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May 22, 2006, 05:05:26 pm

firestorm13666

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« on: May 22, 2006, 05:05:26 pm »
Before the tools start to fly i still love VW's and have no hate for them.My guestion is about what is better for race.A front wheel drive car,rear wheel or all wheel drive?The car i was thinking of makinf a toy for joining the SCCA and so on is a 1988 Scirocco 16V,but i have been think how good would it be?My reasoning is the driver wheels being front wheel.I just want the best setup for all around racing.I would like to try my hand at SCCA,drag,and maybe drifting.So i am not sure a FWD car is best for me.I want to hear some real pros and cons on this and get as much info as i can.Thanks

Reply #1May 22, 2006, 09:32:59 pm

TDForNow

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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2006, 09:32:59 pm »
I'm not a pro (BY NO MEANS :oops: !), but my ultimate pick would be a Quattro with a 40%front/60%rear torque split and torsens in both axles :mrgreen: , but what classes would it be allowed in? Next would be rear-drive because of power change induced weight transfer :wink: . Though, I've gotta admit it's intoxicating when you figure out  the right brake/throttle-lift combination that makes a front driver REALLY tuck-in it's nose in a corner and when done on gravel, can provoke a beautiful drift :twisted:

Honestly, each has it's own merits. Sounds to me like rear-drive might be your best bet for what you have planned. My curiosity is piqued though, to hear what the pro's have to say.

Have fun :D  :D !

Alain
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Reply #2May 27, 2006, 04:38:31 am

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2006, 04:38:31 am »
make a rwd rabbit?
most of the time this is hilfolk'r... ive forgotten my password

Reply #3May 27, 2006, 06:30:42 am

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2006, 06:30:42 am »
Lots of arguments on this both ways.  Really, it's all about personal prefrence.  A lot will depend on how much power you plan on making.  For a given amount of power on a similar chassis, one being FWD and the other being RWD, a rear-drive will usually be faster out of the corners due to rearward weight transfer (over the driven wheels) which allows a higher output of power to the limit of traction.  That being said, if you are planning on a 16v engine, figure a good 130 hp or so, for overall reliability and performance- that with a light weight car, and good tires, and a decent differential, there will probably not be enough power to "overpower" the front wheels under most circumstances and should be plenty competitive.  Really the only time FWD starts showing it's disadvantages is when the car is either: A. making way more HP than both front wheels can handle for both braking, steering, and transfer of power, or B. improperly set up suspension which cannot compensate for weight transfer and smooth application of power.  (more noticable in heavy FWD cars, think a Chevy Malibu!!)

With all of that being said, I also have an 84 Scirocco 8v, and I know for a fact that even with mostly stock (and very worn) suspension, factory swaybars, and tiny (and cheap) 175-70-13 tires, the car does everything I want at the limit, diving into corners hard and lifting the throttle piviots the car around nicely and the 8v, even modified slightly, does not have enough power to overpower the front wheels.

On a side note, just the other day, I was zipping down a gravel road at about 60 when I came to a hard left turn that was over a crest and not marked.  I braked hard, and started my turn, and it put the car in a nice sideways drift.  Got back on the throttle, front wheels came into line and away I went.  If I were in my Camaro, I'd be upside-down in the ditch probably.  Which brings me to another point.   :roll:  Not all RWD cars are created equal.  My Camaro is a V6, with good weight distribution and big tires.  Should handle well, right?  Wrong.  Horrible understeer all the time until the rears loose traction, either by too much throttle or wheel-hop on downshifting, then it's urine-inducing snap oversteer with no hope of countering.  There is a reason why most Camaro's end up on drag-strips.  :D

Good luck with your choice- I know there is a guy on the Vortex who is putting a VR6 in the rear of a 77 Scirocco.  Should be oodles of fun when it's done.  :D

Brendan
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