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Reply #15January 31, 2013, 02:24:52 pm

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Re: Lowering compression,,,
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 02:24:52 pm »
WHY do you need to lower the compression?

these engines are forgiving, even with 24:1 comp..

just remember, its not the BOOST that kills these engines, its the DRIVE PRESSURE..

if you can keep your drive pressure low, you can boost as much as you want..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #16January 31, 2013, 05:41:22 pm

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2013, 05:41:22 pm »
Is drive pressure the pressure in the exhaust manifold before the turbo?

Reply #17January 31, 2013, 05:51:37 pm

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2013, 05:51:37 pm »
Yes sir.

Check this truck out, they took it from 170 whp, to 972 whp and like 55 psi of boost on compounds.

I have kept up with the article since they started back in 2007, and one of their huge issues was when they hit a certain spot of power they were having like 125psi manifold pressure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What they do is run a huge manifold blow off that is open when WOT so it bleeds some of the manifolds excess, and still allowing the turbos to sustain ~55psi..

Drive pressure killllsss, more than crack.

Reply #18January 31, 2013, 06:23:48 pm

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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2013, 06:23:48 pm »
I was planning on a pressure gauge in the exhaust manifold. The problem is with a bunch of gauges I probably won't have time to look at them when pulling. Wish I had a engine dyno to dial it in on.

Reply #19February 14, 2013, 08:40:59 pm

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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2013, 08:40:59 pm »
Hi, My 1.9 head gasket showed up today. Hopefully with this gasket and ARP studs I won't have any gasket problems. Should the block and head be real smooth with this gasket?

Reply #20February 14, 2013, 08:45:42 pm

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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2013, 08:45:42 pm »
what turbo do you plan to use?at what pressure?

Going to start out with a T3/T4 and hope to be around 40 psi or more. Might end up with two turbos down the road. Don't know if a opened up stock pump with main spring shimmed will be enough fuel to get me there though.

Reply #21February 15, 2013, 12:49:10 am

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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013, 12:49:10 am »
A 9mm pump will push quite a bit of fuel ;)

Reply #22February 16, 2013, 09:30:10 am

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2013, 09:30:10 am »
A 9mm pump will push quite a bit of fuel ;)

That sounds promising

Reply #23February 16, 2013, 05:31:43 pm

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2013, 05:31:43 pm »
Yes sir.

Check this truck out, they took it from 170 whp, to 972 whp and like 55 psi of boost on compounds.

I have kept up with the article since they started back in 2007, and one of their huge issues was when they hit a certain spot of power they were having like 125psi manifold pressure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What they do is run a huge manifold blow off that is open when WOT so it bleeds some of the manifolds excess, and still allowing the turbos to sustain ~55psi..

Drive pressure killllsss, more than crack.

Talking about the old Cummins? Project Rust Bucket?
1985 Golf 1.6NA with a 5spd

Reply #24February 17, 2013, 01:29:59 am

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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2013, 01:29:59 am »
Project Rust Bucket! yes, that was the one. An amazing build. Started with 170bhp, ended up with like 927?! And over 22mpg up from 16.

Reply #25February 17, 2013, 02:31:01 am

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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2013, 02:31:01 am »
It is neither IMP or EMP that blows headgaskets, it is PCP. Boost, fuel amount and injection timing are the biggest contributors, not EMP as stated over here.
'03 VW Golf PD130 4Motion Highline
'10 VW Passat 1.6TDI Highline
'83 VW Jetta 1.6TD, 11mm pump, H-beam rods, girdle, fully reworked AAZ head +++ Going Compound ;)

Reply #26February 17, 2013, 08:51:37 am

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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2013, 08:51:37 am »
Project Rust Bucket! yes, that was the one. An amazing build. Started with 170bhp, ended up with like 927?! And over 22mpg up from 16.

I know the build very well. Was on my main forum asking for opinions before he started.

The reason for the BOV nitrous. With the timing he needed, and the amount of N2O, the BOV blew pressure around the tiny (62mm is small for the Cummins, TINY for 972hp) turbo so it wouldn't explode in a spectacular fashion. No compounds on that truck.

Here are some specs off the top of my head.

Reg Cab Long Bed 1st Gen Dodge
47RH built OD trans
Gearvendors OD making for double OD
3.07 rear axle (was originally a 3 spd non OD auto truck)
5x.025 injectors
14mm H&R
VE Pumped
62/65/14cm turbo
32" rubber
25-27mpg running 65-75mph
Runs around, I believe, 1300rpm @ 55mph with both OD's.
1985 Golf 1.6NA with a 5spd

Reply #27February 18, 2013, 06:15:39 am

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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2013, 06:15:39 am »
It is neither IMP or EMP that blows headgaskets, it is PCP. Boost, fuel amount and injection timing are the biggest contributors, not EMP as stated over here.

high drive pressure helps cause high pcp...
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #28February 18, 2013, 07:34:02 am

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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2013, 07:34:02 am »
It is neither IMP or EMP that blows headgaskets, it is PCP. Boost, fuel amount and injection timing are the biggest contributors, not EMP as stated over here.

high drive pressure helps cause high pcp...

You are just guessing, and you guessed wrong ;)

For EMP to blow the head gasket EMP would need be in the order of 3000psi+, not going to happen!
'03 VW Golf PD130 4Motion Highline
'10 VW Passat 1.6TDI Highline
'83 VW Jetta 1.6TD, 11mm pump, H-beam rods, girdle, fully reworked AAZ head +++ Going Compound ;)

Reply #29February 18, 2013, 06:36:57 pm

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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2013, 06:36:57 pm »
It is neither IMP or EMP that blows headgaskets, it is PCP. Boost, fuel amount and injection timing are the biggest contributors, not EMP as stated over here.

high drive pressure helps cause high pcp...

You are just guessing, and you guessed wrong ;)

For EMP to blow the head gasket EMP would need be in the order of 3000psi+, not going to happen!

so, your telling me that if the engine has 50psi drive pressure, its going to have the EXACT SAME PCP as a n/a with NO drive pressure?

i find that HARD to believe...
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.