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March 27, 2013, 07:54:27 pm

Stonee

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unknown pump lever
« on: March 27, 2013, 07:54:27 pm »
Hey guys, can anyone shed some light on what this lever is?



I havnt seen one like this on various photos throughout the forum. I had to move it to get the governor out (upper pump reseal), i marked the correct position (apparently) but now it makes absolutly no sense why it would be there, and theres no obvious indicators for its correct orientation. The lever on the outside of the pump was never connected to anything either. On a 1994 AAZ.

Thanks, Evan.



Reply #1March 27, 2013, 08:46:21 pm

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 08:46:21 pm »
It is the idle speed lever. There us supposed to be a rod going from it to the cold start, and there should be a small spring going from it to the governor lever in the pump.

Without the spring to the governor lever I'd imagine you would have idle issues.

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Reply #2March 27, 2013, 08:47:21 pm

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 08:47:21 pm »
Scratch that, it is a mechanical fuel shutoff. Hard to see on my phone.

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Reply #3March 27, 2013, 09:08:58 pm

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 09:08:58 pm »
It physically moves the internal throttle and thus the control collar so far back that basically no fuel is injected, and the engine will shut off.. unless its running on its own oil! lol.

Reply #4March 27, 2013, 10:05:40 pm

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Re: unknown pump lever
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 10:05:40 pm »
Sllluuuurrrrrrppppp  They don't really do that now do they?  I heard it was a myth, one of many from the gasser community.

Reply #5March 27, 2013, 10:17:57 pm

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 10:17:57 pm »
so i take it that its there for 'safety' reasons? i put it up against the control jobby inside, turned the throttle untill it stopped moving then put the spring and lever back on to lock it in place. shes running good now, hasnt seemed to have upset it much. yet.

quick note: i brought this car by accident. found it on the net as 'mk3 golf, blown head gasket and leaking fuel pump.' having owned and worked on many petrol cars before i thought this would be an easy fix. paid for a tow truck to bring it over, popped the hood.. "what on earth kind of fuel pump is that?! ohhh sh*t its a diesel..." that was 4 long months ago. this site has been an invaluable resource.

moral of the story: always make sure you know what the hell you're buying!

Reply #6March 28, 2013, 01:13:25 am

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2013, 01:13:25 am »
Why don't you sell its parts if you don't want to fix it up?

It's a feature that allows you to shut off the engine in the event that the electric solenoid which controls the fuel supply fails to close. These were usually found on engines with automatic transmissions (because with a manual you could always just stall the engine) which I think are kind of rare on these cars. Also, a lot of older diesel engines used only a manual lever like this for shut down, nothing electrical, and some engines you find in small machinery still work this way.

In any case these cars are not too difficult to work on, you just have to be a bit more careful than you are with a gasoline engine, because a lot more can go wrong, if you're timing is off by a few degrees, for just one example. It helps if you have a Bentley manual, they're really worth it.

Reply #7March 28, 2013, 08:29:48 am

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2013, 08:29:48 am »
Those arrows in your picture are super nice!
What photo editing do you have for that?
I have some crappy thing that I can draw on with my ipad touch screen, but it always looks like a 3rd grader drew on my picture. Your arrows are totally pro!

Andrew

Reply #8March 28, 2013, 09:09:40 am

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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2013, 09:09:40 am »
Typically pumps with that lever are off of automatics. However being as the newest one is 20 years old, that doesn't really hold true anymore.
Tyler

Reply #9March 28, 2013, 11:09:49 am

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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2013, 11:09:49 am »
Those arrows in your picture are super nice!
What photo editing do you have for that?
I have some crappy thing that I can draw on with my ipad touch screen, but it always looks like a 3rd grader drew on my picture. Your arrows are totally pro!

Download the GIMP and download the extension for it that makes arrows. Both are free.


Reply #10March 28, 2013, 04:53:19 pm

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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2013, 04:53:19 pm »
Totally cool anti theft device.  Hook it to a push pull cable to engage as you leave and they would never figure out the glows plus the manual shut off.  Maybe if it was a cat operator looking to steal it.  Just watch your knee so you don't engage it at 60 MPH.

Reply #11March 28, 2013, 10:30:55 pm

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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2013, 10:30:55 pm »
Why don't you sell its parts if you don't want to fix it up?

I did fix her up, shes good as gold now. the previous owner drove it to work with a split rad hose. head gasket blew out on 1 and 4 on the outer edges. no damage to the bore, skimmed head and new gasket and i was away laughing. only recently fixed the leaky pump, which was the o ring deep inside the LDA. its for sale again now. gone back to uni to all my spare cars have to go.

do you guys have extremely expensive registration costs? down here in nz it costs $430 for 12 months registration, and $415 for 10000kms of diesel tax. bastards.

Reply #12March 29, 2013, 02:23:44 am

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2013, 02:23:44 am »
Why don't you sell its parts if you don't want to fix it up?

I did fix her up, shes good as gold now. the previous owner drove it to work with a split rad hose. head gasket blew out on 1 and 4 on the outer edges. no damage to the bore, skimmed head and new gasket and i was away laughing. only recently fixed the leaky pump, which was the o ring deep inside the LDA. its for sale again now. gone back to uni to all my spare cars have to go.

do you guys have extremely expensive registration costs? down here in nz it costs $430 for 12 months registration, and $415 for 10000kms of diesel tax. bastards.

My registration costs about $80 us in california.  And smog exempt.  My car insurance is only $20 month per car as well.
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Reply #13March 29, 2013, 04:16:52 am

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2013, 04:16:52 am »
Insurance and registration for Jezebel is $1200/year here. Jezebel's sister costs more since she is a gasser and therefore more likely to do damage in the eyes of the insurance company.

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Reply #14March 29, 2013, 11:15:13 am

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