I had a crazy thought, Ideas please.

[jtanguay]

in response to jtanguay's video,
That braking system could be instantaneous...
you could use electro magnets. give them a charge at the blink of an eye and boom full braking force. It is the exactly opposite of an electric motor.
if you spin a lathe backwards or a drill backwards you are putting power back into the wall
i believe the prius has dynamo brakes. It is not new technology.

my parents have an '07 camry hybrid. it does have an engine brake feature by the shift selector (its pretty cool actually...) but it still has regular brake pads which i can see lasting for a very long time. i've also seen a new volvo concept car that has motors on each wheel, yet still uses brake pads. they obviously do not know how to create a failsafe feature. even conventional brakes need the motor to be on to work best. why not have a system that can work either with the engine running or off? it could also be a conspiracy... imagine all the laid off workers and profit loss if everyone had brakes that never wore out?

[Smokey Eddy]

in response to jtanguay's video,
That braking system could be instantaneous...
you could use electro magnets. give them a charge at the blink of an eye and boom full braking force. It is the exactly opposite of an electric motor.
if you spin a lathe backwards or a drill backwards you are putting power back into the wall
i believe the prius has dynamo brakes. It is not new technology.

my parents have an '07 camry hybrid. it does have an engine brake feature by the shift selector (its pretty cool actually...) but it still has regular brake pads which i can see lasting for a very long time. i've also seen a new volvo concept car that has motors on each wheel, yet still uses brake pads. they obviously do not know how to create a failsafe feature. even conventional brakes need the motor to be on to work best. why not have a system that can work either with the engine running or off? it could also be a conspiracy... imagine all the laid off workers and profit loss if everyone had brakes that never wore out?

Well, in my books the electro magnets would be the most fail safe. because they could technically always be "on" you just need to flip a switch really... Edit: Unless the battery was dead i suppose... that would be an issue... ok i take it back this is the best way to do it:

OR
if you are referring to permanent magnets you still somehow have to move those magnets close to the disks (fins, what ever you're using)
I don't see why the existing technology to move the pads closer to the rotors can't be implemented on pushing extremely stronge permanent magnets towards the rotors, fins, arms, what have you.
ps. Sorry for my awkward working and grammar in my previous post... it was late

[jtanguay]

in response to jtanguay's video,
That braking system could be instantaneous...
you could use electro magnets. give them a charge at the blink of an eye and boom full braking force. It is the exactly opposite of an electric motor.
if you spin a lathe backwards or a drill backwards you are putting power back into the wall
i believe the prius has dynamo brakes. It is not new technology.

my parents have an '07 camry hybrid. it does have an engine brake feature by the shift selector (its pretty cool actually...) but it still has regular brake pads which i can see lasting for a very long time. i've also seen a new volvo concept car that has motors on each wheel, yet still uses brake pads. they obviously do not know how to create a failsafe feature. even conventional brakes need the motor to be on to work best. why not have a system that can work either with the engine running or off? it could also be a conspiracy... imagine all the laid off workers and profit loss if everyone had brakes that never wore out?

Well, in my books the electro magnets would be the most fail safe. because they could technically always be "on" you just need to flip a switch really... Edit: Unless the battery was dead i suppose... that would be an issue... ok i take it back this is the best way to do it:

OR
if you are referring to permanent magnets you still somehow have to move those magnets close to the disks (fins, what ever you're using)
I don't see why the existing technology to move the pads closer to the rotors can't be implemented on pushing extremely stronge permanent magnets towards the rotors, fins, arms, what have you.
ps. Sorry for my awkward working and grammar in my previous post... it was late

The permanent magnets allow power generation even if the battery dies . i was thinking of using the current braking system, but the calipers would need to be wider because of the magnetic force and drag. other ideas included using magnetic shielding which is a much better idea. those are very simple to implement, but i thought why not go all the way and get 4 wheel drive to boot? 

[8v-of-fury]

You guys are crazy!! that sounds like a pretty cool idea.

btw, thanks for totally jacking my thread. lmao

cool ideas Jon!

[macka]

You guys are crazy!! that sounds like a pretty cool idea.

btw, thanks for totally jacking my thread. lmao

cool ideas Jon!

Well Jer, you do jack an awful lot of threads

[8v-of-fury]

You guys are crazy!! that sounds like a pretty cool idea.

btw, thanks for totally jacking my thread. lmao

cool ideas Jon!

Well Jer, you do jack an awful lot of threads

is that being serious? lol I can't tell sarcasm in words lol. I don't jack that many

[745 turbogreasel]

I feel like a spoilsport, but...
Drilling and countersinking a regular rotor is EXACTLY how the make cross drilled rotors in China, no magic is involved.
If you really muck up the spacing, you might have to get your tires on-car balanced.

Service brakes are required to lock all 4 wheels on dry level pavement.  That takes a huge magnetic apparatus, much more than slowing a vehicle 50%.  Also, anything involving a PWM controller, and a switch is not reliable in the life or death braking scenario.  Some of the manufacturers are starting to experiment with drive by wire braking, and I guarantee in the next 50 years, somebody will die when the "fail safe" circuitry doesn't perform as advertised. 

[8v-of-fury]

I feel like a spoilsport, but...
Drilling and countersinking a regular rotor is EXACTLY how the make cross drilled rotors in China, no magic is involved.
If you really muck up the spacing, you might have to get your tires on-car balanced.

That's what I'm saying. If you space them all and remove an equal amount of material from each spot.. it should retain balance. If not who cares! they are bone cheap lol

I don't know how much i agree with anything-by-wire lol. Its scary to have a computer do it for you.. ill take my manual brakes any day thank-you lol.

[rabbitman]

Service brakes are required to lock all 4 wheels on dry level pavement.

What about cars with antilocks?

[745 turbogreasel]

They do lock the brakes, they just release them right away.

ABS systems also have mutiple failure modes that end in you braking little or not at all and ramming an obstacle at speed.
Sometimes they turn on a warning light first, but nowadays, many of the systems are old enough the run the light regardless, and the driver gets used to ignoring it.

[macka]

What about cars with antilocks?

what is this "antilock" you refer to?

[8v-of-fury]

i drove an astro van with intermittent ABS. light would come on and off sometimes.. light off ABS. Light on normal brakes. lol

it was quirky to drive.

[rabbitman]

What about cars with antilocks?

what is this "antilock" you refer to?

Hmmff.....don't know what I was thoinkin'