!979 Rabbit Diesel Need help!

[ORCoaster]

okay so update! i got it to work and i was turning  it the correct way but i guess i had the thump screw to tight on the gauge and it was binding i loosened it up some with out the pre load to adjusted and it worked perfectly!

so based on what the bentley says between .43-.47mm  i set it to 0.45mm. do you guys feel this is a correct location or have i just missed somthing here?

I thought it was binding in some way. 

So you set it at 45 mm not .45, the gauge reads in mm's   And what engine is this again?  My 81 diesel recommends about twice that.  89 mm all the way up to 1.15 mm if I care to go that high. 

So I think you need to double it.  Don't you have whitish smoke rolling out the back now?  It is retarded badly for being a diesel.  Bump it up, push that IP towards the engine! 

That is what I would be doing with it. 

[vw-tim]

okay so update! i got it to work and i was turning  it the correct way but i guess i had the thump screw to tight on the gauge and it was binding i loosened it up some with out the pre load to adjusted and it worked perfectly!

so based on what the bentley says between .43-.47mm  i set it to 0.45mm. do you guys feel this is a correct location or have i just missed somthing here?

I thought it was binding in some way. 

So you set it at 45 mm not .45, the gauge reads in mm's   And what engine is this again?  My 81 diesel recommends about twice that.  89 mm all the way up to 1.15 mm if I care to go that high. 

So I think you need to double it.  Don't you have whitish smoke rolling out the back now?  It is retarded badly for being a diesel.  Bump it up, push that IP towards the engine! 

That is what I would be doing with it. 

yeah i feel stupid now haha im gonna delete that post and go set the engine to about 1mm then

[vw-tim]

also i guess i should just ask the pump isnt a yellow dot what would you guys suggest i set the timing to i read 1 mm was a good spot or is it more of a set it at 1mm and then turn the engine on and see how it reacts and then adjust it more or less from there?

[vw-tim]

okay so i got the IP timed at 99mm i figure this will be a good spot to start it up at and see how it runs. anyway now i have yet another question! this is a question about the crank pulley and the water pump pulley and alternator pulley how they should line up...

i dont know if you can see from the pick but the water pump pulley is pushed out more then the crank pulley shouldnt they line right up with one another or is this normal?

[TylerDurden]

Sometimes there are shims behind the WP pulley that can be added/removed to line up with the crank pulley.

You might put in the alternator too and see which pulley(s) would be most convenient to shim.


Side note: Maybe the quotes in the above posts are knackered, but the gauge in the photo indicates 0.01mm/tick on the big dial. So there is no way to set 45.00mm... (0.45mm maybe) 3.045mm is shown in the photo, if the face was reset to 3.00mm at the rollback.  Ensure that the thumbscrew is tight enough to not let the gauge slip (but still allows the stem to move freely), or the reading may be in error.

[vw-tim]

Sometimes there are shims behind the WP pulley that can be added/removed to line up with the crank pulley.

You might put in the alternator too and see which pulley(s) would be most convenient to shim.


Side note: Maybe the quotes in the above posts are knackered, but the gauge in the photo indicates 0.01mm/tick on the big dial. So there is no way to set 45.00mm... (0.45mm maybe) 3.045mm is shown in the photo, if the face was reset to 3.00mm at the rollback.  Ensure that the thumbscrew is tight enough to not let the gauge slip (but still allows the stem to move freely), or the reading may be in error.

okay ill put in the alternator and just go from there. also yeah i messed up on the reading but i got it all worked out correctly now

[ORCoaster]

Tyler is correct, I am out of it.  Small graphic, turn head sideways to see CLEARLY shows two arrows and a distance that each mark makes.  0.01.  So you actually did set it at .45mm to start and now at .99 mm.  

Should I be listing this one in the Rookie mistakes link now or later?

Not a good day for numbers for me.  Good that it isn't tax time.

DAS

I had to shim my alternator to make it align correctly with the crank pulley.  I don't have the PS to worry about.

[vw-tim]

Tyler is correct, I am out of it.  Small graphic, turn head sideways to see CLEARLY shows two arrows and a distance that each mark makes.  0.01.  So you actually did set it at .45mm to start and now at .99 mm.  

Should I be listing this one in the Rookie mistakes link now or later?

Not a good day for numbers for me.  Good that it isn't tax time.

DAS

I had to shim my alternator to make it align correctly with the crank pulley.  I don't have the PS to worry about.

haha okay so i just wanna make sure me being at the .99mm is where i wanna be right? like between the .95mm-1.05mm is what ive kinda read on other threads that makes sense right? ha

[TylerDurden]

.99mm - 1.05mm is a good start. You can tweek after observing its operation while in service.

[vw-tim]

.99mm - 1.05mm is a good start. You can tweek after observing its operation while in service.

sweet deal! and yeah thats what i sort of figured

[libbydiesel]

Adjust your timing belt tracking before dialing in the timing as you will need to remove the pump (sometimes more than once) to get the tracking right.  Loosen the bolts that fasten the two bracket parts together and the ones behind the pump that bolt that bracket part to the block.  DOWN with the sprocket end, UP with the fuel distributor makes it track closer to the engine.  If it still isn't there, you need to loosen the bolts on the pulley end of the engine and lower the end that the pump attaches to. 

[R.O.R-2.0]

okay so i got the IP timed at 99mm i figure this will be a good spot to start it up at and see how it runs. anyway now i have yet another question! this is a question about the crank pulley and the water pump pulley and alternator pulley how they should line up...

i dont know if you can see from the pick but the water pump pulley is pushed out more then the crank pulley shouldnt they line right up with one another or is this normal?

=my bet would be that the crank pulley is a 1.5D pulley, they have less offset.

i used a 1.5 pulley on my 1.6, and it needed a spacer..

but it also made for an underdrive setup as well..

[vw-tim]

okay guys so i have the IP set at 1.05 and yet it doesnt like it it runs rough and there white smoke but when i put on the cold start it runs better so does that mean it needs to be a lot more advanced? like 1.20? doesnt that seem to much advanced? what do you guys think?

i was thinking about putting my dial guage back on and then once i have the set measurement of the IP push on the cold start to see what measurement its at with the cold start on and then set the IP to that measurement? what are your thoughts thank you

[8v-of-fury]

you probably have an ok setting, a small bump of advance might do ok. Its supposed to run better with the cold start pulled, that is its function.

Setting it so high, does away with the CS's function. I wouldn't worry about whatever number the gauge tells you, its pretty much completely irrelevant.

[vw-tim]

you probably have an ok setting, a small bump of advance might do ok. Its supposed to run better with the cold start pulled, that is its function.

Setting it so high, does away with the CS's function. I wouldn't worry about whatever number the gauge tells you, its pretty much completely irrelevant.

okay well im confused then shouldnt the engine be able to idle without the cold start switch on? without that extreme advancement? or does the engine really have to warm up a lot? im just trying to understand it.

to me it sounds like your saying i should have the cold start pulled all the time though? shouldnt the engine run good without the cold start pulled?