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Reply #15February 18, 2010, 10:40:38 am

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2010, 10:40:38 am »
If it aint broke don't fix it.  The bores still had cross hatching when I got the block, to me that means that the bores are still good, but that's just me.  I am trying to avoid all of the machining that I can, i'ts a pain to keep taking it back to the machinist and hear his I-told-you-so speech again and again :P ::)  No, but seriously, the bores are fine, why mess up a good thing?  I have to buy pistons regardless why spend the extra 100 bones if I don't have to time will tell, I'll find out tomorrow, completely forgot about it today.  I'll be sure to take some pics too.

cross hatches or not, i pulled my last 1.5 apart (single owner, never been taken apart, EVER) and it had 125k miles on it, and the bores still had cross hatching in them, and only a slight lip. there was still cross hatching in those cylinders too, so im sure your cross hatching is old also. i just wouldnt half ass the pistons/bores. but if you drop your new pistons in, and there at .001" spec, then run it, but if its any looser, i would bore it and go over size. i just dont see why you are gonna skimp on such an important step (in my eyes) and you are willing to splurge on such un-important things such as a complete aftermarket oil system. i think i would rather bore the block, than go with the oil system if it were me, and if i were on a limited budget. i just dont get your method of thinking sometimes is all...

when i built my last engine, no, i did not bore it. but, it has a piston and rod out of a completely different engine. and the bottom of the bore is broken. it still runs great, but i can tell its not right. it has a cold miss that goes away, and uses some oil, more than i would like. by not boring your engine, you are just asking for lots of blow by, and an engine that burns plenty of oil.

i just wouldnt take the chance unless its still at stock VW spec (or atleast super close for piston to cylinder wall clearance.

Reply #16February 18, 2010, 02:56:09 pm

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2010, 02:56:09 pm »
I'm not on a budget build per-se, just frugal "the mods don't like it when I use a certain ethnic word, even though I am one" ;)  I will spec it out for sure.
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Reply #17February 21, 2010, 11:52:36 am

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2010, 11:52:36 am »
76.98 thats oversize, and that is what I need 8)
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #18February 21, 2010, 02:20:02 pm

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2010, 02:20:02 pm »
Brand new Kolbenschmidt 76.98 turbo pistons is what I have.  Stamped right across the top of the piston.
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Parts for 2.0 TD build - Now looking for suitable car to put it in.

Reply #19February 21, 2010, 08:33:41 pm

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2010, 08:33:41 pm »
76.98 thats oversize, and that is what I need 8)

whats your bore mic out at? have you checked yet? how tapered are the bores? how is the ridge at the top of the bore?

Reply #20February 21, 2010, 09:13:11 pm

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2010, 09:13:11 pm »
hold on, I have to dig up the ol mic 8)
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #21February 22, 2010, 08:57:36 pm

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2010, 08:57:36 pm »
Ok, I have a set of calipers, best reading I can get says 76.92, what is the best way to get an accurate reading?  or am I using the wrong tool for the job? ???
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #22February 22, 2010, 09:00:09 pm

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2010, 09:00:09 pm »
There is absolutely no ridge at the top of the bore, just to be clear.  I gotta be doing something wrong when measuring, it is a digital set of calipers, and yes, I zeroized and calibrated them properly before use.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #23February 22, 2010, 09:07:40 pm

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2010, 09:07:40 pm »
Are you using bore gauges?

This style lets you use a dial caliper:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-TELESCOPING-GAUGE-SET-inside-bore-measuring-tools_W0QQitemZ370334514951QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item5639a83f07

This style has the gauge built-in:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PRECISION-ENGINE-CYLINDER-HOLE-DIAL-BORE-GAUGE-GAGE-SET_W0QQitemZ370339278224QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item5639f0ed90


The idea is to take a series of readings in several directions at 3 or more depths on the bore... giving you an accurate picture of mean diameter, taper, etc.
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Reply #24February 22, 2010, 09:26:26 pm

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2010, 09:26:26 pm »
so in other words, I need to get my machinist to do it for me.... 80 bucks for a guage is not what I was expecting :'(  Thanks Vince, I'll figure something out.  I want to do this myself, but it seems that that may not be the case.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #25February 22, 2010, 09:34:16 pm

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2010, 09:34:16 pm »
Probably a good idea.  They are an acquired skill to use as well... in terms of repeatability.... for a one-off handing it off to a guy that does this for a living might make sense.

I have a set but I mostly use them to predict how bad the news from the machinist is likely to be.   ::)
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Reply #26February 23, 2010, 12:00:36 am

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Re: WTB: oversize pistons for a cy code 1.6 td 030
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2010, 12:00:36 am »
I'll know wed evening :-\  be worried till then :'(
dnahtasinoivilboeraweb
you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa