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March 04, 2017, 11:06:46 am

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Injection pump timing
« on: March 04, 2017, 11:06:46 am »
I've read a bunch in the Bentley on it and understand getting the dial is the best place to start. However I have a motor at tdc now and I'm unsure how the new injection pump should go in to correspond.

Do I just bolt it up, throw the belt on and use the dial?  Is there a direction the "key" should be facing for tdc on the pump shaft? I have the mark lined up with the split in the support bracket. Sorry for the mess of questions. I'm still learning while I do this rebuild so. Thanks for any help.



Reply #1March 04, 2017, 02:41:14 pm

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2017, 02:41:14 pm »
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Reply #2March 04, 2017, 03:05:33 pm

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2017, 03:05:33 pm »
Are you refering to the direction of the key?

Reply #3March 04, 2017, 03:20:22 pm

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2017, 03:20:22 pm »
im reading another forum and it looks like the keyhole should be facing the rear of the motor with the sprocket lock in position.   

Reply #4March 04, 2017, 07:16:33 pm

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2017, 07:16:33 pm »
can anyone confirm this?

Reply #5March 04, 2017, 09:08:22 pm

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2017, 09:08:22 pm »
When the crank is at TDC for #1 (you must check the cam to confirm it is on #1 and not on #4) then with the lock pin in place in the pump sprocket/bracket, then the belt will be on the correct tooth when installed.  You still need to dial in the fine timing using a dial indicator or pulse adapter and strobe.     

Reply #6March 04, 2017, 10:08:14 pm

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2017, 10:08:14 pm »
Great! Thank you.

I had the head off and positioned first piston to tdc then the cam lobes both facing up and locked. Should be good to go.

Reply #7March 06, 2017, 11:22:32 am

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2017, 11:22:32 am »
When the crank is at TDC for #1 (you must check the cam to confirm it is on #1 and not on #4) then with the lock pin in place in the pump sprocket/bracket, then the belt will be on the correct tooth when installed.  You still need to dial in the fine timing using a dial indicator or pulse adapter and strobe.   

What kind of engine is this? I'm curious - it sounds like the same procedure as for my JX. Do all VW Diesel engine follow this same protocol?
Thanks

Reply #8March 06, 2017, 11:55:02 am

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2017, 11:55:02 am »
Pretty much yes, all the rotary pump engines have essentially the same timing procedure. Once you get in to the electronically controlled engines the dial gauge stops being a requirement, but otherwise it's the same basic process from the 1970's 1.5L through the ALH in the early 2000s.

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Reply #9March 06, 2017, 09:31:42 pm

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 09:31:42 pm »
The key/keyway do point to around 10 o'clock. That doesn't matter so much though. It does matter when you get the pulley on and start lining up timing marks. Lining up the shaft keyway at 10 o'clock does sort of give you a head start in having the pulley close to where it needs to be I guess. If the whole thing weren't designed by Germans I can't help but think the keyway might be lined up with the pulley's timing mark. :)

Reply #10March 06, 2017, 10:31:43 pm

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2017, 10:31:43 pm »
Key way points at 10, that gives timing mark on the pulley a noon position and that allows the pin to go in at about the 4 or 5 o'clock position with all points locked in place.  Just need to verify TDC on Flywheel and lobes on #1 cylinder are in the up position.   How simple right? 

Reply #11March 06, 2017, 10:43:36 pm

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 10:43:36 pm »
The key/keyway do point to around 10 o'clock. That doesn't matter so much though. It does matter when you get the pulley on and start lining up timing marks. Lining up the shaft keyway at 10 o'clock does sort of give you a head start in having the pulley close to where it needs to be I guess. If the whole thing weren't designed by Germans I can't help but think the keyway might be lined up with the pulley's timing mark. :)
For what it's worth the keyway lines up with the output passage in the pump head. It points to which port fuel will be expelled from at the other end of the pump. The 10 o'clock position puts it just before the discharge port leading to cylinder #1.

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Reply #12March 07, 2017, 05:46:38 pm

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Re: Injection pump timing
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2017, 05:46:38 pm »
But the keyway isn't what you should be looking for.
 There's a notch on the back of the sprocket that lines up with the line on the pump and bracket.

I don't use the locking pin or dial gauge. They just get you in the area they don't help tune it right.
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