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October 08, 2006, 01:00:19 pm

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1.6 crank on 1.9
« on: October 08, 2006, 01:00:19 pm »
Will a 1.6l crank bolt up to a 1.9l block? What would this put the displacement at? It'd be a higher reving 1.X then the 1.9 because the stroke is shorter right?


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Reply #1October 08, 2006, 02:41:25 pm

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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2006, 02:41:25 pm »
hi,

The crank fits in, but you would need longer connection rods, to get  diesel-like compression-ratios.

Displacement would be 1,7l like the KY-engine in the VW T3-transporter.

Easier would be, to take a 1,6l hydraulic lifter block with 1,9l pistons & 1,9l Head: 1,7l & bigger valves and the Metal-headgasket (don't forget to drill the extra holes)

greetings, michael
Audi 80 1,6TD:
http://rapsdb.rapsinfo.de/detail.php?id=1807
1,9l TD conversion done!

Reply #2October 08, 2006, 03:35:48 pm

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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2006, 03:35:48 pm »
Quote from: mdonau
hi,

The crank fits in, but you would need longer connection rods, to get  diesel-like compression-ratios.

Displacement would be 1,7l like the KY-engine in the VW T3-transporter.

Easier would be, to take a 1,6l hydraulic lifter block with 1,9l pistons & 1,9l Head: 1,7l & bigger valves and the Metal-headgasket (don't forget to drill the extra holes)

greetings, michael


Thats not really much easier, unless you could score some 1.7 rods. You are going to need custom rods either way.

Reply #3October 09, 2006, 11:15:55 am

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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2006, 11:15:55 am »
hi,

you don't need other connection-rods, the stroke is the same and so are the partnumbers: 068 198 401 D in KY, JX,CS, JP etc (on all 1,6 & the 1,7l VW/Audi Diesel-engines)

greetings, michael
Audi 80 1,6TD:
http://rapsdb.rapsinfo.de/detail.php?id=1807
1,9l TD conversion done!

Reply #4October 09, 2006, 12:55:47 pm

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2006, 12:55:47 pm »
Getting back to the original question, i believe the terms are Over Square, and Dwell Angle.  The 1.9 stroke is too long to try 1.5 rods as well.

Over Square: From what I recall, for moters with the same displacement, the ones that have a bigger bore and shorter stroke will have a tendency to rev higher.

Dwell Angle: Longer rods give a better dwell angle at TDC and produce more power.

My appologies, the above is somewhat fluffy, but its true to the best of my recolection.

However, I'm in the process of building a 1.5TD.  What does the 1.5 offer us?  Same bore as the 1.6, shorter stroke, and longer rods.  So it looks like we have a motor that is more "Over Square" and has a better "Dwell Angle" than the 1.6.  And from my recolection of driving a 1.5 rabbit with the right gear box, they revved higher than a sewing machine

The reason for the build is to produce a winter rabbit.  My '79 round eye has never seen snow, and as long as I'm alive, never will.  I prefer to drive Rabbits so I have been in need of a winter rabbit.

I've obtained a clean '84 with a trashed 1.5 diesel, and have been contemplating doing this for years.  The rebult long block is back in the Rabbit. I have to put ALL the externals on, IE Manifolds, Rebuilt Turbo (Thanks Jake for the rebuild Kit) alternator, starter, IP, coolant spiggots...
It will be instrumented with preturbo EGT, and Boost gauge.  No, it does not have the oil jets under the pistons, but it does have the turbo exhaust valves, and with the putzing I've done with my 1.6TD, i think I can avoid piston melt down with out the jets. Initial set up will be conservative.

Snow is in the forecaste here, so the '79 might be going into the hangar for the winter.  The project urgancy is now elevated.  Hopefully, I'll be able to report in a month or so my findings.

I have also rat holed an extra 1.5 crank and rods to mybe put in my 1.6td if the 1.5td program yields good results.

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'79 1.6TD RABBIT
'84 1.5TD RABBIT
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92 Audi 100
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Reply #5October 09, 2006, 03:11:24 pm

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2006, 03:11:24 pm »
There is 3 type of 79,5mm diesel pistons, everyone needs their own rods. 1,9 NA and 1,9 turbo has different pistons and 1,7 has it own.