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Reply #15October 24, 2012, 11:16:47 am

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Re: b3 passat wagon 16v to MTDI swap.
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2012, 11:16:47 am »
no mount to fit.... so no not that simple... vr6 ac lines fitting a tdi comp... you may get lucky.. cause if a old 81 diesel ac comp fits tits perfect to a b3 passat 16v line... id think the fitting/compressor area will most likely cross bread... for 1 simple reason... 93 started r-134... vr6 started same time... id think a mk3 jetta/golf would use same fittings... as a 93 vr6 passat.. and the soonest they might change it up would be the 99.5 model change..

Reply #16October 24, 2012, 02:48:29 pm

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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2012, 02:48:29 pm »
B3 AAZ passat would have the correct lines right? It uses a serp belt.

guts modded or passat tdi wagon, 96-97 supposedly fits...

You're talking about the sending unit right? Why does it have to be from a wagon?

Sorry for thread jacking. I'm doing the same swap right now, except I don't think I'll use a TDI and it's auto.
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Reply #17October 24, 2012, 03:31:18 pm

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2012, 03:31:18 pm »
wagon has bigger tank I think so it need to be taller. good idea on aaz.
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Reply #18October 25, 2012, 03:19:14 am

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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2012, 03:19:14 am »
tank height...

passat sedan has mini spare.. mk2 diesel fits no issue.. for float unit..

passat wagon has full sized spare and floor cutout for it even.. wagon only tank... good 2-3" height differance

thats the tank height differance... why wagons have 21+ gal tanks vs 18gal sedan...

Reply #19October 25, 2012, 07:16:51 pm

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2012, 07:16:51 pm »
contemplating putting this engine in my jetta to test it out. when i get the pump for it.
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Reply #20October 26, 2012, 09:10:24 pm

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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2012, 09:10:24 pm »
is wiring in the stock cluster glowplug light and turn key glowplugs a big task? I was thinking of wiring it to a sensor that would only enanble it to come on when outside temp is below a certain temp.
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Reply #21October 26, 2012, 11:08:06 pm

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2012, 11:08:06 pm »
tdi and glow plugs... hmmmmm still not wired mine up... started at 20*f no issue last winter when i tried...

reality is a push button for 5 sec is most i think you will ever need... a simple push button to a ford big boy style relay..

now if it were a idi you need them year round for quick starting even when warm..


Reply #22October 26, 2012, 11:11:29 pm

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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2012, 11:11:29 pm »
I used the stock '83 glow plug relay on my mTDI van.  It works fine.  I don't care if they come one when they aren't needed but definitely want them when I do need them.  Wiring in the stock relay is a piece of cake.
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Reply #23October 28, 2012, 03:07:08 pm

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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2012, 03:07:08 pm »
From tdi club 

"for a/c there are at least two routes
1. use the mk2 evaporator in the dash and have a custom line from the evaporator to the compressor created and then a custom line from the the compressor to the condenser
2. use the mk3 evaporator and then use an SLC a/c line from the condensor to the evaporator. Use a mk3 TDI or ABA 2L or slc a/c line to the compressor from the evaporator. Have the compressor to the condenser line modified with the mk2 unit and tdi donor. My cost was $75 per a/c line for mods."

Number one seems like best option.
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Reply #24October 28, 2012, 03:18:25 pm

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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2012, 03:18:25 pm »
Peritiant info for my swap in regards to fuel tank sending unit.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5814565-B3-Wagon-diesel-swap&p=79068481


Also fuel filter ideas? Chris what did you use? I think i would like to just run a rabbit spin on type housing. Is the fuel pre heater more necessary with tdi?
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Reply #25October 28, 2012, 03:23:19 pm

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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2012, 03:23:19 pm »
Motor mounts..

16v have same motor mounts as a 1.6?
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Reply #26October 28, 2012, 03:28:10 pm

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Re: b3 passat wagon 16v to MTDI swap.
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2012, 03:28:10 pm »
Motor mounts..

16v have same motor mounts as a 1.6?

locations, bolt patterns and that sort of thing are all the same between the 16v and the diesel..

all VW EA811 blocks have identical motor mount locations and bosses.

why are you gonna swap it into one car to try it out, then pull it out to swap it into another car?

why dont you just perform one swap, ad try it out in the car that it was originally intended for?

or do you just have soo much time that a whole extra engine swap is no big deal for you?
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Reply #27October 28, 2012, 03:44:42 pm

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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2012, 03:44:42 pm »
Motor mounts..

16v have same motor mounts as a 1.6?

locations, bolt patterns and that sort of thing are all the same between the 16v and the diesel..

all VW EA811 blocks have identical motor mount locations and bosses.

why are you gonna swap it into one car to try it out, then pull it out to swap it into another car?

why dont you just perform one swap, ad try it out in the car that it was originally intended for?

or do you just have soo much time that a whole extra engine swap is no big deal for you?

You got a point I have since ousted that grandiose idea.
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Reply #28October 28, 2012, 03:47:42 pm

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Re: b3 passat wagon 16v to MTDI swap.
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2012, 03:47:42 pm »
Motor mounts..

16v have same motor mounts as a 1.6?

locations, bolt patterns and that sort of thing are all the same between the 16v and the diesel..

all VW EA811 blocks have identical motor mount locations and bosses.

why are you gonna swap it into one car to try it out, then pull it out to swap it into another car?

why dont you just perform one swap, and try it out in the car that it was originally intended for?

or do you just have soo much time that a whole extra engine swap is no big deal for you?

You got a point I have since ousted that grandiose idea.


lol, just didnt make a whole lot of sense to perform an EXTRA engine swap, to test the engine out.. if you need to test it, fire it on an engine stand, haha.. ;)
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Reply #29October 28, 2012, 06:02:52 pm

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Re: b3 passat wagon 16v to MTDI swap.
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2012, 06:02:52 pm »
Motor mounts..

16v have same motor mounts as a 1.6?

locations, bolt patterns and that sort of thing are all the same between the 16v and the diesel..

all VW EA811 blocks have identical motor mount locations and bosses.

why are you gonna swap it into one car to try it out, then pull it out to swap it into another car?

why dont you just perform one swap, and try it out in the car that it was originally intended for?

or do you just have soo much time that a whole extra engine swap is no big deal for you?

You got a point I have since ousted that grandiose idea.


lol, just didnt make a whole lot of sense to perform an EXTRA engine swap, to test the engine out.. if you need to test it, fire it on an engine stand, haha.. ;)

Would it be a bad idea to fire it up with trans on it sitting on the floor? Basically i wanna fire it up before i drop it in after i install the libby pump. I don't get how i would do it on an engine stand with out the starter???
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