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Reply #15July 20, 2011, 06:32:43 pm

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2011, 06:32:43 pm »
OK, this may be a REALLY dumb question, but I am gonna ask it anyway...

Are the 1.6 gas and 1.6 diesel crank the same?

Have at it, I have my flame suit on...

Reply #16July 20, 2011, 07:34:43 pm

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2011, 07:34:43 pm »
OK, this may be a REALLY dumb question, but I am gonna ask it anyway...

Are the 1.6 gas and 1.6 diesel crank the same?

Have at it, I have my flame suit on...

no, gasser crank has a bigger stroke by .5mm
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #17July 21, 2011, 08:32:12 pm

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2011, 08:32:12 pm »
Found a 1.6 na locally... Is the crank the same between a TD and a NA?  Should this crank work in my engine?

Gettin it for $100, with a "guarantee" that if I can't use the crank I'd get my $ back.

Reply #18July 22, 2011, 05:44:34 am

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2011, 05:44:34 am »
They are basically the same. Hagar on the other forum claims that TD cranks are forged better and have hardend journals or something like that it has been a year since I read that so don't quote me on that. Other than that you can bolt it right up and use it. They have all the same demensions.

Reply #19July 22, 2011, 03:35:11 pm

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2011, 03:35:11 pm »
Cool... Can't wait now to get that one home and torn down.

Thanks for all the input everyone!

Reply #20July 23, 2011, 03:01:48 am

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2011, 03:01:48 am »
Found a 1.6 na locally... Is the crank the same between a TD and a NA?  Should this crank work in my engine?

Gettin it for $100, with a "guarantee" that if I can't use the crank I'd get my $ back.
For the 1.6's I can see no sign on the 'KATE' for any different part  nos from 81 to the '90s
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Reply #21July 23, 2011, 06:51:33 am

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2011, 06:51:33 am »
More support... Thanks Mark!

Reply #22July 23, 2011, 06:53:30 pm

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2011, 06:53:30 pm »
Again, my pistons:





Found this website today:

http://www.boosttown.com/engine/piston_damage.pdf

Is the damage on the pistons indicative of injectors in need of rebuilding?  I mean, since I have it all apart, and am in a waiting mode...

Reply #23July 24, 2011, 11:47:11 am

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2011, 11:47:11 am »
its just piston erosion, mostly from time, and possibly a bad spray pattern. also happens when you over fuel these engines..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #24August 01, 2011, 04:03:57 pm

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2011, 04:03:57 pm »
It's funny, we can find all these rebuild parts from the suppliers (GAP, AH, PP, etc) but none of them have the crankshaft itself.  

I have a bad crank (the thrust landings are worn down to the lobes), and I cannot find a new one anywhere. I have purchased a used engine locally, to find that the crank is bent.  Of course, you can't tell that it's bent until you take it to a machine shop and have some measurements done, and luckily I know the seller personally and he'll make it right with me.

I hate buying something so critical over the web/email/forums/etc, because you just don't know *for certain* if the seller is trustworthy.  Or at least, there's a big time and expense in shipping a crank around the map, and that's a loss for everyone if it doesn't work out well; at least if purchased locally, a guy can run back out to the seller and say, "Dude...", ya know?

So I guess I'll haul my original crank back to the machinist, so he can see if it's worth sending in to a crankshaft rebuilder to get the thrust landings built back up and machined into spec again... Hopefully there isn't too much missing on the journals themselves, but at least he can tell me that before spending any money on it.

EDIT: Turns out the place the machinist works at (a CarQuest) has a supplier that can get a crankshaft... $336 plus exchange and shipping, including bearings (I would guess just mains, and probably integral thrust bearings, not like http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=28317.0 < those).  I might go that way...  That doesn't seem too bad a price for a guaranteed good crank.  Guessing it's a reman, but still...
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Reply #25August 01, 2011, 06:51:21 pm

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Re: 1.6 TD rebuild questions
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2011, 06:51:21 pm »
If your up for a drive the Dakotakid is in South Dakota and a hell of a guy to deal with. He may have the part, whether it is for sale or not I don't know. He has friends that have stuff too. A 1.6L crank shouldn't be hard to find used I wouldn't think.