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Camera ticket advice
by
theman53
on 24 Mar, 2014 06:11
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#1
by
burn_your_money
on 24 Mar, 2014 06:57
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I like the top comment
Bottom line is let's have some integrity or did they not teach that in the Army. I know they did in the Air Force. If you were speeding and you know you were driving at the time then pay the ticket.
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#2
by
RabbitJockey
on 24 Mar, 2014 07:03
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I like the top comment
Bottom line is let's have some integrity or did they not teach that in the Army. I know they did in the Air Force. If you were speeding and you know you were driving at the time then pay the ticket.
i will not be subservient to a computer sitting along the road.
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#3
by
theman53
on 24 Mar, 2014 07:41
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Integrity is one thing, but I think in any case a crime should have a victim. In certain traffic violations where there is no victim, I then think there is no crime.
One posted on here earlier something like "speed kills...your wallet."
That said, the funny thing is I usually obey traffic laws to the T
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#4
by
bbob203
on 24 Mar, 2014 11:26
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We have an unalienable right to make use of PUBLIC roads without fee for use.
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#5
by
burn_your_money
on 24 Mar, 2014 17:50
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One posted on here earlier something like "speed kills...your wallet."
I think that was me actually.
While I disagree with many of the current speed limits, I understand that they are law and I have the choice to obey or disobey them. If I choose to disobey them and am caught then I would not see it being fair to fight such a ticket and waste peoples (tax payers) money. The government is inefficient enough, it doesn't need my help.
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#6
by
Smoker
on 24 Mar, 2014 18:17
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i will not be subservient to a computer sitting along the road.
I have a hard enough time with 'real' authority, let alone a friggin camera.
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#7
by
Smoker
on 24 Mar, 2014 18:19
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Integrity is one thing, but I think in any case a crime should have a victim.
Nailed it. But we all know that government is about profit, not liberty or justice.
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#8
by
theman53
on 24 Mar, 2014 18:41
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One posted on here earlier something like "speed kills...your wallet."
I think that was me actually.
While I disagree with many of the current speed limits, I understand that they are law and I have the choice to obey or disobey them. If I choose to disobey them and am caught then I would not see it being fair to fight such a ticket and waste peoples (tax payers) money. The government is inefficient enough, it doesn't need my help.
I agree here too, but I think it is a waste to have the camera in the first place. Keep them from implementing it in other places if they see it is a bad idea.
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#9
by
RabbitJockey
on 24 Mar, 2014 19:00
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to be fair though, speed laws are there to keep roads safe and prevent there from ever being a victim in the first place, the only example i can think of would be attempted homicide, there really is no victim just a potential victim.
how ever i completely disagree with traffic cameras that issue automated tickets.
i do still agree with this "Integrity is one thing, but I think in any case a crime should have a victim."
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#10
by
745 turbogreasel
on 25 Mar, 2014 02:56
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25% error rate? buncha crooks.
Baltimore's particular speed camera problem first came to light in 2012, when the Baltimore Sun revealed that at least seven of the city's 83 radar cameras, all of them owned and operated by Xerox State and Local Solutions, were prone to issuing fines to drivers who were not exceeding the speed limit. Xerox itself claimed it found only five cameras that didn't work, and shut them down. The city, meanwhile, downplayed the problem even further, claiming the error rate for Xerox speed cameras was "one-quarter of one percent." In short: Nothing to see here!
Xerox's contract with Baltimore ended in 2012, but the deal is making headlines again thanks to a recent audit showing the company's cameras performed worse than even the Sun realized. The big takeaway? That error rate of "one-quarter of one percent"—promoted by city officials!—was actually upwards of 10 percent; 26 percent of issued citations were "questionable."
The Sun, which first reported on the leaked audit last month, explains the ramifications: "The city issued roughly 700,000 speed camera tickets at $40 each in fiscal year 2012. If 10 percent were wrong, 70,000 would have wrongly been charged $2.8 million." And that's the low-end projection for how much Baltimore and Xerox may have bilked from citizens.
But wait, it gets worse. The administration has also refused a request from the city council to officially release the audit, conducted by URS Corp. at a cost of $278,000, because doing so would violate a contract with Xerox that prohibits Baltimore from "referring or relating to, or reflecting, each party's internal considerations, discussions, analyses, and/or evaluations of issues raised during the settlement discussions."
Baltimore's speed camera fiasco does at least have something resembling a silver lining. In December 2013, the city announced it would no longer engage in revenue sharing with traffic camera vendors—a practice that Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley has decried as a "bounty" system. While Xerox got a cut of each fine its cameras issued, the decision actually resulted from problem cameras owned and operated by Brekford, the company Baltimore brought in to replace Xerox.
But Maryland legislators aren't content to see Baltimore simply abandon the bounty system (which is supposedly illegal under state law anyway). They want to completely flip the incentives for camera operators: instead of paying companies for each citation they issue, pending legislation would require operators to be fined $1,000 every time they issue a citation in error. "This gives the vendors great incentive to make sure that they have done their homework," says Baltimore County Delegate Jon Cardin, the bill's sponsor.
You'd have to build a fine like that into any vendor contract, which could scare away companies (Xerox, Brekford) that have histories of fleecing drivers. A flat fee to vendors combined with penalties for faulty citations might even mean cities would be unable to find a company to operate speed cameras. Considering that traffic cameras are mostly for revenue generation (despite promising that the Xerox contract would reduce speeding in Baltimore, the annual haul from the cameras increased every year), that probably wouldn't be a bad thing. But insofar as there's a case for speed cameras, eradicating the incentive to wrongly ticket good drivers should clearly be part of it.
more examples;
http://www.fireredflex.com/cameras.html
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#11
by
bbob203
on 25 Mar, 2014 04:16
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Speed limits are for revenue only. If you've ever driven across the country you would know this. So many random small communities that have speed traps for no reason. The speed will go from 70 to 55 in a mile for absolutely no apparent reason and joe cop is always set up right on the line. I posted a video awhile back about how people will naturally drive safely at an efficient flow regardless of posted speed limits. There will always be unsafe drivers who will wrap there car around a tree a speeding ticket wont teach them anything. The justice system is builf on a nption that every member of society is a potential criminal and that there is money to be made. Hence so many private prisons in the us.
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#12
by
TimpanogosSlim
on 25 Mar, 2014 09:44
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Some suggest that actual accident statistics suggest that speed is rarely a factor (outside of obvious 'unsafe speed for the road conditions' situations).
At any rate, whether or not you can fight a camera ticket is largely a matter of state/province and local law.
in Utah they were found unconstitutional and removed from the roads.
in Arizona they technically do not carry the force of law unless handed to you by a law enforcement officer, but whether or not you get in some legal trouble over it is a matter of some greater complexity.
I don't know about other regions.
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#13
by
bbob203
on 25 Mar, 2014 09:57
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under common law police officers don't have the right to make any legal determinations they are not BAR certified. All a ticket is.. is a Summons and complaint.
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#14
by
bbob203
on 25 Mar, 2014 16:05
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