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Reply #30September 14, 2013, 03:29:18 pm

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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2013, 03:29:18 pm »
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Reply #31September 18, 2013, 05:06:21 pm

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Re: looking for some education, rover tdi pumps
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2013, 05:06:21 pm »
I'm looking into this as well - do only the 300 tdi landy pumps work?  Are there other pumps that fit?  4BT cummins seem to be scarce commodity as well.  I have several vw pumps - a 1.6 (no lda) a 1.9 and a 1Z tdi. Will it be easiest to use faq and modify these to make one Mtdi?
99' 1.9 1Z Tdi, hybrid pump -1.9 housing & rover internals, 2052 wastegate turbo,.25 hflox nozzles, SDI intake, CTN tranny
96' 1.6 TD Golf, Giles pump, VNT 17, Gas changed to Diesel, Air to Water Int.

Reply #32September 18, 2013, 05:13:11 pm

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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2013, 05:13:11 pm »
8v of fury thought he could build one... now has rover one... talk to him...

libby has new pumps... good prce... think they cummins.. not sure..

and you see the info i had... the man was wanting to know my part # so was easier for me to bump thread vs his search...

Reply #33September 18, 2013, 09:57:55 pm

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Re: looking for some education, rover tdi pumps
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2013, 09:57:55 pm »
My prior supply of base pumps has run dry. I am not sure if, when or at what price I will have more. 

I believe the Land Rover 200TDI is the same pump as the 300TDI but you'd want to confirm.  Recently I was surfing eBay UK and saw an Isuzu pump for a DI engine that looked like it would be a 100% bolt-on for an AHU...

Reply #34September 18, 2013, 10:06:37 pm

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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2013, 10:06:37 pm »
My prior supply of base pumps has run dry. I am not sure if, when or at what price I will have more. 

I believe the Land Rover 200TDI is the same pump as the 300TDI but you'd want to confirm.  Recently I was surfing eBay UK and saw an Isuzu pump for a DI engine that looked like it would be a 100% bolt-on for an AHU...

link it up!!  ;)
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Reply #35September 18, 2013, 10:15:56 pm

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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2013, 10:15:56 pm »
I didn't put it on my watch list and have since gone back searching a couple times to no avail.  I think it was for a 2.8L engine.  It even came with the 4 TDI injectors... 

Reply #36September 18, 2013, 10:19:08 pm

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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2013, 10:19:08 pm »
It is fairly easy to make your own M-tdi pump out of what you have, if you have the skill and tools.

There are very minor parts that need precision work in order to accomplish making the pump have enough internal throttle throw for the DI cam plate profile and injection stroke. They have a larger injection because their injectors can flow quite a bit more fuel per injection stroke.

I have run a VW TDI engine on a bone stock 1.6/1.9 IDI pump, and still had more power than a stock 1.6 TD or 1.9 AAZ.

I went to a Rover pump because it was for sale in this continent for a steal.. I wanted to learn.. and it had the 11mm rotor ;)

Reply #37September 19, 2013, 11:58:32 am

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Re: looking for some education, rover tdi pumps
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2013, 11:58:32 am »
I have these pumps so I think I will give it a try.  I have work at a machine shop so I have some tools at my disposal if I muck-it-up so to speak.  However, libbydiesel - if you get a new supply and have a one to sell, I would still be interested in a month or two.

The faq isn't really clear on what the better base to use is - is the 1.9 the base/pump housing to use or is the 1.6 better? Or no difference?  I guess I need to take them apart and see what I have as well. 
99' 1.9 1Z Tdi, hybrid pump -1.9 housing & rover internals, 2052 wastegate turbo,.25 hflox nozzles, SDI intake, CTN tranny
96' 1.6 TD Golf, Giles pump, VNT 17, Gas changed to Diesel, Air to Water Int.

Reply #38September 19, 2013, 12:27:03 pm

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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2013, 12:27:03 pm »
Well you see. It depends on what 1.9 pump you have and what external goodes it has and whether or not you want to use them.

I only did half the mods when I was delving in to that bit of it.. but I have been in many 1.6 and 1.9 pumps and the cases are more or less identical save for early 1.5/6 stuff with no load timing stuff in the governor.

Id use the 1.9 base with its governor wheel assembly and then a 1.6td lid for simplcity sake.. easier throttle springs and a functioning lda boost pin.

I have been meaning to rewrite the faq on the mtdi scene.. as I have been very intimate with it the last year.. I just havent found the time.

Reply #39September 19, 2013, 01:00:12 pm

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Re: looking for some education, rover tdi pumps
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2013, 01:00:12 pm »
Set static timing of stock 1.6 or 1.9 pumps at 157 or 158 and it will act more like a direct injection pump - than otherwise!
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Reply #40September 24, 2013, 12:42:45 pm

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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2013, 12:42:45 pm »
the 200 and 300 tdi pumps i have striped seem the same , i have striped a few and build them in to pug 1.9 idi bodys as thay bolt up to the 1z and afn , there ok but i mod them for more lb/t , i am dont care about high rpm hp , as i just want to sip the juice and at 260 lb/t at 1700 ish is good for me 
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Reply #41November 12, 2013, 12:59:45 pm

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Re: looking for some education, rover tdi pumps
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2013, 12:59:45 pm »
Bosch part number is
0460414080, or last 3 digits 099,098,069,136,194,205

Reply #42November 13, 2013, 10:22:42 pm

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Re: looking for some education, rover tdi pumps
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2013, 10:22:42 pm »
part# in 1st post of my pump has the tps on it..

 

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