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Reply #45September 07, 2012, 09:25:54 pm

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Re: WTB - NTB ACN - AON - ASF - ACL 020 VW Trans
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2012, 09:25:54 pm »
Ok so great - my question is does anyone know of anyone that has used the 80% Peloquin shim kit on 90mm Mk1 axles with no problems after haveing ground down the CV axles stub ends? This is going into a Mk1 Pickup and I communicated with Brian at BrokeVW - he said that all he knew is that the 80% shim kits will at least work with the 100mm axles but not for sure on the 90s??? If grinding down ends on 90s solves Mk2 - ACN flanges from being hit and or torqued by Mk1 shafts then that is what I will use - Mk1 90mm CV axles hooking up to Mk2 ACN trans - other wise will need to go for the 100s - thanks for input!

mk2 is wider than a mk1.. but the passenger side axle is a tad longer. drivers side axle is same.

i doubt there is enough room to grind the axle stubs down enough, and stilll get the c-clip back on the axle.

Never said he was using mk2 axles lol.

i never did either.. just stating that mk2s are wider, and the axles dnot make up the whole difference..

the mk2 trans is WIDER than the mk1 trans as well..

the distance from flange to flange is like +1/2"

Even so if wider Mk2 trans flang to flang in comparison to Mk1s - it looks like to me that the 100mm flanges allow for more back and forth movement of axle due to point of hookup and deeper conical flang shape   
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Reply #46September 07, 2012, 09:35:00 pm

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Re: MK1's and the ACN - AON - ASF - ACL 020 VW Trans
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2012, 09:35:00 pm »
I should copy this then. I can get fasteners at my cost through work. I have Amish machine shop guys that would machine anything I want for cheap, especially 10 or more at a time. Hmm... You have me thinking.

Reply #47September 07, 2012, 11:54:11 pm

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« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2012, 11:54:11 pm »
I thought o2a is the only one that is wider at the flanges, I don't know for certain but I remember it being discussed during death hares vr6 swap because he had an axle or both shortened.  Biodome did his 24v swap the same way he said he used stock 16v axles with no problems.  I will note Rocco axles are supposedly a few mm shorter on one side because the lower ride height
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Reply #48September 07, 2012, 11:56:40 pm

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« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2012, 11:56:40 pm »
Also it is possible to grind down the axles on the c clip flange part people going very low do this to help keep from binding and tearing up the flange hat seals
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Reply #49September 08, 2012, 05:33:15 am

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« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2012, 05:33:15 am »
I should copy this then. I can get fasteners at my cost through work. I have Amish machine shop guys that would machine anything I want for cheap, especially 10 or more at a time. Hmm... You have me thinking.

I bought washers with the same id as the brass rings the ones I found are the exact same diamter almost as the brass rings.
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Reply #50September 08, 2012, 08:00:25 pm

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« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2012, 08:00:25 pm »
The distance between between flange end edge to flange end edge on various VW 020 and 02A transmissions

Mk1 -  90mm - 23.5mm - FF 020 diesel trans
Mk2 -  90mm - 23.5mm - AVX 020 diesel trans
Mk2 - 100mm- 24.5mm - 2Y 020 close ratio trans
Mk3 - 100mm- 24.5mm - CTN 02A diesel trans

so the difference is one mm between shorter 90mm flanges used compared with the taller 100mm - therfore one would think with the 90s one would need to grind less or not much at all in comparison to those with 100mm flanges assuming the center part of CV axle as shafts are identical - I don't know for sure if they are but the appear equall by eyeballing them -

I am planning on installing 80% shim kit with ACN in Mk1 - does anyone know if the front hub bearing housing of either Mk2 or Mk3 or maybe Mk4 shifts outward just a bit more in spacing compared to the Mk1s? I could maybe use Mk3 or 4 hub housing with ACN and stock axles without having to be concerned about clearence problems??? Any comments?


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Reply #51September 08, 2012, 08:21:52 pm

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« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2012, 08:21:52 pm »
Nothing but mk1 hubs will work easily on an mk1.

Reply #52September 10, 2012, 03:09:53 pm

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« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2012, 03:09:53 pm »
Nothing but mk1 hubs will work easily on an mk1.

mk1 trannies didnt use the conical washers, except the 84 trannies, and i believe only a few of them used conical washers..

all the mk1 5 spds ive come across, have no washers..

my mk1 4A 4spd has conical washers n stuff..
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Reply #53September 20, 2012, 10:40:38 am

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« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2012, 10:40:38 am »
Does anyone know how much slack or play a stock Mk1 or Mk2 CV axle should have - back and forth - in and out - or side to side so as to compare with new modified axles and shim kit after installation? Mine are out already - I was thinking about half inch? One could grip on a couple of visegrips to help in moving and measuring.




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Reply #54September 20, 2012, 03:18:49 pm

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Re: MK1's and the ACN - AON - ASF - ACL 020 VW Trans
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2012, 03:18:49 pm »
Does anyone know how much slack or play a stock Mk1 or Mk2 CV axle should have - back and forth - in and out - or side to side so as to compare with new modified axles and shim kit after installation? Mine are out already - I was thinking about half inch? One could grip on a couple of visegrips to help in moving and measuring.

half inch of play is ALOT..

they might move in and out a half inch, but not up and down..

any up and down play is bad..
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Reply #55October 20, 2012, 12:23:41 am

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« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2012, 12:23:41 am »
bbob203 - I just wanted to check to see if you had any first hand results from your shim kit implimention
thanks for your time!
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Reply #56October 21, 2012, 04:15:11 pm

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« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2012, 04:15:11 pm »
90mm I beleive 88? golf gasser.

all the ACN/AON/ASF/ACL trannies were 90mm..

if you want it to have 100mm cups, you gotta swap them on..

its not hard..

Careful...   I have an ASF, it came with 100mm flanges.  Therefore I had to swap on 90mm.
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Reply #57October 21, 2012, 04:56:48 pm

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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2012, 04:56:48 pm »
someone put them on then...
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Reply #58October 22, 2012, 02:20:39 pm

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Re: WTB - NTB ACN - AON - ASF - ACL 020 VW Trans
« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2012, 02:20:39 pm »
90mm I beleive 88? golf gasser.

all the ACN/AON/ASF/ACL trannies were 90mm..

if you want it to have 100mm cups, you gotta swap them on..

its not hard..

Careful...   I have an ASF, it came with 100mm flanges.  Therefore I had to swap on 90mm.

those were swapped on by someone else.. none of the long geared manuals came with 100mm flanges factory..
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