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September 29, 2011, 11:41:56 pm

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Can I make my mk3 calipers work on my mk1?
« on: September 29, 2011, 11:41:56 pm »
I have 1998 TDI calipers, that have nice big vented disks with them and i was wondering if i could use them on my 84 by chance?? The car I got them off I still have available, so the carriers would be gettable..

Will it work or whuuut lol



Reply #1September 30, 2011, 11:49:18 am

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Re: Can I make my mk3 calipers work on my mk1?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2011, 11:49:18 am »
you would require 16v rocco or audi 4000 quattro brake caliper carriers to have a direct bolt on..

the bolt holes holding the carrier to the hub is different... and why the issue... and no i do not beleive in trying to fit mk3 spindles to a mk1.. even though there is lots that say it works.. but gotta mod ball joints and crap to do it..

now i have not tried #2 option... jman's corrado 11" adapter.. its designed to change this bolt pattern.. so the corrado carrier for 11" can be fitted.. now since this carrier for the 10.1" and 11" are the differance.. id assume the tdi carrier will bolt right to it allowing for a 10.1" 88-99.5 to be a direct fit... something i did not test when i put the 11" on my toaster.. the 11" are direct swaps on the mk3 cars..

so if you cannot find the 16v or quattro carriers.. IMO best bang for buck... tons of 4kq in yards/parting with very few knowing they direct fit on a mk1.. should be easy to find IMO..

Reply #2October 04, 2011, 02:31:29 pm

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Re: Can I make my mk3 calipers work on my mk1?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 02:31:29 pm »
I did jmans adapters
corrado brakes and new brembo disc ,16 v spindles,100 mm axles
I powdercoated the spindles before installing the new bearings and hubs
complete s/s brake lines, front and rear
you will need a 22.5 master and a mkii pedal assy to attach to the master cylinder
front brake lines from a later cabby or mk1 autohaus can make you what you need

stops on a dime, really overkill...

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Reply #3October 04, 2011, 03:24:46 pm

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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2011, 03:24:46 pm »
You dont need a MKII pedal assy. One from a cabby or a scirocco 85> will work just fine. Plus it bolts in and a MKII assy will not just bolt in.

Reply #4October 04, 2011, 11:27:37 pm

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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2011, 11:27:37 pm »
the stock master will work just fine unless he does rear disks.. then the pedal gets closer to the floor and with properly adjusted handbrake will even work..

the roddo 11" is overkill... at least IMO not sutable for rain/snow as they lock up way too easy, this in my toaster.. and getting moving is just as much fun.. not had in snow and no way plan too either...

the 10.1" is a little sketchy IMO for rain.. ran them way too long on a mk1.. that car (84 coupe now, started off in rot box 82 coupe) with the 10.1 ive ran since 94 with rear disks and 10.1" on stock master.. all car does is slide in snow..

14" and 15" tires/wheels sucky in snow.. so rember that..

Reply #5October 05, 2011, 03:19:29 pm

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 03:19:29 pm »
just add in abs ;D,

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Reply #6October 07, 2011, 08:54:46 pm

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Re: Can I make my mk3 calipers work on my mk1?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 08:54:46 pm »
I have the 98 calipers, pads, rotors, and the brackets the calipers bolt too. And then the brackets bolt to the mk3 knuckle right?

16v rocco carriers will allow my 98 calipers to bolt to my 84's knuckles?

Reply #7October 07, 2011, 10:39:08 pm

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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 10:39:08 pm »
I don't get the reason behind bigger brakes, sure if you got lots of hill and have to ride the brakes a lot maybe they'd be a good idea but why not just down shift?

I have vented stock size disks on my rabbit and drum in the rear and I can easily skid the front tires on dry pavement. The rears come close enough to skidding that it gets squirrely.

Unless it's the look factor in which case I understand competely ;D
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Reply #8October 07, 2011, 10:44:15 pm

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Re: Can I make my mk3 calipers work on my mk1?
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 10:44:15 pm »
I have had the same brakes on my car for the last coming up on 5 years. The rotors just have a slight ridge to them, and the pads look as thick as when i put them in. I am "teh king" of downshifting ;)

I have the mk3 hardware i nabbed off a car i stripped, would like the larger vented rotors for when i swap the torquemonster TDI under the hood. The 9.4's ?? barely do an alright job getting in front of the anemic 1.6 n/a to slow it down from its top speeds of 140km/h  :o :o :o LOL

So when the car is capable of 200+, you know for those closed course sessions, I want to be able to stop the sumbish.

Reply #9October 08, 2011, 10:38:34 am

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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 10:38:34 am »
yes you need 16v rocco or 83-87 audi 4000 quattro carriers.. they bolt to the spindel/wheel bearing area and then the caliper bolts to them.. the 98 will not bolt to bearing/spindle.. holes in wrong place..

why bigger brakes.. easy.. when being dumb.. need them... as in if you can get to speed faster.. gotta stop faster too... as in doing stupid things on country back roads.. memories of piggy taking over 3 miles and 3 stop signs to catch up... is reasons why..  :P p.s. i got away with a no front plate ticket..

Reply #10October 08, 2011, 01:14:41 pm

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Re: Can I make my mk3 calipers work on my mk1?
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2011, 01:14:41 pm »
yes you need 16v rocco or 83-87 audi 4000 quattro carriers.. they bolt to the spindel/wheel bearing area and then the caliper bolts to them.. the 98 will not bolt to bearing/spindle.. holes in wrong place..

why bigger brakes.. easy.. when being dumb.. need them... as in if you can get to speed faster.. gotta stop faster too... as in doing stupid things on country back roads.. memories of piggy taking over 3 miles and 3 stop signs to catch up... is reasons why..  :P p.s. i got away with a no front plate ticket..

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Reply #11October 08, 2011, 03:30:05 pm

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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 03:30:05 pm »
well gasser tale.. back in 97.. before fast diesels existed.. LOL..

way home from YSUsless.. once nice afternoon in the 84 coupe.. why 97 still had 14s on it.. got the 15s in 98.. was on a set of back roads i "have fun on" and that car will pull 80-85 in 3rd much like toaster does.. :D with its old 80ff tranny and 2.0 8v i gots in it..

i blew past him at one point.. no idea where... still no clue where.. he gabbled off where and well it was close to the beginning of said back roads i was on.. :D well while sitting at 3rd stop sign i see him roll around the turn behind me say 3/4 miles back.. :D and im like.. crap.. wonder where i passed him as there never piggies out here... his blinkies still not in on..

so i roll on thru the stop sign and creep away to see if i get followed.. he finally catches up.. throws on blinkies.. so i stop.. :D

"do you know why i stopped you" ahhhh not really... "you can honestly say that" ahhh honestly maybe excessive speed?? but no idea where you saw me... " well yea you were speeding.. but you lack a front plate" :D he never clocked me.. i knew that due to radar detector never going off..

so got a toung lashing.. a coupon for no front plate.. $68 at that time.. and a commint on my audi r8 ronal style wheels on it ;)

real smoke tail... :D 79mph in 65.... my 1.6td wagon april fools morning aka 1amish out side of columbus on way back north.. 4 persons in it.. of non light weight.. say good 1000lb of beef.. back fully loaded where you can in no way see out of it.. rear bumper abt 1" off ground.. 2 state piggies... and a view on their face when no one from same zip code and so much $$ in rc crap in the back that they did not wanna deal with what they were seeing.. toung lashing and sent on way.. :D passat has 10.1" ad rear disks.. its needs them and does not have issues in crappy weather like mk1 do...

now.. so since way off topic... :P

the 82 coupe that became the 84 coupe.. started off with a 1.8 8v.. then moved up to a 1.8 10:1 8v with cam on stock fuel/ignition aka no knock sensors type of crap.. used 4 1.8s to build that.. then soon relized how unusefull the brakes were.. they would fade so bad, rember this is back in 94-95ish.. since the 82 was so rotty i did stupid things as well if i crunch it no big loss.. there were nights of running sr11 where the tops of the doors would fludder like a butterfly.. :D

the pedal would sink to the floor trying to stop from fade that i did rear disks.. then relized how much better they worked.. aka turned blue from heat..  16v prop valves were added to prevent this a week later.. still on stock master by the way.. then to add more to the fronts.. i went up to 10.1" and honestly.. the stock master still used.. :D the big advantage.. can lock up all 4 vs a 16v rocco 22mm master set up.. yes pedal is lower to floor.. but somehow the smaller master allows more pressure.. in feb 97 i built the 84 coupe from the 82 coupe.. picked up the 84 in june 96.. it sat for a few mo till i did its build..

now with todays pads and such.. no idea how fade will be...   

Reply #12October 08, 2011, 03:36:48 pm

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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2011, 03:36:48 pm »
I put dual piston 11" brakes on the front of my GTD. I did not change the MC. I would not downsize my brakes for anything. I love them! I did the same thing with my Vanagon (5500lbs loaded) and wouldnt go back either.

Reply #13October 10, 2011, 07:12:19 pm

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2011, 07:12:19 pm »
Can I get the smaller brakes vented then? I just notice that right now with only the 52ish hp non turbo.. I can get going fast enough where a good hard stop (if needed) is kinda hectic.

I know what your thinking, he's 21, therefore he MUST drive like a douchebag. On the contrary, I drive very well and am one of the people paying extremely high insurance prices in this god forsaken province for absolutely no reason. In my 5 years of driving I have never once lost control of my vehicle in any condition, never had a traffic violation, or even come anywhere near having an accident. Explain to me why I pay the prices I do? In a year I pay almost 3 times what my car is worth, and have never had to make a claim. The day I write my car off? I'd probably get $300 and be told to go on my way.. Insurance companies can suck it..

The reason I want to upgrade the brakes is for those times when I am out alone on the roads where doing stupid stuff will only result in the loss of one life ;) Plus who doesn't want to stop better!?

Reply #14October 10, 2011, 07:59:54 pm

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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2011, 07:59:54 pm »
You can get 9.4"s in vented if you want.

 

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