Engine question for small truck.

[firestorm13666]

No offecn but i use a truck alot for what a truck is used for my car will be just a daily and not beat on or worked hard.So your idea is not going to work.Thanks for the help

[bhtooefr]

Something interesting on the GM diesels... I can't remember the site in question, but I've seen it. This was posted on TDIClub in a thread about a race between a GM V8 diesel, a Datsun(!) Maxima diesel, and a MBenz 300SD.

Hey, I was reading on this Diesel 350 site (a similar group to this one actually) that a lot of the problems with that engine were caused by piss poor fuel, the lack of a water separator on the fuel filter, poor quality head bolts and gaskets, and mechanics who reused stretch bolts (gee, does that sound familiar?). According to them, by the mid 80's high quality head bolts and gaskets were available, and resolved all the issues.

Without a water separator, water in the fuel would corrode the injection pump and cause it to advance the timing... which raised cylinder pressures...

-Jason

[firestorm13666]

Most of the porblmes with the GM/ Detroit Diesel engines were form what i have read over heating,on the 6.2/6.5 weak main webs and they were not made to be a heavy duty diesel in the frist place and well people beat them to death.As for the 4.3 diesel i have not hared much bad about it but i have about 5.7 diesel i hear was junk.My main problem with this engine is well trying to find one.It is up high on my list which i need to add to so i need help on what other diesel small like 2.5-4.0L 4's i can use and what kind of power the put out would be grate.Thanks for all the help guys and well if anyone wants to IM me on any of my names which are the same on yahoo/aim/and msn feel free to.Later

[bhtooefr]

That's actually discussing the 5.7 diesel, the post I quoted.

The 4.3 diesel is not derived from the 5.7, but it was made using the same method, and has similar issues.

[firestorm13666]

Anymore ideas for engines guys?

[shwartzbewithyou]

-Isuzu made one that's more common in the U.S. than here in Canada.

-Nissan had one in there Maxima in the mid 80's.

-I have seen advertisements for Toyota imported engines before that were diesel's for the Tacoma 4x4.

-Any Volvo diesel.
 
-Ford/Mazda made one in the late 80's that they put in escorts and protege's.  They're reallllly rare and if you find one please please please let me know before you gut it.  I'll trade you and make you a great deal on my 1.6 TD.  Beside's I don't think it would be strong enough for your truck.
-A reallllll long shot would be an old Toyota land cruiser.  However if you ever pulled a diesel engine out of an old ladcruiser and stuck it in your GM I'd probably come down there and beat you within a inch of your life.

-In 1984-1987 Chrysler had one put in the Jeep cherokee's.  I found one on the TDI club website and came really close to buying it.  I was set to drive down there when I found my jetta.  it was made by Peugot (sp?) and is apparently a nightmare to work on, but the beauty is in the eyes of the beholder so I wouldn't let it stop you.

-Also keep your eyes open on Ebay for the old mail trucks and old jeeps that were used as military.  Although the most common are the jeeps that they used to move the airplanes around at an airport.  They are more common to find than an old military jeep and thus more inexpensive.
At that point comes the pleasure of mating these things up to your GM.
Good luck with that.
I can't remember most of the engine codes for all these.  The best place to hang out at this point would be the biodiesel/SVO/WVO forums.  Their not specific to any make or manufacturer (although their are alot of mercedes owners on there).  You can find all kinds of ideas for an engine swap there.  They'll probably give you most of the ideas that we've already specified but their may be more.

[zyewdall]

Well.... the chances of finding something cheap and easy to drop into an S10 is pretty slim.  The small diesel's in the 2 to 4 liter range are all pretty expensive, due to their rarity in the US.  I usually see the 4 cylinder pickups go for about $4,000 or more, if they're in good shape.  The US manufacturers never made small diesels (the ford ranger was the only one with a diesel at all, and it used a mazda then a mitsubishi engine).    It's possible you could find one with a wrecked body and good engine and tranny still, but you'd still have to stick it in a truck it wasn't designed for.   Check out ebay for used diesel engines -- they often have quite a variety of four cylinder diesels from various trucks on there.

[bhtooefr]

Actually, not quite true.

The S10 was available with a 2.2L? Isuzu NA diesel, and the Dodge Ram 50 was available with a 2.3L Mitsubishi turbodiesel (actually, the same Mitsu diesel as found in the Ranger turbodiesel).

[crazybushman]

Here in Canada the s-10 and chevette both came with an Isuzu diesel for at least a year, they are very rare though...  Your best bet (assuming your truck is 2wd) is to get a Mercedes 300TD as mentioned earlier and keep the Mercedes auto, modify your driveshaft and make it fit.  This engine will outlast your childrens children :-)

Cheers!
Tyler

[zyewdall]

Here in Canada the s-10 and chevette both came with an Isuzu diesel for at least a year, they are very rare though...  

I knew that the chevy luv was a rebadged isuzu pup, and as such, came with the same 2.2 liter diesel, but I did not know that they continued the diesel engine when they began production of the S10 in the US instead of importing isuzus.  Interesting to know.

I also hear that the ford F150 is getting a 6 cylinder mitsubish turbo diesel next year (probably the same one used in all the mitsubishi fuso delivery trucks?).  I wonder when they'll bring back the diesel in the Ford ranger again (in the US -- all the south african ones are diesel already)

[shwartzbewithyou]

Here in Canada the s-10 and chevette both came with an Isuzu diesel for at least a year, they are very rare though...  

I also hear that the ford F150 is getting a 6 cylinder mitsubish turbo diesel next year (probably the same one used in all the mitsubishi fuso delivery trucks?).  I wonder when they'll bring back the diesel in the Ford ranger again (in the US -- all the south african ones are diesel already)

It won't be long now.  Diesel seems to be the thing that everybody's looking to in the future with the new Cherokee's and I heard that they even have one available for the Hyundai Sante Fe?
Although this will start to affect us with stricter emission laws and more involved testing soon to follow.

[crazybushman]

DIESEL ENGINE, 4CYL. 86 isuzu and rebuilt tranny in an 83 S15 perfect running order. $1200.00 OBO. 256-9121 $1200. obo. Winnipeg. Tel: 204-256-9121
    Tel: 204‑256‑9121

Cheers!
Tyler

[Patrick]

Knew a guy once that had a Datsun pickup that came with a diesel too. Supposed to be bulletproof.

[firestorm13666]

Well looks like iam going to a small block for because almost all the parts are free to me but a trans and mounts.I do want to go diesel later on maybe in a bigger truck or in this one not usre yet only time will tell.

[houseofdiesel]

Nissan diesels were pretty common back in the day, the 720 series pick up (hard body) in the early eighties, they had the SD22 and SD25 (2.2 and 2.5, really good power numbers for non turbo).
Toyota L, 1L, 2L and 2LT diesels are excellent choices aswell as the Land Cruiser motors 3B, the stock S10 diesel was an Isuzu as mentioned, Mercedes diesels (but terrible for towing, the auto trans is not set up for it), I know of repowered Ford Ranger with a 5 cyl 617 mercedes td and auto trans, the truck has the shakes just like the cars! What about truck refridgeration motors, some of them were 4 cylinder...the engines are out there but you have to get dirty finding them (in the yards that is). If someone is selling it on the net or in print it will be expensive nowadays...
Greg