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Title: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on October 17, 2013, 01:11:55 pm
Here on the east coast, as you pass Washington DC, civility on the road is oftentime replaced by selfishness and inconsiderate driving, and in some cases bullying.  For some reasons, obvious and not-so-obvious, drivers move to the left and put it on cruise control (esp in MD).  Sometimes at the speedlimit, sometimes slightly above the speed limit and in many cases below the speedlimit.  Pulling up behind these drivers and being patient will simply not result in yielding to the right and allowing you to pass.  Thus, from DC to NY, you have to pass on the right far too often.  
Some left-lane-lazy (L3) drivers go further and ‘own-the-road’ thinking their control of the left lane creates safety and they set the pace.  I have observed these drivers speed up when you attempt to pass them on the right.  Hence Bullying L3 driving.  Which leads me to the point of my posting.  I have two vehicles, I thoroughly enjoy driving, because, if I want to pass you, you are going to get passed.  In most cases, there is nothing you can do about it.  One is my Caddy, now with a Giles pump, and the other is my Chevy pickup with a 6BT Cummins.  With both, I actually enjoy waiting until the freeway is going upgrade, put the blinker on and ‘whip’ around these L3 drivers, and in many cases that’s it.  I have had a few, that speed up and try to pass me and own the lane.  Normally, I like this, I love to find a ‘rabbit’ to set the pace and get the ticket, and if they fit that mold, I am good with it, but if they simply slow back down and go on cruise, which some will, THEY WILL GET PASSED again.  We can do this all day, and with my little Caddy, I’ll do it cheaper.

Throttle dispipline is do-able but with all power, it is intoxicating and it's easy to become a diesel power crack-head.  Too bad I can't make smoke on demand, like I could with one of my older pickups.  Both these will make exhaust plume but really won't make smoke, but they make 'move' well!
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: libbydiesel on October 17, 2013, 02:20:24 pm
Do you ever feel that the 'correctness' of the behavior of the other driver's might occupy too much of your own head space?  I know I do.  Do you ever feel that perhaps going with the general flow of traffic rather than trying to go faster than the general flow of traffic might actually be more fun?  I definitely feel that way.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: Syncroincity on October 17, 2013, 08:39:36 pm
No, he's talking about willful, on-purpose ass-hattery by the American Anti-Destination League. NJ and NY are plagued with these mickey mouse  who feel it's their God-given right to drive slow in the passing lane. They get indignant at the suggestion they move over to the TRAVEL lane to allow everyone else to proceed at a normal pace. They are the single biggest cause of road-rage and reckless driving due to drivers attempting to find a path around them.
There is a special place in hell for these people. It's all about them, you do not matter, no one matters but them.
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Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: libbydiesel on October 17, 2013, 09:10:28 pm
I hear you.  My perspective is that any time that I spend using my mind to focus on other drivers and what they do when they aren't actually within my sight is too much, unless, of course, I enjoy thinking about them.  The 'mmm, diesel-power' feeling I can grok with satisfaction.  I guess I'm glad there's folks out there willing to try to 'teach the idiots a lesson'.  I've just never personally found any bang for buck there.  I tend to be satisfied with other driver's who are anywhere within 5MPH above or below the speed limit and relegate them into the 'reasonable' category as long as they're not aiming for me.  Then again, I don't live in NJ or NY, thankfully.     
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: 745 turbogreasel on October 17, 2013, 09:41:26 pm
We seem to have a lot of them on the Cali coast too,  go inland 25 minutes, and most of the people you encounter know  how to drive.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: ORCoaster on October 17, 2013, 11:08:49 pm
My trouble with the set it on cruise and hang in the left lane are those that think that if the go just one mile per hour faster than the posted speed limit that gives them the right to take and stay in the left lane.  Forever!  Like the poster noted that causes all others that care to bump it by 5 mph faster to find a spot in another lane on the right to pass them.  Why they do the 1 + mph I don't know.  I do find that having the smaller car allows me to find holes through the crowd much easier. 

Now how do you deal with those going 5 mph less on roads that are only single lane each direction and the double yellow goes on for 10 miles.  Hit the passing lane and they up it 10 mph so you can't possibly pass as you are number 27 of 30 behind them.  At that point I do make the mental adjustment and pull off the throttle and stop fussing about my total trip time just extended by an hour. 

Some days you win and some you don't.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: libbydiesel on October 17, 2013, 11:45:20 pm
Someone driving the speed limit in the left lane is driving legally.  Exceeding the speed limit to pass that person on the left or the right is illegal.  Is the gripe that the person in the left lane going the speed limit is inconveniencing your ability to illegally drive in excess of the speed limit?
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: Syncroincity on October 18, 2013, 12:37:16 am
Someone driving the speed limit in the left lane is driving legally.

The law actually is "Stay right except to pass." on a multi-lane highway... Several states have roadsigns stating that. States that don't post it suffer more from self-important d-bag drivers who are completely ignorant of the concept of lane discipline.
Try driving like that in Germany, you will have a 911 Turbo up your trumpet and Politzei pulling you over for impeding traffic. Cops in the States just don't care enough to enforce it.

 
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Exceeding the speed limit to pass that person on the left or the right is illegal.  Is the gripe that the person in the left lane going the speed limit is inconveniencing your ability to illegally drive in excess of the speed limit?

Yes.  :) Ever get stuck behind two of these clowns riding abreast for 50 miles?

Keep in mind, most of our speed limits here are still 55, or even 45-50 on many highways. It's a long damn trip at those speeds.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: libbydiesel on October 18, 2013, 12:52:47 am
Just checking.   :)
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: funkaholik on October 18, 2013, 01:01:02 am
California has a ridiculous number of these left lane campers, especially here in the SF Bay area.  The concept of staying as far right as your speed justifies, and moving left one lane to pass someone slower than you, is practically unknown here.  As a result, there are people doing at, below, or just over the limit in the far left lane, and speeders weaving in and out of lanes, or sometimes even just flying by in the right lane. 

By contrast, I just returned from 2 weeks of driving in France, and it was amazing.  The slowest vehicles stay right, moving left only to pass.  The next fastest lane to the left moves to their left only to pass, or the slower car will move right to allow them by.  The far left lane is for passing only, and a few speeders. Traffic flowed so beautifully.  I don't know how we could start to change the mess we have here into the smooth flowing system they have.  Is it even possible at this point?

By the way, my rental car was a 1.6 TDI Golf, and it was awesome.  Love the bluetec feature that shuts the engine off when you come to a stop, and fires it right back up when you're ready to go again.

Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on October 18, 2013, 04:06:58 pm
I served 31 years active duty in the Military, and have had the opportunity to drive in every state, Europe, Britain, France, Germany,Canada Japan, Korea, and the area I spoke of is the most frustrating.  I-95 in MD at minimum has 2 lanes, and many places 4-6.  With that much road, mathmatically a traffic jam is hard to make.  But there are jams unrivaled.  Unfortunately, my work keeps me traveling thru.

It is so bad, that MD recently started giving fines for obstructing traffic.  Yes a ticket for driving at the correct speed (on or off cruise), but failing to yeild.  Same for NJ.

And this movement is likely coming to your state

Now that we are getting a lot of Illegals on the east coast:

This is a 'there I was story..."  65MPH zone, traffic flowing fast, some much faster, and it began to lightly drizzel, traffic is flowing, north on I-95, TEN lanes on one side, yes 10!  On the beltway, traffic will go right to I-95 in 3 miles, and all of a sudden every car locked their brakes and stopped, slid to a stop, slid sideways, veered off the road, and allass... started moving again.  What the heck was that?  Creeping about 8 MPH for the next mile I saw the cause, and I could not believe it.  7 Mexicans were stopped in the lane between 9 and 10 on the left side of the beltway as it broke from the beltway to I-95 (more than 10 lane), and they were tying their mattress back to the top of their suburban.  Right in the middle of the road.  Since then, often I see them driving in the left lane slow, much slower than traffic, and below the speed limit.  I ask this question because I do not know the answer.  What are the rules for left lane, yeilding, passing and the like in Mexico.  While I have driven in Mexico, it was one trip back in the early 80s. Granted most blend in, some stand out intensly.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: 745 turbogreasel on October 18, 2013, 09:26:25 pm
IDK, citizenship is hard to determine visually but  where I live is almost 60% Hispanic, and old people are by far the worst offenders.  the ones doing it because the are on the phone  bug me the most. 
I don't think I've ever had  issue with any car bearing actual Mexican plates.

Ca has had a 'no more than 5 cars stuck behind you' law since before the 80s.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on October 18, 2013, 11:38:29 pm
No my question was to what are the rules of the road in Mexico.  When I see patterns repeated, there must be a reason.  Mind you of the slow drivers, from Mexico, the offense is yeilding or correctly put, not yeilding.  These slow cases go real slow, like 10 MPH below and don't yeild like its the rule there. But back to the I-95 corridor topic.  When you boil the issue to its core, it is a lack of consideration, failure to obey law, and basically not caring about the law or others.  Or accepted practice.

I had a friend in my office, who was describing his driving habits, good guy, but someone wanted to pass and he ignored them because he was doing a few miles above the speed limit.  Said they flashed their lights at him and he brake checked them...  He was shocked when I told him he was an idiot, that he violated the law in multiple ways, and explained.  He was feeling proud of himself for not yeilding and brake checking a guy.  Could you have moved over?  Yes.  why didn't you then?  I told him, by law in VA and MD where it happened he could get a citation for obstructing traffic.  Later he told me he thought about it, and I was right.

Speeders are money maker and other violations are ignored by the patrolmen, sherrifs and police.  IMHO
Failure to yeild, failure to signal, and brake checking are actally more hazzardous to others than speeding within single digits to the limit.  Again IMHO.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: bbob203 on October 19, 2013, 08:38:48 am
I don't think there are rules in mexico. Everybody for themselves.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: RabbitJockey on October 21, 2013, 07:35:54 am
California has a ridiculous number of these left lane campers, especially here in the SF Bay area.  The concept of staying as far right as your speed justifies, and moving left one lane to pass someone slower than you, is practically unknown here.  As a result, there are people doing at, below, or just over the limit in the far left lane, and speeders weaving in and out of lanes, or sometimes even just flying by in the right lane. 

By contrast, I just returned from 2 weeks of driving in France, and it was amazing.  The slowest vehicles stay right, moving left only to pass.  The next fastest lane to the left moves to their left only to pass, or the slower car will move right to allow them by.  The far left lane is for passing only, and a few speeders. Traffic flowed so beautifully.  I don't know how we could start to change the mess we have here into the smooth flowing system they have.  Is it even possible at this point?

By the way, my rental car was a 1.6 TDI Golf, and it was awesome.  Love the bluetec feature that shuts the engine off when you come to a stop, and fires it right back up when you're ready to go again.



my brother just made a trip to germany, and one of the biggest things he talked about was how well the traffic flowed, even in cities and towns where you're not really going that fast.  he said the attitude of drivers is totally different, they are alot more aware of whats happening around them, and they're not in competition with anyone.

I honestly can't stand people that ride the left lane either, and i am not a hammer head driver when i am on the highway i just pick a speed and set the cruise control, i pass people going slower than me and i get out of the way for people going faster.

people here are sooooooo selfish, i they think everyone needs to conform to their driving habits, like all the jerk offs pacing the left lane, are these the people that couldn't make it as cops or something?  when people are trying to go faster than me, i don't hold them up, or speed up when they try to pass me, i learned a few times when i was much younger they are probably 10 times crazier than i am, and who knows when you'll encounter some guy who just lost everything in a divorce, got fired, and found out his daughters doing porn all in the same day.

I served 31 years active duty in the Military, and have had the opportunity to drive in every state, Europe, Britain, France, Germany,Canada Japan, Korea, and the area I spoke of is the most frustrating.  I-95 in MD at minimum has 2 lanes, and many places 4-6.  With that much road, mathmatically a traffic jam is hard to make.  But there are jams unrivaled.  Unfortunately, my work keeps me traveling thru.

It is so bad, that MD recently started giving fines for obstructing traffic.  Yes a ticket for driving at the correct speed (on or off cruise), but failing to yeild.  Same for NJ.

And this movement is likely coming to your state

Now that we are getting a lot of Illegals on the east coast:

This is a 'there I was story..."  65MPH zone, traffic flowing fast, some much faster, and it began to lightly drizzel, traffic is flowing, north on I-95, TEN lanes on one side, yes 10!  On the beltway, traffic will go right to I-95 in 3 miles, and all of a sudden every car locked their brakes and stopped, slid to a stop, slid sideways, veered off the road, and allass... started moving again.  What the heck was that?  Creeping about 8 MPH for the next mile I saw the cause, and I could not believe it.  7 Mexicans were stopped in the lane between 9 and 10 on the left side of the beltway as it broke from the beltway to I-95 (more than 10 lane), and they were tying their mattress back to the top of their suburban.  Right in the middle of the road.  Since then, often I see them driving in the left lane slow, much slower than traffic, and below the speed limit.  I ask this question because I do not know the answer.  What are the rules for left lane, yeilding, passing and the like in Mexico.  While I have driven in Mexico, it was one trip back in the early 80s. Granted most blend in, some stand out intensly.

i hate heading down around the baltimore dc area.  those people drive wild, whipping in and out of lanes, and no one looks when they merge on to the highway, they just expect you to make a hole for them, and you better or they'll merge straight into you.  unfortunately too, before the housing market crashed, alot of those people started moving to york where i live because they could get 4 times the house for the same price, then commute an hour to work.


anyways, i feel better now haha.
Title: Re:
Post by: theman53 on October 21, 2013, 08:45:28 am
I don't get bent out of shape over someone else who can't drive. I don't worry about passing someone until they are going around 5mph under the posted limit. I think the difference in the accuracy of the speedometer in the 2 cars could be almost that.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: RabbitJockey on October 21, 2013, 10:28:49 am
i usually don't get mad or anything, i just wait for a safe opportune chance to pass them.

the last time i can remember being enraged and fuming, was about 2-3weeks ago.  I have a very very frustrating to and from work, it's only 12 miles, but the entire 12miles is yorks only east-west highway, which is completely filled with traffic lights, and really handicaps the county, it's ridiculous. anyways a drive which should take 10-15 minutes can take any where from 20-45 minutes.  the last 3-4miles of my commute has no traffic lights, but trucks do not stay in the left lane, so at the last light on the commute, they get next to each other and pull out sooooo slowly, that half as many cars get through in any given light cycle.  the one morning, i was about 4-5 cars back and there was 2 trucks lined up at the light, of course they pulled out slow, and then went 45-50 right next to each other holding up all the traffic for the next 2 miles, then finally i held on my horn until the jerk off trucker in the left lane got over, i kept seeing him looking in his mirror trying to figure out who was honking, so i flicked him off to let him know it was me. what a jack wagon
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on October 22, 2013, 10:15:27 am
This thread started because I have observed a unique form of Left Lane Idiot in the DC to NY area, particularly MD.  MD simply should not have traffic jams on I-95 with so many lanes.  It takes stupid or tragedy to stall traffic in MD with the quantity lanes there.  But stupid is routine.

I cringe at the thought of going thru Washington DC, and worse coming south on I-95 (495).  To make the trip, I start early, wait for 11am-1pm and after and at night.  No time is good.

Coming south on I-95 in DC, is the 25 miles of hell where there is an HOV lane.  The HOV lane merges at the bottom of a hill and traffic engineers won't fix the problem for the last 7 -10 years.  The solution is put barriers in the left lane of the freeway from the HOV lane back 1/4-1/2 mile and up the hill past the HOV towards Fredricksburg.  HOV moves at speed limit and no one hit the brakes in the other lanes. Their solution is to extend the HOV south in the next decade.

When you are in traffic (especially stalling traffic) as much as I am, you notice patterns and behavior stereotypes. 
Like the saftey spacer - one who sets the pace, one of his/her choosing and keeps more than 2 car lengths per 10 MPH distance.  You'll observe people from the right filling in ahead of the safety spacer. 
The hole filler-must be faster in the lane with the hole-left or right or right to left.  Changes often.
Too cool to use signals - car is not equipped with operator that can use signals- beware this fool. 
Left-lane-Lazy- see earlier post. 
White knuckles - driver without confidence and ease and you must beware of their unpredictability. 
Country road slow - only seen in daylight in country areas.  Driving skills of a snail and a blind monkey.
Distracted Disaster- cell phone - makeup, burger, coffee more important than the task of driving
Didn't notice - car is either so luxurious, music so soothing, thought so deep that they don't see you-won't or don't yeild - often will move over to the right lane after you passed them on the right - whoops - it will happen again with the Didn't notice driver.
Speed demon - moves 10 MPH or more well above the speed limit and prone to braking and erratic lane changes. 
Bad load guy - stuff flying out of the pickup (especially trash) not tied down, loose chains or straps, rocks ready to fall off tailgate.  You might want to get out of behind the bad load guy.  Interchanges with the just dumped dump truck.
The good driver - uses signals, stays in lane and signals when changing lanes.  Rare but nice to see one.

Once a month - I have to make the trip from VA to MD and back.  I cringe.

Thanks for allowing me to rant.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: RabbitJockey on October 22, 2013, 02:23:46 pm
haha i have been in the md/dc area enough to confirm your rant, i don't know what the deal is down there, i think the more competitively people drive with one another the slower traffic moves.  who are they competing with 99.99% of people have a different destination than you.

along with the bad load guy, is the already has a wrecked car guy, i stay away from cars that are already wrecked or look to be poorly maintained.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: TylerDurden on October 22, 2013, 08:03:30 pm
North side of Detroit is I-696... some locals call it the autobahn.  When Detroit hosted the Super-Bowl, a local paper published a ten-point list of items for visitors to be aware of. Somewhere in the middle of the list was: "I-696: That's the way we drive, deal with it".

I spent over a decade on the I-95 corridor and countless times between Detroit, DC and Florida... NYC, Boston, DC, Jersey,... Europe too... nothing compares to the obliviousness and FU attitude of Miami drivers.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: RabbitJockey on October 24, 2013, 07:24:05 am
they drive fast as hell in florida, the roads are so flat and straight i don't really blame them.

but you know what else really grinds my gears?

this is a common on in york, drivers that are going to merge on the highway, then stop at the end of the on ramp.  its 10 times hard to get on the highway when you are going 0 and everyone else is going 70mph.

and another thing that grinds my gears:

this is on that very busy highway filled with traffic lights that i had mentioned, cars but mostly tractor trailers, that start making left turns when their light is yellow about to turn red or already red, then they waste half the traffic cycle for oncoming traffic.  i think we're all guilty of driving through a yellow/red light, but holding up traffic while making a slow left turn with your truck is another thing entirely.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on October 24, 2013, 05:04:43 pm
OK, for you two, I agree with your patterns and terms:

Freeway patterns and behavior stereotypes.
Like the saftey spacer - one who sets the pace, one of his/her choosing and keeps more than 2 car lengths per 10 MPH distance. You'll observe people from the right filling in ahead of the safety spacer.
The hole filler-must be faster in the lane with the hole-left or right or right to left. Changes often.
Too cool to use signals - car is not equipped with operator that can use signals- beware this fool.
Left-lane-Lazy- see earlier post.
You Ain't passing me - @^%&* *ss*ole who speeds up every time there are dotted lines then slows down on double and solid on your side.  Free way 'you are not passing me' (no southern contractions cause these guys are from NE) will speed up pass the speed limit to keep you from passing, then set it back on cruise to block you in.  Will speed up if you move to right to avoid these demented drivers.  Pure unadulturated *ss*oles just teasing for road rage.
White knuckles - driver without confidence and ease and you must beware of their unpredictability. Includes drivers that are going to merge on the highway, then stop at the end of the on ramp, when it’s 10 times harder to get on the highway when you are going 0 and everyone else is going 70mph
Country road slow - only seen in daylight in country areas. Driving skills of a snail and a blind monkey.
Distracted Disaster- cell phone - makeup, burger, coffee more important than the task of driving
Didn't notice - car is either so luxurious, music so soothing, thought so deep that they don't see you-won't or don't yeild - often will move over to the right lane after you passed them on the right - whoops - it will happen again with the Didn't notice driver.
Speed demon - moves 10 MPH or more well above the speed limit and prone to braking and erratic lane changes.
Bad load guy - stuff flying out of the pickup (especially trash) not tied down, loose chains or straps, rocks ready to fall off tailgate. You might want to get out of behind the bad load guy.
Already-has-a-wrecked-car-guy.  Stay away from cars that are already wrecked or look to be poorly maintained.
Late starting left turns when their light is yellow about to turn red or already red, then they waste half the new traffic cycle for oncoming traffic this is on that very busy highway filled with traffic lights.  Some cars but mostly tractor trailers.  While I agree we're all guilty of driving through a yellow/red light once or twice, but holding up traffic while making a slow left turn with your truck is another thing entirely.
Interchanges with the just dumped dump truck.
The good driver - uses signals, stays in lane and signals when changing lanes. Rare but nice to see.


Again, thanks for the rant.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: vanbcguy on October 24, 2013, 05:40:20 pm
The "f you you aren't going to pass me" on the dashed yellow - oh man, I had one of those on a recent trip.  She had her frigging minivan FLOORED with me in the oncoming traffic lane to try and prevent me from passing.  WTF??  We were in the wife's 1.8T Jetta Wagon vs. a Dodge Caravan, you think you're going to win that battle?  Saw my fastest ever speedo reading in the wagon since we got it on that one (there was another vehicle behind her, wasn't confident I could drop back in between the two of them plus no idea if she was suddenly going to slow down again or something if I backed off)

I was so pissed off I was shaking afterwards.  Who DOES that??  Then she was nowhere near me afterwards, the whole REASON I was passing her is she was going along just under the limit and then dropping speed heavily whenever there was a corner or a hill, no consistency in her driving.

One more type that isn't listed here... the "dirt bike daredevils" - seen along rural roads, they like to pop wheelies and practice stupid stuff like standing on the seat, etc... Can come screaming past you on the shoulder then slow down waiting for their buddies to catch up...
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: 745 turbogreasel on October 24, 2013, 07:12:02 pm
Ever see the yellow stickers at the corner of a big steel flatbed
'passing side'..........................................................'suicide'
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: ORCoaster on October 24, 2013, 11:46:33 pm
745  Have not seen that yet.  But I get it.  So should anyone else but I bet some scratch their heads as they sneak down the right hand side getting in all the mirror blind spots as they do.

How about those drivers that are in the far side of a passing lane coming against you.  So they have two lanes and you have one.  There are dash yellow lines between your one land and their passing lane.  Signs in your lane say yield to oncoming traffic, in otherwords don't try to pass if both lanes are full coming at ya.  Otherwise OK and legal to pass the car in front of you. 

So you signal, accel and start moving around the slower driver in front of you and from the far left lane coming at you is the only car on that side of the lane.  What is he doing?  Why move over when I just signalled to pass.  It is like they want to play chicken with you or something.  Choice is to continue to pass or back down and resume behind the slower driver.  Have had it happen on many of our limited passing areas.  Maybe they don't understand that the Passing Zone can be used for both directions of travel but the lane is on their side of the road. 

Other zones may not have this option as there is not enough length to the zone thus a double yellow line is painted between their lane and yours.  Doesn't anyone know the laws?  We have uninsured motorist coverage on our insurance policies, I wonder if we should have a cover for those that have no license? 
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: RabbitJockey on October 25, 2013, 08:05:56 am
basically what the whole thread boils down to is people not understanding how to follow proper traffic patterns, traffic etiquette, general decency, and politeness as a motoring citizen.  they teach this *** in school nowadays, there's really no excuse.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on October 25, 2013, 09:30:46 am
    Actually, there is an excuse.  Most of the patterns described in this post won't get you a ticket.  If you can put it on cruise in the left lane and make people pass you on the right, then you have no fear of doing it.  If you can go to the end of the freeway entrance ramp and sit there without getting a ticket, you are not fearfull of doing it.  If you can drive a winter "hooptie" like you can in michigan, then you drive it safe or not.  If there is not penalty for failing to yeild, then then you do not yeild. 
    Just the other day, a VA state patrolman was following a car in the left lane, and the car did not yeild for several miles, while there was opportunity to yeild.  Finally, the patrolman signaled to the center lane and passes.  The driver never came off cruise and did not get a ticket that day. 
    While you are supposed to signal to move left or right on the freeway, who really ever gets a ticket for not signalling.  So the law for signalling is considered a courtesy therefore optional.  The law says you must yeild right and allow others to pass, but if not enforced, the typical driver takes it as a courtesy. 
    For those who brag they are perfect drivers, such as the friend in my office who failed to yeild in his story and actually bragged about brake-checking the person following him, because he smuggly thought he was doing right, you'll and likely he again, until he had the converstion with me, and I told him he was wrong on not yeilding and for needlessly brake-checking the person.
    I am a good driver, but by far not perfect.  I habitually signal whether anyone is there or not, and don't wait until the last minute to brake (rant).  But I put a lot of miles each year, and I have time schedules to keep, so I often speed in the lower digits.  I know, going to hell.  Wait, I get ticket for that, if I exceed the 9 mph tolorance.
    I have no illusions that drivers will get better.  Because cars are getting smarter, and soon it will be the cars fault.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: ORCoaster on October 25, 2013, 11:09:47 pm
Maybe this upcoming Drive By Wire thing won't be so bad.  Anytime some drive is not going with the flow, has individuals passing on the right, fails to signal or what ever the car will automatically zap them in the shorts with something like a tazer poke.  Then the dash will flash a message about the stupid thing they are doing, or the voice from a speaker will politely tell them.  "Please signal right and allow others to pass in a legal manner." 

Siri won't have anything on that system. 
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: 745 turbogreasel on October 26, 2013, 02:47:48 am
Nissan Q50 is  the first production car with drive by wire steering.  it has a 'fail safe' mode, but I'm not sure I approve.
If you can set the controls to work  like Turbo Outrun i might be swayed.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on October 27, 2013, 10:25:00 am
Americans should not eagerly embrace driverless cars IMHO, because the first to be driverless where it hurts will be trucks.  Business' will least likely ship by train, and driverless is an introductory to that. Already, while other countries I have visited use trains, subway, street cars, americans won't ride them.  Driverless cars will be the introduction of the workaround to get people on trains, subways and streetcars.

I thinks someone has already thought about this.  How to get people to move fromt the country and suburbs to the cities and streamline transporation...  just no one interested.  new route...
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: clbanman on October 28, 2013, 12:16:44 pm
Ever see the yellow stickers at the corner of a big steel flatbed
'passing side'..........................................................'suicide'
http://dailypicksandflicks.com/2012/07/22/daily-picdump-527/passing-side-vs-suicide-side-sign-on-a-truck/ (http://dailypicksandflicks.com/2012/07/22/daily-picdump-527/passing-side-vs-suicide-side-sign-on-a-truck/)
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on October 30, 2013, 09:32:10 am
I have honestly seen a lot of things on trucks in the US, and I travel a lot, but have not seen that "suicide" label on the right side.  With trucks operating in the middle lane of our US three or more lane freeways, it's meaning and humor is deminished.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: RabbitJockey on November 01, 2013, 08:18:37 am
yeah i've never seen that either.  most trucks unless they are heavily loaded, drive just like cars and hang in the left lane.  i've had some wild encounters with truckers too,  i was driving through the mountains in new york coming back from rhode island when i had some crazy trucker riding my ass going up a mountain honking his horn and ***,  we were going atleast 80, the guy must have been on cocaine or something.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on November 02, 2013, 09:44:39 pm
yep
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: RabbitJockey on November 04, 2013, 07:40:57 am
ever since this thread started its like now i am just looking for people riding the left lane.  i left plenty early for work today, but still i was a little frustrated when i got stuck behind a left lane pacer, they were holding up 15-20 cars.  i think im going to sponsor a national psa for highway etiquette, once i hit the lotto.  i did still got to work early...
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: ORCoaster on November 04, 2013, 07:14:00 pm
They are the reason 007 had missiles installed on some of his cars.  Pace this!
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: vwroadkill on November 04, 2013, 08:11:54 pm
if we all had a 007 cars, the highways would be empty, I had a gentleman{ term used loosely} have an out of body experience Friday because I past him. the smile and wave gesture set him off. seriously I waved at him. he went nutz.. haven't laughed that hard at that time of morning in a while.
people today
Title: Re:
Post by: vanbcguy on November 04, 2013, 08:44:09 pm
A couple of my good friends just got nailed by an older lady turning right from the center lane on a 3-lane road, they were in the right lane. She said at the scene that she was sorry but she doesn't have good eyesight. :-\
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on November 04, 2013, 09:51:42 pm
Just refer to them as left-lane-lazy...  really hurts peoples ego.  I was following a guy from work, knew his car, so I busted him out at work for being left-lane-lazy.  I'm not lazy, man....  No I said, you are the stupid guy in the left lane on cruise control making people pass you on the right.  You'd think, after the first guy that past you, that you should yield.  Hey man, dude, its a free country... let'em pass me.  So I passed Einstein later that week and pull in front of him, and set my cruise.  He saw me at work, hey, I know that was you....dude,i said,  its a free country... (at no time in this recount of stories, for those who are speed natzies, was any speed limit broken.  Only common courtesy and yield right laws.  no one got a ticket, no accidents were force.  einstein will not wake up and smell the coffee, no change. 
Just don't call einstein lazy.  which I do now. often recounting this moment.

LEFT-LANE-LAZY. 

ever since this thread started its like now i am just looking for people riding the left lane.  ... i think im going to sponsor a national psa for highway etiquette, once i hit the lotto.  ..
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: RabbitJockey on November 05, 2013, 07:53:58 am
i don't make anyone drive faster, they shouldnt make me drive slower.

and i always yield and let people pass me, you never know who's trying to rush and get home to see their dying dog one last time, or who is mentally unstable and just lost their job, then their house in a divorce or what ever.  although usually the guy in a rush is just a kid or a coke head or both.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: RabbitJockey on November 05, 2013, 09:53:36 am
http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html (http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html)



theres an interesting list, u can see maryland has no yield laws, how ever va does.  but that explains why maryland drivers drive how they do to some degree.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on November 06, 2013, 09:32:42 am
thanks for posting the nations' laws on passing - yeilding right.

Actually, Maryland's law is fairly clear:

"(b)  Special rule for slow-moving traffic.- On every roadway, except while overtaking and passing another vehicle going in the same direction... shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. "

When you remove the exceptions, which do not apply on freeways, it's clear.  Must be clear, they give out tickets against it.


TRANSPORTATION
TITLE 21 - VEHICLE LAWS - RULES OF THE ROAD
Subtitle 3 - Driving on Right Side of Roadway; Overtaking and Passing; Use of Roadway
Section 21-301 - Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.
§ 21-301. Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.
 


(a)  General rule.- On every roadway that is wide enough, a vehicle shall be driven on the right half of the roadway, except: 

(1) While overtaking and passing another vehicle going in the same direction, under the rules governing this movement; 

(2) Where there is an obstruction that makes it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway, but the driver of any vehicle doing so shall yield the right-of-way to any other vehicle that is traveling in the proper direction on the unobstructed part of the highway and is so near as to be an immediate danger; 

(3) On a roadway that is divided into three or more clearly marked lanes for vehicular traffic, subject to the rules applicable to these roadways; 

(4) On a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic; or 

(5) On a roadway that is marked or signposted in a manner indicating that a contrary rule exists. 

(b)  Special rule for slow-moving traffic.- On every roadway, except while overtaking and passing another vehicle going in the same direction or when preparing for a lawful left turn, any vehicle going 10 miles an hour or more below the applicable maximum speed limit or, if any existing conditions reasonably require a speed below that of the applicable maximum, at less than the normal speed of traffic under these conditions, shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. 

(c)  Roadway with four or more lanes and two-way movement of traffic.-   

(1) On any roadway that is divided into four or more clearly marked lanes for vehicular traffic and that provides for two-way movement of traffic, a vehicle may not be driven on the left of the centerline of the roadway, except: 

(i) Where authorized by a traffic control device designating a lane to the left of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use this lane; or 

(ii) As permitted under subsection (a) (2) of this section. 

(2) This subsection does not prohibit the crossing of the centerline of a roadway while making a left turn into or from an alley or a private road or driveway. 
 

Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: Syncroincity on November 09, 2013, 01:03:07 am
Notice how he's in the left lane....


(http://i.imgur.com/qNGHOQD.jpg)
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: 745 turbogreasel on November 09, 2013, 04:15:04 am
Looks like hes passing some soccer grand mom in  a sport commute Suburban.
Title: Re: Bullying Left Lane Lazy Drivers
Post by: DogDiesel on November 11, 2013, 09:30:25 am
I can remember when truckers were considered to be the most professional drivers on the road.
The job I do, actually could be done better with a Commercial Drivers Licence (CDL).  I let mine expire.  So far, I have avoided a CDL, because when you get a ticket, the penalty is far greater than with a normal drivers licence.  I run into many former truckers who lost their CDL due to tickets.
I have a CL 6 Medium Duty Truck, and have driven CL 7 & 8s, and I am hardly ever in the left lane, and if so, not for long.
Most trucks are set up to run 68MPH, with 71 or so the top float speed. 
If a trucker is in the left lane, it is no wonder cars are passing on the right.  But it is amazing how many freeway jams are caused by truckers too far left.
Kudos for states like California and Michigan whose rules keep the trucker right.
The turtle truck in the left lane running with rabbits is poor judgement.