TDC for the diesel motor.
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You will need clutch disc, pressure plate and flywheel from a gas car with an 020.
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All older 4 cyl 8v and 16v flywheels are interchangeable.
Why do you need a steel flywheel?
Not true BBOB, you could just slap a 210mm flywheel on the 200mm clutch and call it a day. There is no increased clamping force in the 210 over the 200 or 190.
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All older 4 cyl 8v and 16v flywheels are interchangeable.
Why do you need a steel flywheel?
Not true BBOB, you could just slap a 210mm flywheel on the 200mm clutch and call it a day. There is no increased clamping force in the 210 over the 200 or 190.
just the disc and pressure plate that's better?
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All older 4 cyl 8v and 16v flywheels are interchangeable.
Why do you need a steel flywheel?
Not true BBOB, you could just slap a 210mm flywheel on the 200mm clutch and call it a day. There is no increased clamping force in the 210 over the 200 or 190.
No increased clamping force? It's a larger surface area. It's well known in the TDI world that you change the 1Z/AHU FW for a G60/VR6 for the larger face surface and better grip.
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No increased clamping force? It's a larger surface area. It's well known in the TDI world that you change the 1Z/AHU FW for a G60/VR6 for the larger face surface and better grip.
Well that is a different clutch setup now isn't it? :P The larger surface area does not equate to better clamping force on the 020. It just means longer clutch life.
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just the disc and pressure plate that's better?
increased holding power comes from a stronger pressure plate ie, the 16v one.
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just the disc and pressure plate that's better?
increased holding power comes from a stronger pressure plate ie, the 16v one.
yes, I realize that it's a different set up but no really grasping why it won't increase clamping force.
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That was incomprehensible?
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When you have more area, more force is not needed.
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diesels = 200mm stock clutch size..
old gas 190, caddy 200, then 1.8 started 210mm
all 4 banger flywheels/pressure plates are matched in size.. in 94ish they dropped duel locating pins to a single pin.. so again match set..
disks.. any 190, 200, 210 will fit in the 210mm flywheel.. cannot go other way round though as the flywheel is not machined in clutch friction area for bigger disk...
now i have a odd ball older 190mm gasser flywheel.. the one with 3 reverse ears for the axle flange to slip past.. but cast vs steel... no idea.. sadly i do not know anyone selling a steel billit one either.. think they all cast.. for where they machine them for weight.. this one would weigh less still.. due to the ears.. but i think you want heavy vs light..
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When you have more area, more force is not needed.
That's a better way of putting it for sure. Larger swept area. I still don't agree with the above statements that a 190 vs 210 mm clutch will hold TQ the same. But whatever. ;D
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When you have more area, more force is not needed.
That's a better way of putting it for sure. Larger swept area. I still don't agree with the above statements that a 190 vs 210 mm clutch will hold TQ the same. But whatever. ;D
You do not have to agree with it. It is however, fact. ;)
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The bigger the plate the more friction is available thus you don't need as much pressure to hold it to keep it from spinning free.
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all i know is b3 with 1.6td, 020, will slip a 200mm clutch vs a 210mm, 8v disk, 16v pp... and 16v pp clamps more then 8v..
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Good info here. I need a steel flywheel because the sanctioning body (SCTA -Southern California Timing Association) requires it, as does the ECTA. They are the main sanctioning bodies in the USA for land speed racing.
I already have a 210 mm clutch and pressure plate setup that I bought from a forum member a while back. I don't know the clamping force of this particular pressure plate. I can check the part# when I get home to see if anything can be learned from the P/N.
I'm sending an email to Black Forest Industries to find out how their flywheels are marked with respect to timing marks.
Steve.
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W/e clutch kit/flywheel is on my mk2 I'm guessing 190mm thats stock for diesel right? It slips I think sometimes and its all brand new except flywheel wich was resurfaced 2k before I replaced cluch kit with engine swap. No oil leaks either. It's Sachs. So 200mm 8v disc with 210 flywheel and pressure plate way to go then in future? And for this guy as well?
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If your gonna replace it all, you might as well buy one of the stage 2 kits (maybe??) for not much more money. I think they claim to have a stronger PP than the 16v one, and the disk is made of better elements.
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I know, I know. It's another case of the might-as-well's. It's only money. ;D
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I know, I know. It's another case of the might-as-well's. It's only money. ;D
There alot of it out there to just have to make a net that big enough to catch the most :D
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I know, I know. It's another case of the might-as-well's. It's only money. ;D
Ahh, No disrespect meant. I was commenting on Bbob203's post of what go buy for optimal holding power in the future as he put it.
I mean.. you going for a land speed record with a 1.5D, is there really any necessity of any ones hobby? ;)
I hate myself every time I spend money on my '67 or my atvs.. but I enjoy it in the end lol
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None taken. I'm all to familiar with the might-as-wells. They crop up in every project.
Steve.
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bbob 200 on diesel stock...
clamping force.. really... ROFLAO... 1.5td looking for 105mph... LOL..
210mm flywheel the tdc is beside a flywheel bolt.. there is a nice pic in some help me flywheel thread.. easy to mark.. the bigger queston for them is how many dowels... different pp for the 1 vs 2
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http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=32632.0
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When you have more area, more force is not needed.
That's a better way of putting it for sure. Larger swept area. I still don't agree with the above statements that a 190 vs 210 mm clutch will hold TQ the same. But whatever. ;D
my 190mm setup held roughly the same amount of tq as my 210mm setup did..
once i went with the 16 pressure plate tho, i would just blow the tires off, rather than slip the clutch..