run on veg oil

[tunedbandit]

Hey guys

anyone running svo using a preheat 2 tank set up,was thinking of running my 2001 T4 1.9TD,,dont fancy mixing it want to do it right & heat the stuff up then flick a switch,,cheers Rick

[maxfax]

I've been running WVO in my 1.6 NA/s for years now..  SVO should even be easier, less clean up involved.....   You're 1.9 is a direct injection engine isn't it?

[the caveman]

Super easy and great once running well.
#1 definitely heat the tank and VO fuel filter
#2 i strongly recommend a vegetherm heater from Plantdrive. Install it just before  it goes in the pump.
#3 don't use any garbage for WVO. If it's cloudy,walk away, it has water in it. The better you filter it before it goes in your tank the better it'll run.

[sdwarf36]

Best advice--go here + read read read.

www.greasecar.com   /community/ forums

[OM617]

anyone running svo

Its great if you want to trash a good engine.

dont fancy mixing it want to do it right

Then buy a biodiesel processor. There is no way to run an engine on raw VO without long-term damage.

[the caveman]

Not that i'm completely doing for how much less it cost's, But when considered, the amount saved will easily pay for worn pumps and engines. I now have 2 old customers who have been running on WVO for about 100,000 kms each in work trucks- Ford f 350s, without any issues, other than filter changes. Louie has saved about  $30,000 in the past 2 years

[OM617]

But when considered, the amount saved will easily pay for worn pumps and engines.

Ah, you're going for the "cheapskate" argument instead of how "green" it is, makes sense since trashing pumps and engines isn't very environmentally friendly.

Louie has saved about  $30,000 in the past 2 years

EPA's fines can make that pale in comparison when they dip your tank.

[rabbitman]

But when considered, the amount saved will easily pay for worn pumps and engines.

Ah, you're going for the "cheapskate" argument instead of how "green" it is, makes sense since trashing pumps and engines isn't very environmentally friendly.

Louie has saved about  $30,000 in the past 2 years

EPA's fines can make that pale in comparison when they dip your tank.

So are you calling yourself a greeny/treehugger then?

And are you claiming it's illegal to run vegi oil?

[OM617]

So are you calling yourself a greeny/treehugger then?

Thats impossible for anyone to genuinely claim.

And are you claiming it's illegal to run vegi oil?

There is no claim. Its a fact VO is illegal to use in any on-highway engine.
If you want to gum up your race engine, farm truck or bobcat with it, have a ball!

[745 turbogreasel]

Scrap metal from a junk engine or pump is pretty small in the grand scheme of things, and I am not sold on the WVO damages engines thing, mine looks normal for its age every time I have it apart.  Chances are an old pump is about to fail from ULSD anyway.

Yes any fuel on which you do not pay road tax is illegal.  Used VO is hazardous waste, and requires a permit to carry.  What percent of fuel additive you are allowed to run is a huge grey area.

As far as my own WVO setup, I think 20 year old diesel components have given me more trouble than the grease side of things.
To back up an earlier post, initial quality of the oil is everything.  The only Veg Therm I ever looked at was leaking, and I binned it.  Heat seems to work.  All the kits I've seen gome with inferior hardware, I typicaly spend about $100 at the hydraulic shop to rectify that.

[tunedbandit]

I've been running WVO in my 1.6 NA/s for years now..  SVO should even be easier, less clean up involved.....   You're 1.9 is a direct injection engine isn't it?

hi mate no its indirect injection "1.9TD"

[tunedbandit]

thanks for the advice chaps,
diesel at the pump hear in the UK is nion £1.20 per litre & is deffo going to rise :'(
brand new off the shelf veg oil from Tesco is 75p per litre
here in the UK you can run "Before declaring it less than 2500 litres per year
   
Fuel Duty. (UK).
Revenue & Customs biofuels simplification - Change in the way UK vegetable oil fuel duty is collected was passed in Parliament on 8th June 2007 and me into effect on 30th June 2007.
Earlier this year Revenue & Customs proposed:

A de minimis production level of 2,500 litres per annum below which producers would not need to enter premises, submit returns or pay duty (Please note: we seem to have many customers who are getting confused by Revenue & Customs use of the word "producers", we have checked and it has been confirmed that USERS and PRODUCERS can be treated, for these purposes as THE SAME), and

Reducing the frequency of returns for all but the largest producers (defined as those producing over 450,000 litres per annum) from monthly to quarterly.

Revised 12/06/07: For further info from Revenue & Customs website see the following publications:

11/06/07 Follow up to Revenue & Customs Brief 37/07 on Biofuels Simplification

08/06/07 Explanatory Memorandum Amendment

Revenue & Customs Brief 37/07 - Introduction of biofuels simplification

Biofuels and other fuel substitutes

Below are the previous proposal publications that set the background to the new rules

Summary of Responses: Review of the definition of biodiesel

Biofuels: simplification of regulations

This is fantastic news for all biofuel users or potential users, UK Revenue & Customs will introduce new rulings on the way fuel duty is handled, in effect providing you use less than 2,500 litres per annum you will not have to register or pay duty.

Whats more Diesel is over £1.00 per litre, new veg from supermarkets, cash and carry such as Costco and Macro in 20 Litre drums, or in larger quantities from wholesale suppliers and canneries such as KTC Edible Oils in larger quantities (1000 litre IBC). Oil is around 50 to 60p per litre so its half price motoring on new oil lowering to next to nothing if you reclaim and use waste oil.

To see what this will mean have a look at the table below, compare your average mpg to see how many miles or kilometres you can travel on veg oil without having to worry about fuel duty - that's right TAX FREE!! Perfectly legal.

Maximum allowable veg oil usage in Litres before having to register or pay fuel duty to UK Revenue & Customs is set at 2500 Litres Per Year, below you can see how many miles or kilometres this equates to when compared to your vehicles Miles Per Gallon
Average Miles Per Gallon
20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60
Miles you can run on veg oil before you have to register or pay duty:
10,998 13,748 16,498 19,247 21,997 24,747 27,496 30,246 32,995
Kilometres you can run on veg oil before you have to register or pay duty: 17,700 22,125 26,550 30,976 35,401 39,826 44,251 48,676 53,101
all the above info is taken from
www.dieselveg.com

[maxfax]

IDI's seem to be much more forgiving when it comes to burning things other than diesel in them.. Get all the proper heating in order and you should be set..   Sounds like your government had their act together when it comes to burning this on the road..  

Over here, most states have nothing against burning VO other than they want the taxes.. However many states do not recognize it as a alternative fuel..  This would equate to a higher road tax..  But to make things more interesting, on the federal level it's not approved as a road fuel, period..  Since there is really nothing set up to enforce such laws (excluding people who have nothing better to do or are mad because they didn't think of it) it really isn't much of a concern..

I had approximately 180,00 miles (290,000km) on my one car burning WVO..  My current car is at around 130,000 miles (210,000KM) on WVO..  The only real issue I have had is getting everything hot enough in the winter months.. When the ambient temps get and stay at or below freezing I end up running diesel all the time.. I have debated either making a smaller tank or using a larger heat exchanger. I suspect the issue is the engine just doesn't generate enough waste heat as even the coolant temp remains low unless I turn off the coolant flow to the WVO system.. I ran out of WVO a month before winter set in, and new fuel grade VO isn't really much of a savings over here, so I haven't devoted much time to fixing this yet..  Possibly some sort of electric heater (such as the suggested Vegtherm) may be the answer..  I'm sure it would help in being able to switch from diesel faster..  Now that the weather is warming up and my seasonal WVO sources are back in operation I plan to get back to work on it.

[monkey magic]

There is no way to run an engine on raw VO without long-term damage.

You'd better get in touch with Elsbett and tell them what they've been doing for years doesn't work then.

Do you know exactly what type of damage results, even with clean svo and a properly operated 2 tank & heater system? I would be interested to hear any solid facts you have about this...

[macka]

Considering Rudolf Diesel designed the engine to run off peanut oil, it seems funny that people are so resistant to using veggy fuels.