Tuned IDI vs VR6.

[TimpanogosSlim]

wow i have ignored this thread all this time because i thought it was about some kind of race or something.

uh, carry on.

[745 turbogreasel]

Say a guy had  a totally  non functioning dynamic advance...
Where would you bet on him running out of steam?

[RabbitJockey]

Say a guy had  a totally  non functioning dynamic advance...
Where would you bet on him running out of steam?

quoted for emphasis

[TylerDurden]

^^ I'm not so sure the symptoms would be the same. Yes, lack of power, but retarded timing would also produce grey smoke if fueling were otherwise proper.  (The results would be easy enough for anyone else to test, replace the spring with a solid block.)

As stated earlier, the cone can't do jack if there is no boost. Likewise, the full-load adjustment needs to be set for additional fuel - the cone can't move the collar further than the full-load will allow.

[RabbitJockey]

Say a guy had  a totally  non functioning dynamic advance...
Where would you bet on him running out of steam?

also mixing up the in and out banjo bolts can do this, or even having 2 in bolts on the injection pump

[jaed_43725]

theman53: I have the boost. I am not running out of boost, the air is there. I have fuel until 3,300 RPM. That is one of the issues. And it is a factory issue. The K14 is just fine. A K24 is to big for the 1.6. If there were a K20 that would be perfect. The K24 on a 1.6 no matter what you do will be very very slow to boost. And by the time you get to say 15 psi you are nearing the 3,300 defueling line set by the factory. That is why I traded it. A 1.9 will work with it just fine though.

Perhaps I will go VNT (assuming it will actually work) and have my pump built to fuel until about 5,500 RPM. And then change my trans.

[hillfolk'r]

I'm tapping out on this one. Something about drinking horses and water....

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Lol.

I don't want to be mean or condescending, jaed_43725, but the attitude you've consistently displayed is more in keeping with the Vortex forums; there are a number of VERY knowledgeable people on this forum, several of whom who have tried to help sort out the problems you seem to be experiencing, and you're telling them that they don't know what they're talking about. Makes me wonder...

Man this is crazy. I didn't know a k14 is the perfect size. Mine was always the quickest and fastest with just a Garrett from a mk2. The equal kkk IMO sucked ass, and I lost at least .3 sec in the 1/4 with it. And it blew up too. I say forget the stock turbo for any kinda performance , unless ya like time bombs.  And I did like em back then, but I got better things to do then swappin played out boneyard turbos.
And revs. Let it go to governor. They love it. Hell, back in the day, pops used to downshift his idi climbing a hill , like 1mph under the redline for the next lower gear.  Just let it sit in 3rd on the governor for 4 or 5 miles up a hill. That engine went well over 200k. I let my mk2 sit at 4000-4500 for 2-3 hours at a clip. Ya know what I say to the noise? Wear earplugs! Turn up the radio!!  Heh. Brick the gas pedal, that thing will sit there for weeks before it blows.

[theman53]

theman53: I have the boost. I am not running out of boost, the air is there. I have fuel until 3,300 RPM. That is one of the issues. And it is a factory issue. The K14 is just fine. A K24 is to big for the 1.6. If there were a K20 that would be perfect. The K24 on a 1.6 no matter what you do will be very very slow to boost. And by the time you get to say 15 psi you are nearing the 3,300 defueling line set by the factory. That is why I traded it. A 1.9 will work with it just fine though.

Perhaps I will go VNT (assuming it will actually work) and have my pump built to fuel until about 5,500 RPM. And then change my trans.

I said I was done....I am as ........as you I guess

When you compress air it heats. Yes you have the psi, but you have less oxygen in the 22 psi you are running than 15psi. Why? Simple science, when you compress the air it heats, heated air takes up more volume, the more volume the air has the oxygen in the air is less dense...you have less oxygen in your 22psi than you do at 15psi. WHY? BECAUSE YOUR TURBO IS TOO SMALL AND IT IS OUT OF IT'S EFFICIENTCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ran out of intercooled air with a K24 on my 1.6. It is TOO SMALL for my engine and pump, EGT of 1650f and I would back off. I had boost by 1,600 rpm and full boost by 2,500rpm, the k24 can spool as quick as the k14 if you know what you are doing. I blew up 2 hybrid T3 that are bigger than the K14....TOO SMALL. I have a Holset HE221w or hx27 size now, just slightly smaller than the HX30 that comes on the cummins trucks or used to, I have 7 psi by 2,000 rpm moving more air than two K14 would at that RPM... The moral of this is you don't have a clue and are either trolling or unteachable.

[jaed_43725]

The K14 is perfect for around town driving. It spools nice and quick. This turbo has a few miles on it and is in stellar condition. And revs. My gov is pushed way way back. If I get some money I will put on a VNT or maybe one of those new ceramic ball bearing deals. Also you may be able to let it sit at 4,500 but you have no fuel doing it. The fuel ramp shuts down at about 3,300. I do not know how high you can get these things, but its not nearly as high as a gasser. The reason being you will have valve slap at some point, since diesel valves do not overlap like a gasser.

Yes I know all about heated air having less O2. But when its only blitzed to 22 psi it makes no discernible difference. I do plan on a FMIC however. The K24 can not spool as fast unless you are running anti-lag. The moral of this is a much better designed turbo can make up for a lot. A properly designed turbo can spool just like a small one and move the volume of air as a larger one.

[theman53]

I am not responding to this guy anymore.

This response is to all who may read the thread in a search down the road.....

To all who may be searching for something and stumble onto this thread jaed_43725 has no clue what he is talking about. Please do not follow any of his recommendations. If you cannot tell by what he has posted that he doesn't know, then you need to ask a question yourself of what to do. We don't always have all the answers but to this topic we do.

[GTiTDi]

This thread is hilarious and pathetic at the same time....like TheMAN53 said...DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS

[jaed_43725]

GTiTDi and theman53 perhaps you need to talk to Giles. You dont believe the fact that I talked to him about exactly this. And he said what I have been saying. So to ignore what I said after doing research throughout the time of this thread and have it backed up by possibly the most knowledgeable person on these pumps is just mind boggling.

[745 turbogreasel]

So Giles said you need a  fuel pin and tranny swap

[hillfolk'r]

This is lol because like 3/4 of the people posting have Giles pumps I believe
And lol no way a k14 flows what an old idi turbo flows , and I'd run my egt guage off the chart with that

[jaed_43725]

745: Its not a fuel pin, thats just what the Cummins guys call them. Its a ramp. And the tranny is a simple conclusion.
Also I specifically asked him what I asked here. He said what I was saying.
And hillfolk'r a K14 is an old IDI turbo. Ya, it came off of an IDI Ecodiesel car. And if your EGT gauge is showing way to hot, then you have some serious issues.