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Reply #15February 22, 2012, 09:20:36 pm

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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2012, 09:20:36 pm »
They made at the most stock 165hp and 235tq. ALH FOR THE WIN. Probably still do 40's for mpg, and more torque.

a Vortec 4.3 V6? 165hp? your nuts.. the TRUE VORTEC V6 engines were rated at anywhere from 180-225hp..

you have any idea how easy it is to get more power than stock out of a vortec V6? way easy..

My bad I looked up a normal 262cid v6.. Still ok so what kinda torque does it make?

250 lb·ft (339 N·m) to 265 lb·ft (359 N·m).


Can be achieved and surpassed with the ALH, and still probably return 40+ mpg in the runner. Could the vortec do that?

no, but a Vortec doesnt cost a left nut...

and if i were building an offroad vehicle, i would keep it gas, for the explosive power factor.. the diesel has slow, laggy power.. and the gasser Vortec has SNAP.. its a totally different kind of power..

plus, that 500 pound vortec is going to make better traction than the 200 pound TDI..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
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86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
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Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #16February 22, 2012, 09:22:00 pm

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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2012, 09:22:00 pm »
what about the 10mpg ? Using 75% more fuel will add up sooner or later. lol

Reply #17February 22, 2012, 09:23:17 pm

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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2012, 09:23:17 pm »
what about the 10mpg ? Using 75% more fuel will add up sooner or later. lol

my buddy gets 22mpg with his.. its in a 86 4runner, with 37" tires..

and it FUGGIN HAULS ASS.. (sideways until the trans shifts 3rd gear)
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #18February 22, 2012, 09:36:26 pm

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Re: AAZ 1st gen 4runner?
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2012, 09:36:26 pm »
yeah that vortec 4.3 v6 is the same as the 350 with 2 cylinders cut off. We had a guy run one in a modified dirt track car and would wind against the guys running up to 360 cubic inches. He could do almost whatever he wanted and wouldn't come close to the 360 limit, it reved to the moon, it did better on fuel than the v8's did and was tough as nails.

Still, I say diesel rules but not a TDI. I am really not impressed with my alh yet, but I am not going to do anything to it as it will hopefully last a long time for me. I say 4bt FTW!

Reply #19February 22, 2012, 09:46:19 pm

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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2012, 09:46:19 pm »
yeah that vortec 4.3 v6 is the same as the 350 with 2 cylinders cut off. We had a guy run one in a modified dirt track car and would wind against the guys running up to 360 cubic inches. He could do almost whatever he wanted and wouldn't come close to the 360 limit, it reved to the moon, it did better on fuel than the v8's did and was tough as nails.

Still, I say diesel rules but not a TDI. I am really not impressed with my alh yet, but I am not going to do anything to it as it will hopefully last a long time for me. I say 4bt FTW!

4BT is 700+lbs tho.. and were talking about a toyota here.

sure, they CRAM them in a ranger, but thats not even cool.. if i had a shoe horned ranger, the frame would break from the torque..

if im going to put 700 pounds of engine under the hood, its gonna be a chevy.

one engine i thought would be IDEAL for a toyota, would be a OM617 engine.. turbo of course.. there not too big, and they are EASY to get your hands on for CHEAP.
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #20February 23, 2012, 01:20:56 am

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2012, 01:20:56 am »
yeah that vortec 4.3 v6 is the same as the 350 with 2 cylinders cut off. We had a guy run one in a modified dirt track car and would wind against the guys running up to 360 cubic inches. He could do almost whatever he wanted and wouldn't come close to the 360 limit, it reved to the moon, it did better on fuel than the v8's did and was tough as nails.

Still, I say diesel rules but not a TDI. I am really not impressed with my alh yet, but I am not going to do anything to it as it will hopefully last a long time for me. I say 4bt FTW!

4BT is 700+lbs tho.. and were talking about a toyota here.

sure, they CRAM them in a ranger, but thats not even cool.. if i had a shoe horned ranger, the frame would break from the torque..

if im going to put 700 pounds of engine under the hood, its gonna be a chevy.

one engine i thought would be IDEAL for a toyota, would be a OM617 engine.. turbo of course.. there not too big, and they are EASY to get your hands on for CHEAP.

Funny you mentioned that Kevin, I was just coming post here and see if you had/knew of any OM617's for a decent price! That engine would be sweet. It's apparently a bit of a tight fit, but not terrible. The extra litre of displacement would be great.

There is one someone here is selling for $150.. he claims to have blown an oil ring in saskatoon and drove it back smoking like crazy all the way to Vancouver. It's missing injectors and a diesel primer, should I be afraid of re ringing that and running it? I'm sure those parts won't be hard to find here at all!

And if this were actually a true wheeling rig, it would be gas... most likely 4.3 vortec. But, I want a one wire diesel because I'll be driving it as far into the middle of nowhere and hopefully back and I wouldn't trust doing that in something computer controlled

enough boost is when you have 3 dimple marks in the hood from the valve cover nuts..  ;D

Reply #21February 23, 2012, 12:56:19 pm

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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2012, 12:56:19 pm »
OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!

Reply #22February 23, 2012, 07:54:05 pm

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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2012, 07:54:05 pm »
OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!

ive seen a couple of them, OM617 stuffed into a 4runner..

would be cool to do the swap, then build the hell out of the engine..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #23February 23, 2012, 08:26:17 pm

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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2012, 08:26:17 pm »
OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!

Haha, I'm searching for a motor right now ;)

...anyone have an OM617 for sale? :)

enough boost is when you have 3 dimple marks in the hood from the valve cover nuts..  ;D

Reply #24February 24, 2012, 11:17:45 am

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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2012, 11:17:45 am »
OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!

Haha, I'm searching for a motor right now ;)

...anyone have an OM617 for sale? :)

god, they litter Craigslist down here.. CHEAP.
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #25February 24, 2012, 08:53:02 pm

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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 08:53:02 pm »
OH yes please do an OM617. Please please please please!

Haha, I'm searching for a motor right now ;)

...anyone have an OM617 for sale? :)

god, they litter Craigslist down here.. CHEAP.

Yeah, I noticed Portland Craigslist is full of them! I may have to run down south to grab one if no good deals come up here. There's one on Vancouver Craigslist, $200 without the injection pump. I got excited and called the guy, but in a thick Russian accent he muttered "No, motor gone."

There's someone, actually in Oregon as well who is making an adapter to bolt the OM617 to a Toyota V6 tranny now too! Cheap as well, $360 for the bellhousing plate and machined crank spacer. This is getting exciting :P

enough boost is when you have 3 dimple marks in the hood from the valve cover nuts..  ;D

Reply #26February 29, 2012, 07:39:02 pm

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« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2012, 07:39:02 pm »
Oh hey, what's this doing in front of my house? I think I'll leave these pictures here for now... :)


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enough boost is when you have 3 dimple marks in the hood from the valve cover nuts..  ;D

Reply #27February 29, 2012, 08:30:38 pm

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« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2012, 08:30:38 pm »
oh..my..god..

THIS IS AWESOME!!

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Reply #28February 29, 2012, 09:17:25 pm

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« Reply #28 on: February 29, 2012, 09:17:25 pm »
dude.. this thread is soo full of win..

they make a bell adapter to bolt directly to my existing V6 trans?! and its from oregon?

i know what my next project is going to be!!

(i have a CHERRY 88 runner sitting with no engine, bought the audi 2.0TD for it, but i like the idea of a OM617 better..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #29March 01, 2012, 01:33:24 am

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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2012, 01:33:24 am »
dude.. this thread is soo full of win..

they make a bell adapter to bolt directly to my existing V6 trans?! and its from oregon?

i know what my next project is going to be!!

(i have a CHERRY 88 runner sitting with no engine, bought the audi 2.0TD for it, but i like the idea of a OM617 better..

Yes, right to the V6 trans. He said he's from some rural area of oregon, I didn't ask exactly where though. We chatted on the phone for a while and he seems like a solid guy.. I'll probably be ordering that adapter up very soon!

After driving the car around for the day, it actually seems like a pretty interesting engine. From reading forums etc, everyone was saying how quiet and lacking in torque it was. Well, when I started it up looking at it and when I took it for a drive, I was amazed at first of all how quiet it was and second how little torque it had! Put some music on and I would hardly believe it was a diesel.

When looking at it at first, I thought it might have low compression, mostly because the diesely clatter was very soft. But, it did well in aircare (smog), even cold start (0C/32F) there was just a very light haze of white smoke from the tailpipe and blowby was minimal. All signs of a healthy motor. Also it ran smooth. It doesn't buck or jerk at all, even at it's 600rpm idle.. just purrs like a happy young kitten

The power curve is interesting but I think half a fueling issue. From a dead stand still, I can stomp the go pedal. It hits the torque converter's stall rpm around 1400 and stays there for about 3 seconds slowly picking up speed, then once it pulls from 1800 up to 2200 it actually kicks pretty hard and pulls strong right up to 4000rpm where the tranny shifts at full throttle. It has an LDA equivalent on the pump and I think what's happening is there is very little fuel being put in off boost so it has trouble getting going, but once it does hit boost, fuel is dumped in and it gets moving. Turning off boost fuel up will definitely help with that, although I don't know by how much. I'm not going to touch the pump until I'm driving the truck with the Benz engine, so I won't know for a while.
One comforting thing is that I cannot get it to puff any black smoke. Oh how I tried... matting it to the floor from 600rpm and not a whisp which leads me to believe that fuelling is severely stunted to help keep the soot down. Which, as we all well know, means there are many more torques to be had!

That all said, I'm stoked. This seems like it'll be a great motor for my truck. It'll never have the brute monstrous torque of a 4bt but I'm not going wheeling anywhere crazy and I've got 4.56's and only planning to run 33's so gearing won't be terrible. Popping the hood, the engine bay is incredibly simple so I'll have no trouble figuring out what to delete and how to assemble it in the 4runner. It rev's just fine... it'll be happy as a clam winding at 3000rpm all day on the highway, idles smooth and should give some pretty good fuel economy! 150hp is easily attainable which will push a 4runner just fine.

I'm tired and need sleep. This'll start off slowly but the project will pick up momentum in a few weeks!

enough boost is when you have 3 dimple marks in the hood from the valve cover nuts..  ;D

 

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