Automatic IDI, myth or reality

[chrissev]

I've heard about the A2 having an optional auto box.

Is this true? :?:

Someone told me it was so slow you could run faster... :shock:

It is true, and here is the proof:  http://www.trader.ca/Search/Details.asp?mknm=771&Region=&subcategory=&CAT=1

...sorry, link doesn't work.  Anyway, it is an ad in the Canadian Auto trader:  Here it is (minus the picture):

Year: 1986
Make: VOLKSWAGEN
Model: JETTA
Model Detail:
Price: $1,400
Mileage: ------- km
Date: 8/3/04
Ad Type: Private

1986 VW JETTA DIESEL AUTOMATIC
Comment: Diesel auto, very few made, good body, well maint., rebuilt motor and many new parts incl. new Roadgear CD/stereo w/Pioneer spkrs, needs trans. work, e-test and ran well until end of 2003, asking $1,400 as is obo. (905)304-0031 (CLTHFB)

Try this link and if it works, click on the blue 1986 Jetta:  http://search.trader.ca/Results.asp?BFROM=1&BAD=Y&BPRICE=Y&BTYPE=B&BCAT=1&BOREGION=-1&BYEAR1=&BYEAR2=&BPRICE1=1&BPRICE2=1500&BKEYWORD=&BMAKE=771&BMODEL=&q1=%3D+1&c1=@category&q3=771&c3=@makeid&q5=&c5=@adcopy&q6=&c6=@year&q7=%3E%3D+1+and+%3C%3D+1500&c7=@askprice&q10==Y%20or%20@newad=Y&c10=@askchanged&SortBy=askprice&SortOrder=d&DisplayType=pictures&DisplayRowCount=48&mknm=771&mdnm=&q14=&c14=@subcategory&subcategory=&CAT=1

[BlackTieTD]

wow. $1400 for an '86 not running that needs a gearbox. ya, all over that  :roll:

[chrissev]

wow. $1400 for an '86 not running that needs a gearbox. ya, all over that  :roll:

yeah, I'd never buy it for that price.  Maybe for $500, if it would be easy to get it running again, then put a 5spd in it to make it liveable.

[blackbird82]

any diesel running a bosch pump, when being driven by the wheels moving the governor faster will inject no fuel.

at that point your foot is off the throttle putting no pressure on the springs pulling agaisnt the spill collar controlling fuel amount.
the governor is spinnin like mad cause its bein driven by the car coasting, overpowering the throttle spring
so it pulls the spill collar back into cut-off. as soon as the car slows or you put your foot into it, spring pressure increases and fueling resumes.

just remember engine speed is  controlled battle between a spring and a spinng top!

[blackbird82]

I used to in the shop and at school have a diesel injection timing light that clips on the injection line and measures timing like a gasser, when injection happens
WHen we revved an engine up, and a lot of them did this, VW, CAT, Deere you saw the injections happen faster. but if we full throttled them and let them fall to idle, the timing flashes stopped. no fuel injected when the engine is falling to idle.
was very cool

[theman53]

7 year old bump...that could be a record

[8v-of-fury]

My woman's car has the 010 3spd auto behind a 1.8L and it does alright. I think it would honestly make a great trans for behind an aaz..

[R.O.R-2.0]

i wouldnt use an 010 in factory trim.. i would find a transmission assembly (not the whole transaxle) out of an Audi 5k.. they got 5 clutches in each pack instead of 3 like a rabbit/jetta trans..

[8v-of-fury]

Not saying behind a modified crazy aaz, just stock.

But I see what you mean

[R.O.R-2.0]

yea, but i think they are pretty marginal for even a gasser. i wouldnt wanna know how long they last with an engine in front of them that actually makes some torque..

[8v-of-fury]

Well her 90 has the 1.8L.. It makes the same if not more torque than the 1.9aaz (at around 105-107ft.lbs)..

The AAZ just makes it a lot lower down, and this tranny is a long geared beast. It would do well, because its constantly in the 21-3000 range as it is.

[RabbitJockey]

i know they made both mk1 and mk2 automatic diesels, i had a mk1 automatic diesel, it was a great car, the transmission was geared a little bit low for the highway, but it still got great mileage, and was a breeze to drive, i regret selling it actually, it was a great car really.  i really really wish i still had it haha

[RabbitJockey]

yeah 010 is actually a really good trans, just doesn;t have any aftermarket support cause vw people don't like automatics the way muscle car people do.  i used to power break mine and stuff, it always shifted firm and never slipped, same with my gfs cabriolet, it has 170k on it, and shift firm and smooth and never slips, i used to do burn outs in her cabby and stuff.  just a good solid trans imo

[mattbondy]

I bought a black 86 Jetta 1.6 NA with an automatic here in Ontario a couple of years ago. The inside of the trunk, the engine bay, and the sun roof were blue. I wonder if it was the same car (as the auto trader post at the beginning of this page).

It was a complete rip off. Supposedly had a complete braking system and engine overhaul. In the two years I owned it the brakes failed about half a dozen times (master cylinder, both rear wheel cylinders, proportioning valve connected to the rear suspension, broken brake lines, and front discs - inner surfaces were coated in rust and just disintegrated one day). Luckily because of that slushbox I never went on the freeway...

After two years it had so much blowby that it would run away if I tried to go over 60 km/h...

[R.O.R-2.0]

Well her 90 has the 1.8L.. It makes the same if not more torque than the 1.9aaz (at around 105-107ft.lbs)..

The AAZ just makes it a lot lower down, and this tranny is a long geared beast. It would do well, because its constantly in the 21-3000 range as it is.

ok, well, im talking that if i used one, i would use the audi trans pack, and i WOULD NOT be putting a stock engine in front of it..

my 1.6 makes more torque than any stock gasser engine.