Author Topic: 188 mpg Loremo LS (Read 5856 times)

malone · « **on:** March 02, 2006, 04:15:20 pm »

http://www.loremo.com

Approx. 14,900 CAD

Loremo LS

Engine - 2-cylinder turbodiesel
Output - 15 kW / 20 HP
Max. speed - 160 km/h
Acceleration - 20 sec. (0-100km/h)
Transmission - 5-gear manual transmission
Consumption - 1.5 l/100 km
Fuel range - 1.300 km (20-l-tank)
Weight - 450 kg

If you think 20 seconds is slow, the Mercedes Benz Smart that frequently roam our streets today does 0-100km/h in 19.5 seconds and they're doing perfectly fine.

However, the Loremo GT with a three cylinder turbo diesel does 0-100km/h in 9 seconds, tops out at 220km/h, and weighs at 470kg. For almost 6,000 CAD more.

The Loremo LS's 2 cylinder engine has 10HP per cylinder whereas the 3 cylinder version (GT model) has 16.67HP per cylinder. I wonder if the 2 cylinder is as robust as a 3 cyl version, leaving room for more power enhancements. Adding 10HP in the LS version might cut 0-100km/h times from 20 seconds to low 16's.

The following quote is from the 'Philosophy' page on Loremo's web site:

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Why do we need 1.5 tons of steel to get an 80 kg person from A to B?

I fully agree with that.

This vehicle meets the criteria of my dream commuter car: Minimalist, functional, practical, efficient. It's plain sexy from an engineering standpoint. God, I want it.

malone · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2006, 04:30:01 pm »

I'd still want a fast diesel. A 'big' diesel engine swap in one of the Loremos would be ideal.

The ideal engine is the 3 cylinder 1.4L TDI that can be imported for under 2,000 CAD. It produces 90hp in stock trim. Maybe 100-110whp with chip and injectors.

Assuming 100whp in a Loremo that weighs 490kg (I added another 20kg due to the larger engine), it will have the same power-to-weight ratio of a 310whp turbocharged VR6 MKIV VW Golf that I rode in not too long ago.. giddy giddy :shock: and it still will have at least 90mpg. The 1.4 TDI is originally rated at 60mpg in a VW Polo that is more than twice as heavy @ 2,630lb. Don't forget that the engine will retain OEM reliability in a turned-supercar Loremo!

Now imagine a ~260bhp tuned 2.0L 16v TDI. It will have an equivalent power-to-weight ratio of a 800bhp MKIV VW Golf. :twisted: The economy will still be amazing due to very little load required to accelerate the vehicle during normal driving. It'll blow away virtually every vehicle on the street. Even a NA spec 1.9L TDI will be crazy enough.

No wonder vehicle weight is important for performance/efficiency. You can make monster HP in a heavy ass vehicle, like the Dodge Cummins, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper and more fun (less padding between driver & road) to drive in a lighter vehicle. The Loremo is indeed RWD :cool:

If a performance enhanced Loremo becomes impractical for daily driving, a second one could be bought for another 15,000 CAD, which is likely half of the average price of a new sedan that joe public buys.

Loremo's projected release date is three years from now - 2009. I have a friend/relative in Vancouver that runs a business importing exotic & regular cars from all around the world - rare Porsches, BMWs, Mercs, etc. He could help ship a car over here. Whether the Loremo can be insured in BC is questionable.

lord_verminaard · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2006, 05:41:45 am »

Another badass car that we will not see in the States. &#*) #)(&% &%*@ (#$&) #&(% &^(!!!!

I'd have one in a minute. 3-cyl. version please.

Hell, RWD, small, aerodynamic? Probably handles like a dream.

Love the design, (well, except the wheels, easy enough to fix) put a little spoiler on the back, a little airdam on the front, all done.

Interior looked good too.

Sigh.

Brendan
84 Scirocco 8v
00 Camaro L36 M49

zyewdall · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2006, 07:42:27 am »

Quote from: "malone"

The ideal engine is the 3 cylinder 1.4L TDI that can be imported for under 2,000 CAD. It produces 90hp in stock trim. Maybe 100-110whp with chip and injectors.

Huh -- where can you buy one of those for $2,000? I recently paid US$1,200 for a rebuilt 1.6NA. I find it hard to believe that a 1.4TDI would only be a little more expensive... If it's true, I want one.

DVST8R · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2006, 09:49:56 am »

They do share the 4cyl bolt pattern, and I belive they are importing them from the czech republic. I don't know if that includes frieght or not? Mark or Dave will have to fill in that one. Dave (of passenger performance) imported one for a customer that is going into a '77 rabbit.

malone · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2006, 11:00:48 am »

I have yet to post the exact price of the 1.4L that Dave (Pass. Perf.) is importing... it's up to him if he wants to disclose it. In a regular VW shell it'll be a very nice economical & mild performance motor. Having to deal with only three cylinders is a plus.

Dr. Diesel · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2006, 12:18:10 pm »

Quote from: "malone"

Assuming 100whp in a Loremo that weighs 490kg (I added another 20kg due to the larger engine), it will have the same power-to-weight ratio of a 310whp turbocharged VR6 MKIV VW Golf that I rode in not too long ago.. giddy giddy :shock: and it still will have at least 90mpg. The 1.4 TDI is originally rated at 60mpg in a VW Polo that is more than twice as heavy @ 2,630lb. Don't forget that the engine will retain OEM reliability in a turned-supercar Loremo!

Now imagine a ~260bhp tuned 2.0L 16v TDI. It will have an equivalent power-to-weight ratio of a 800bhp MKIV VW Golf. :twisted:

Go take a cold shower, you!

malone · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2006, 12:39:03 pm »

:lol:

RabbitJockey · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2006, 06:53:13 pm »

n/a diesel are like 0-60 in 20. mine is about that slow.