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jbg
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Posts: 2
Location: MD, USA
Posted: 08 Sep 2004 10:56 am Post subject: 1.6L mounting in a Dodge Omni??
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All,
I've recently came to the conclusion that I'd like a IDI VW 4 cyl. to play with and learn with. My question though is about the engine mounts of the 1.6L. Are they the same as a 1.7L from a Rabbit? The real reason for this question is, I'd like to mount a 1.6L VW diesel into a Dodge Omni. I like Omnis, am very familiar with them. I have a gas turbo model already, I think a diesel one would be pretty nifty, too. The original engine for a Dodge Omni was a 1.7L 'Rabbit' engine, however, it was carburated (no holes in head for injectors). My feeling is, if the 1.6L diesel and 1.7L gas have the same mounts then, in theory, I might be able to put the 1.6L diesel in the Omni! Provided I buy the 1.7L mounts that is.
Any information would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
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VWRacer
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 199
Posted: 08 Sep 2004 11:22 am Post subject:
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That sounds like a cool project, jbg.
My impression is that the counts are probably the same. Certainly the mounting bosses are the same, as the diesel and gas blocks are virtually identical (externally). If you have an Omni with motor mounts, my guess is that the engine would be a drop-in.
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Greasemonkey
Joined: 13 Aug 2004
Posts: 14
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posted: 08 Sep 2004 12:31 pm Post subject:
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JBG, does the Omni use a Rabbit (020) tranny as well? I'm really looking for some info on where to find a 3.42 Ring and Pinion for a VW 5-speed, any hints?
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jbg
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Posts: 2
Location: MD, USA
Posted: 08 Sep 2004 01:08 pm Post subject:
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VWRacer: Yes I too think it'll be a neat project. I'm going to see if I can get some mounts from the local parts place for a 1.7L Omni, then maybe find a diesel in a yard and compare notes.
Greasemonkey: According to my Chilton manual the manual transaxle for that engine is a 4 speed, I believe Chrysler calls it a A-412? There is possibly one other too, but I'd have to check when I get home. As for final drive ratios, R&P etc I'd have to see what I can find. I have a few buddies who work at Chrysler dealerships, maybe I can pick some brains for you.
Tranxaxle questions are next on the list. If the Omnis w/1.7L power used a VW transaxle (most likely) it really opens up some possibilities. Oh, and the 1.7L in the Omnis had an automatic transaxle option too, called the A-404, 3 speed auto, built by Chrysler.
Jim
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RedRotors
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Joined: 02 May 2004
Posts: 53
Location: Montreal, QC
Posted: 08 Sep 2004 01:35 pm Post subject:
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Greasemonkey wrote:
JBG, does the Omni use a Rabbit (020) tranny as well? I'm really looking for some info on where to find a 3.42 Ring and Pinion for a VW 5-speed, any hints?
Ditto for me..
Marc/
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fspGTD
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 344
Location: Seattle, WA
Posted: 08 Sep 2004 02:07 pm Post subject:
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I had one recently that I sold to Mr. Dave. I think he said at the time (several months, maybe a year ago...) when he looked, that none were readily available.
I bought my 3.42 R&P years ago from techtonics; they had it on their shelf. I remember that autotech used to advertise them for sale also and they were listed as one of the gears available through VW Motorsports / Quaife (which autotech is the importer of.) so you might check with those 2 places. Who knows maybe one cropped up on their shelves or maybe Autotech can special order them?
Rumor has is that that some 020 transmission was found in a Dodge Omni that came with a low-ratio R&P, which may work in an VW transverse-mount 020 application. I can't vouch for whether this is true or not though, and I have not heard from anyone who has successfully done this swap before.
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MrDave
Joined: 05 May 2004
Posts: 15
Posted: 08 Sep 2004 02:35 pm Post subject:
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Autotech now has a 3.32 R&P available, but it's for the later style 020 trannies (16V or A3/mk3 models). If memory serves, the 16V trannies had a larger input shaft, and were different around the bearing for 4th gear. $795, USD
http://www.autotech.com/catalog/trangear.htm When I picked up fspGTD's tranny, autotech didn't have anything but 4.xx R&Ps listed.
I've also heard that the early Omnis with the VW engine ran an 020 derivative tranny. My buddy has a later style Omni, but the repair manual (Chiltons?) shows 020 rod-shift with the oddball center-pushrod clutch in some of the pictures/diagrams.
I've looked thru the wrecker yards but have yet to find one.
-Dave
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RedRotors
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Joined: 02 May 2004
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Location: Montreal, QC
Posted: 08 Sep 2004 05:06 pm Post subject:
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In case no one noticed, this is a VW diesel forum....
This thread will be moved to the General Section..
Marc/
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